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    Parents Fake Religion to Avoid Vaccines

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...r=HOME_3379334

    Religious Or Not, Growing Numbers Say They Are To Get Out Of Vaccinating Their Kids
    BOSTON, Oct. 17, 2007

    (AP) Sabrina Rahim doesn't practice any particular faith, but she had no problem signing a letter declaring that because of her deeply held religious beliefs, her 4-year-old son should be exempt from the vaccinations required to enter preschool.

    She is among a small but growing number of parents around the country who are claiming religious exemptions to avoid vaccinating their children when the real reason may be skepticism of the shots or concern they can cause other illnesses. Some of these parents say they are being forced to lie because of the way the vaccination laws are written in their states.

    “It's misleading,” Rahim admitted, but she said she fears that earlier vaccinations may be to blame for her son's autism. “I find it very troubling, but for my son's safety, I feel this is the only option we have.”

    An Associated Press examination of states' vaccination records and data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that many states are seeing increases in the rate of religious exemptions claimed for kindergartners.

    “Do I think that religious exemptions have become the default? Absolutely,” said Dr. Paul Offit, head of infectious diseases at Children's Hospital in Philadelphia and one of the harshest critics of the anti-vaccine movement. He said the resistance to vaccines is “an irrational, fear-based decision.”

    The number of exemptions is extremely small in percentage terms and represents just a few thousand of the 3.7 million children entering kindergarten in 2005, the most recent figure available.

    But public health officials say it takes only a few people to cause an outbreak that can put large numbers of lives at risk.

    “When you choose not to get a vaccine, you're not just making a choice for yourself, you're making a choice for the person sitting next to you,” said Dr. Lance Rodewald, director of the CDC's Immunization Services Division.

    All states have some requirement that youngsters be immunized against such childhood diseases as measles, mumps, chickenpox, diphtheria and whooping cough.

    Twenty-eight states, including Florida, Massachusetts and New York, allow parents to opt out for medical or religious reasons only. Twenty other states, among them California, Pennsylvania, Texas and Ohio, also allow parents to cite personal or philosophical reasons. Mississippi and West Virginia allow exemptions for medical reasons only.

    From 2003 to 2007, religious exemptions for kindergartners increased, in some cases doubled or tripled, in 20 of the 28 states that allow only medical or religious exemptions, the AP found. Religious exemptions decreased in three of these states - Nebraska, Wyoming, South Carolina - and were unchanged in five others.

    The rate of exemption requests is also increasing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taximom View Post
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...r=HOME_3379334

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    “When you choose not to get a vaccine, you're not just making a choice for yourself, you're making a choice for the person sitting next to you,” said Dr. Lance Rodewald, director of the CDC's Immunization Services Division.<snipped>
    If "the person sitting next to you" is vaccinated, how are you making a choice for them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by accordn2me View Post
    If "the person sitting next to you" is vaccinated, how are you making a choice for them?
    Well if there is a resurgence of childhood diseases due to non vaccination, what happens to the baby or toddler that is exposed to something they haven't been vaccinated for yet?
    Some vaccines do not provide lifelong immunity. that is why we are seeing an outbreak of measles and mumps on some of our college campuses. One of the reasons their is a resurgence of m&m is failure of some to vaccinate.What about the seniors whose immune systems are weak?

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    I don't understand why she has to lie???

    I feel the same way about vaccinations and have a medical override so that Richie could go to school without further vaccinations.

    Every pediatrician I have had since he was 4 has agreed with me.
    Not one has ever even tried to talk me into further vaccinating him.
    One pediatrician even ran a series of tests testing our youngest for titer levels before giving him vaccines.

    The bottom line is that no one KNOWS what causes autism so vaccines cannot be ruled out..
    Since Richie is already autistic and his loss of skills coincide with his receiving vaccines (granted it could have happened anyways but there is no way to know) his Dr's have always agreed that to further vaccinate him could potentially make it worse.

    I don't understand why these parents need to lie... Although I would do the same thing if I needed to.

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    I am going to add something here after reading that article....

    It is illegal for the schools to ask what religion you are. You can site that it is against your religion to vaccinate and they cannot legally ask you ...
    If they do you do not have to tell them.

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    We've had reoccurence of whooping cough around here.

    I think it's a shame if innocent children get sick, and possibly die, because their parents have listened to "hocus pocus", still not justified by research; or just plain neglect to get the shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by accordn2me View Post
    If "the person sitting next to you" is vaccinated, how are you making a choice for them?
    In my case the MMR did not "take." I ended up with measles and the mumps which I caught from non-vaccinated students. My "adult" doctor finally figured out my pediatrician vaccinated me too early for it to "take." I was re-vaccinated at that time. The non-vaccinated students were not vaccinated for "religious" reasons, but there parents weren't religious, just aging hippies convinced "the man" was trying to control their children and wouldn't allow it. (IIRC, one of the non-vaccinated kids ended up with brain damage from a high fever during the measles.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marthatex View Post
    We've had reoccurence of whooping cough around here.

