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    FL - Wheelchair-Bound Woman Dies After Being Tased

    A medical examiner found Delafield died from hypertensive heart disease and cited the Taser gun shock as a contributing factor, the report said. On her death certificate, the medical examiner ruled Delafield's death a homicide.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/wkmg/20070919/lo_wkmg/14147512

    Old women, pregnant women, and now a woman in a wheel-chair. I believe the mind set of policemen has changed over the years. When I was young, they did seem to be our friends and protectors. Now I wonder who's going to protect us from them.


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    this is a local story for me. http://www.news4jax.com/news/14144292/detail.html
    Officers said they arrived to find Delafield in a wheelchair, armed with two knives and a hammer. Police said the woman was swinging the weapons at family members and police.

    Within an hour of her call to 911, Delafield, a wheelchair-bound woman documented to have mental illness, was dead.

    Family attorney Rick Alexander said Delafield's death could have been prevented and that there are four things that jump out at him about the case.

    "One, she's in a wheelchair. Two, she's schizophrenic. Three, they're using a Taser on a person that's in a wheelchair, and then four is that they tasered her 10 times for a period of like two minutes," Alexander said.

    According to a police report, one of the officers used her Taser gun nine times for a total of 160 seconds and the other officer discharged his Taser gun once for a total of no more than five seconds.

    A medical examiner found Delafield died from hypertensive heart disease and cited the Taser gun shock as a contributing factor. On her death certificate, the medical examiner ruled Delafield's death a homicide.
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    GREEN COVE SPRINGS, FL -- Officers involved in tasing a 56-year-old wheelchair-bound woman have been cleared in the case, but the family of Emily Delafield says it is not done with its investigation.

    Delafield died about 90 minutes after being tased by Green Cove Springs Police Department officers in April 2006.

    Audio recordings of that fateful night have just been released.

    Delafield called police asking for help because she said her sister was trying to harm her.

    http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/n...?storyid=91565
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    JACKSONVILLE, FL -- Emily Delafield’s brother told investigators that his sister "finally had to be Tased to secure her well being..."

    According to a report by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, Delafield died just 90 minutes after she was Tased 10 times by two officers for more than two minutes.

    "Is this a normal thing for police officers in the City of Green Cove Springs to Tase obese women in wheelchairs?” asked nephew Ryan Delafield who has hired an attorney and plans to sue the department.

    Officers with Green Cove Springs Police told FDLE that they were forced to use their Tasers.

    According to the report, Officers arrived at Delafield’s, 56, home in April 2006 after she called police. When they arrived Delafield was threatening herself and her family with a knife and a hammer.


    http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...?storyid=79047
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    Quote Originally Posted by AfterMidnight View Post
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/wkmg/20070919/lo_wkmg/14147512

    Old women, pregnant women, and now a woman in a wheel-chair. I believe the mind set of policemen has changed over the years. When I was young, they did seem to be our friends and protectors. Now I wonder who's going to protect us from them.
    the first story left out important details. maybe the reporter felt they are not important, maybe they wanted to slant the story, or maybe they are just incompetent.

    the woman suffered from several medical problem. she was schizophrenic and armed with knives and a hammer. she had not taken her medication and was threatening to kill herself. the family and police talked about the best way to disarm her. police feared if the tried to take the knife from her by force she would follow through with her threat to stab herself. if the police used pepper spay they feared it's affect on her due to her repertory problems. maybe they could have taken the knives before she killed herself and maybe the pepper spray would not have killed her but they had no way of knowing that and had to act in hopes of stopping her from killing herself. i do not always agree when police use a tazer but in this case they had to act quickly before the woman acted. a wheel chair would not have stopped her from stabbing herself. the officers tried to save her not kill her.


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    This is utterly disgusting. Period.


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    This is utterly disgusting. Period.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sherri79 View Post
    the first story left out important details. maybe the reporter felt they are not important, maybe they wanted to slant the story, or maybe they are just incompetent.

    the woman suffered from several medical problem. she was schizophrenic and armed with knives and a hammer. she had not taken her medication and was threatening to kill herself. the family and police talked about the best way to disarm her. police feared if the tried to take the knife from her by force she would follow through with her threat to stab herself. if the police used pepper spay they feared it's affect on her due to her repertory problems. maybe they could have taken the knives before she killed herself and maybe the pepper spray would not have killed her but they had no way of knowing that and had to act in hopes of stopping her from killing herself. i do not always agree when police use a tazer but in this case they had to act quickly before the woman acted. a wheel chair would not have stopped her from stabbing herself. the officers tried to save her not kill her.
    I think it's crystal clear who the incompetent parties are in this story...the ones wearing the badges!