    I think it's a shame if innocent children get sick, and possibly die, because their parents have listened to "hocus pocus", still not justified by research; or just plain neglect to get the shots.
    Its NOT hocus pocus.

    When someone can prove to me that my son is not autistic due to vaccines I will rally like hell to ensure everyone has them.
    I have talked to renowned Dr's in their field and even they cannot claim vaccines are totally safe.
    The facts are that people do sometimes have reactions ... and until someone can figure out how to avoid that there will be a problem.
    Did you know that there is a fund to pay people who have a reaction to vaccines? In my mind that is the government admitting a problem.
    I suppose we can all sit back and say "its only one in 10K that have a reaction"
    Guess how much your life sucks if your that one?

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    My opinion

    Well I understand the autism factor, but my dd has Cystic Fibrosis and an immune deficiency. When I find out that there are children not vaccinated around her it turns me into a nervous wreck. She was in the hospital a few weeks ago with whooping cough. There are vaccinations against that, but somewhere, someone decided they didn't want their kid to have it and they are seeing an outbreak of it. There are different vaccination's she has to get because of the "whole live virus thing" but at times I want to wrap her in bubble wrap every time we go out. I just think all kids should be vaccinated. If not to protect themselves, but to help protect my daughter.

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    No one knows what causes autism, so why aren't beets being blamed? Maybe it's schoolyard asphalt? Maybe it's sidewalks?

    Unvaccinated kids get autism too, just as much. But unvaccinated kids also catch these deadly diseases, then carry them around to all the vaccinated kids, getting some of them sick (vaccines reduce the risk, they don't eliminate it). I don't want to have to have my daughter sitting next to an unvaccinated child, exposed to the diseases that killed so many children in my grandmother's day.

    Unless you homeschool, and isolate yourself entirely, choosing not to vaccinate is not only your choice, your child's risk. It's my child's health you risk as well.



    Talk to doctors in the field, and ask them if Asprin is completely safe. They'll say No. Ask them if water is completely safe - they'll say no. Nothing is completely safe. In science, "never", "always", "completely" are pretty much excluded from the vocabulary. No reputable scientist will ever say it's impossible there's a link between Autism and anything at all, because that's not something that can be said scientifically. But they can and have said that there does not appear to be any link, the largest studies comparing autism in vaccinated versus unvaccinated does not show any statistical link.


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    Females who are vaccinated are unable to pass the antibodies to their children. In the past a woman's body would produce antibodies after becoming ill, and she would eventually pass those on to her newborn. Those antibodies would then help protect the child until they were old enough to deal with the illness on their own. Vaccinations work differently because your body is not producing the antibody on its own its not passed on leaving the very young unprotected.

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    I would have used that reason if I had to. My oldest daughter had a BAD reaction to one of her vaccines. It's been over 20 years... but I think it was the P in the DPT one?

    She got so sick, I thought she was going to die. I refused to let them ever give it to her again. Had to fight tooth and nail, but she never had it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spazkat9696 View Post
    Females who are vaccinated are unable to pass the antibodies to their children. In the past a woman's body would produce antibodies after becoming ill, and she would eventually pass those on to her newborn. Those antibodies would then help protect the child until they were old enough to deal with the illness on their own. Vaccinations work differently because your body is not producing the antibody on its own its not passed on leaving the very young unprotected.
    In the past huge numbers of children died from these diseases. Many others were horribly disfigured or injured.

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    when i became pregnant the first time test showed the mmr shot did not last on me. i spent the whole time scared i would run into one of these children. my doctor game me the shot before i left the hospital. these kids are pretty safe because most parents have their child taken care of. a rare child not given the shot is not a large risk to the public. as more children grow up with out the shots the risk grows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Details View Post
    No one knows what causes autism, so why aren't beets being blamed? Maybe it's schoolyard asphalt? Maybe it's sidewalks?

    Unvaccinated kids get autism too, just as much. But unvaccinated kids also catch these deadly diseases, then carry them around to all the vaccinated kids, getting some of them sick (vaccines reduce the risk, they don't eliminate it). I don't want to have to have my daughter sitting next to an unvaccinated child, exposed to the diseases that killed so many children in my grandmother's day.

    Unless you homeschool, and isolate yourself entirely, choosing not to vaccinate is not only your choice, your child's risk. It's my child's health you risk as well.


    Talk to doctors in the field, and ask them if Asprin is completely safe. They'll say No. Ask them if water is completely safe - they'll say no. Nothing is completely safe. In science, "never", "always", "completely" are pretty much excluded from the vocabulary. No reputable scientist will ever say it's impossible there's a link between Autism and anything at all, because that's not something that can be said scientifically. But they can and have said that there does not appear to be any link, the largest studies comparing autism in vaccinated versus unvaccinated does not show any statistical link.
    UMMM who are these unvaccinated kids?? They receive vaccines at 2 days old...
    For the record Richie is home schooled.
    And our dr's did not just simply agree to not say "OH he will be safe 100%"
    They STATED point blank that vaccines could further harm him.
    I am not even talking about pediatricians who know each other... I mean over 13 years and several different specialist and peds.

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