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    Quote Originally Posted by eleven View Post
    I think it's crystal clear who the incompetent parties are in this story...the ones wearing the badges!
    you have a advantage. you have medical reports. place yourself in the position the police faced that night. a schizophrenic woman is off her medication and her voices tell her to kill herself. you have minutes to act as she threatens herself and anyone who tries to get closer. what do you do?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sherri79 View Post
    the first story left out important details. maybe the reporter felt they are not important, maybe they wanted to slant the story, or maybe they are just incompetent.

    the woman suffered from several medical problem. she was schizophrenic and armed with knives and a hammer. she had not taken her medication and was threatening to kill herself. the family and police talked about the best way to disarm her. police feared if the tried to take the knife from her by force she would follow through with her threat to stab herself. if the police used pepper spay they feared it's affect on her due to her repertory problems. maybe they could have taken the knives before she killed herself and maybe the pepper spray would not have killed her but they had no way of knowing that and had to act in hopes of stopping her from killing herself. i do not always agree when police use a tazer but in this case they had to act quickly before the woman acted. a wheel chair would not have stopped her from stabbing herself. the officers tried to save her not kill her.
    It seems to me that if police can be trained to negotiate with hostage takers, perhaps they can be trained to use their mouths to calm down situations like this. Tasers are beginning to be the crutch every officer falls back on, instead of his wits, regardless of how appropriate or inappropriate it is.

    The bottom line here is that the woman was mentally ill. If the officers at the scene were too stupid to defuse the situation verbally, could they maybe have called her doctor? Called a hostage negotiator? Tased her once instead of ten times? Maybe tased her for a period of time shorter than TWO MINUTES AND FORTY-FIVE SECONDS?

    My personal opinion is that the officer who used her taser nine times, inflicting shock upon this mentally ill woman for two minutes and forty seconds should be brought up on charges. She should at least lose her job, because she shows very, very poor judgement. I'd hate to have to count on her to help me, wouldn't you?


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    I started to by on the side of the law on this one. I mean, someone coming after you with a weapon? Normally they draw guns. But since this person was in a wheelchair, it's good that they were able to use tazers to immobilize her.

    BUT! Tazing her 10 times??? Why didn't they just use a defribulator at that point??? This case should be used that tazers are not always the best deterrent to immobilize someone nor a proper alternative.


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    I started to by on the side of the law on this one. I mean, someone coming after you with a weapon? Normally they draw guns. But since this person was in a wheelchair, it's good that they were able to use tazers to immobilize her.
    You meant to kill her, didn't you? My God, what is our society coming to when people believe it's OK, good even, to taser a woman in a wheel chair?


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    Quote Originally Posted by AfterMidnight View Post
    You meant to kill her, didn't you? My God, what is our society coming to when people believe it's OK, good even, to taser a woman in a wheel chair?

    If this woman had been off her meds for days then I doubt that anyone could have talked her down. Remember that her mind isn't working right. She is hearing other people talking to her...voices coming from inside her head and outside her head. She doesn't know that the voices in her head aren't real. It doesn't sound like anyone could get near her without her swinging a knife and a hammer. I would imagine that she thought that everyone there was trying to kill her. From what I understood it took 10 taser times before she stopped swinging. Sounds like she was a pretty strong lady. Even a relative..her brother (?) said that the police did what they had to do to get her to stop. It is the nephew or cousin that is raising heck and saying that the police are at fault. I personally don't think that he will win a civil suit when the other relative was there too and says the taser was needed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sherri79 View Post
    you have a advantage. you have medical reports. place yourself in the position the police faced that night. a schizophrenic woman is off her medication and her voices tell her to kill herself. you have minutes to act as she threatens herself and anyone who tries to get closer. what do you do?
    You and Bobbisangel are right. She was a danger to herself and others and the police did what they had to do. Expecting the officers to "verbally" diffuse the situation isn't feasible. The woman was not on meds, hearing voices and expects everyone around her of trying to harm/kill her... verbally just wouldn't cut it.I'm sorry for the woman and her family, but I cannot fault the police for trying to protect her, her family and themselves.

    “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sr.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicRose99 View Post
    You and Bobbisangel are right. She was a danger to herself and others and the police did what they had to do. Expecting the officers to "verbally" diffuse the situation isn't feasible. The woman was not on meds, hearing voices and expects everyone around her of trying to harm/kill her... verbally just wouldn't cut it.I'm sorry for the woman and her family, but I cannot fault the police for trying to protect her, her family and themselves.

    Well, how do they do it in hospitals? In residential treatment centers for the mentally ill? Believe me, every emergency room in the nation has had a schizophrenic or two off their meds come through, some even swinging a weapon or two. But I don't recall hearing of the patient being attacked and killed by the hospital staff, do you?

    They "verbally" defuse the situation. Then they get the patient into a straightjacket. How, you may ask, are they able to do this? They are forced to use their brains, because they do not have a taser strapped to their thighs. They act in the best interest of the patient, letting time play out if necessary. They see the patient as a SICK PERSON NEEDING HELP not as a criminal who needs to be punished.

    I would imagine that even the designer of the taser would say that two minutes and forty-five seconds of continual shock to the "criminal" is excessive and should be understood to cause death.


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