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    Quote Originally Posted by panthera View Post
    You're right ~ I can see it if the person being questioned is totally intimidated by LE or is mentally impaired. Despite her age though, AK isn't uneducated and doesn't seem to fit into either category. And by implicating Patrick it seems more like she wanted revenge. Just MOO
    It is unfortunate that the only two cases I can recall off-hand involve a minor and a border-line retarded person.

    Of course youth and mental impairment are significant factors in false confessions. According to the Innocence Project...

    http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/351.php


    ...35% of the false confessions they've proven involved minors under the age of 18. But that leaves the other 65% and I doubt those confessors were all retarded.

    AK was 20 at the time, in a foreign country and far from her family and her native legal system. These factors don't prove her stories were coerced, but they should give us pause.


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    Quote Originally Posted by panthera View Post
    You're right ~ I can see it if the person being questioned is totally intimidated by LE or is mentally impaired. Despite her age though, AK isn't uneducated and doesn't seem to fit into either category. And by implicating Patrick it seems more like she wanted revenge. Just MOO
    Perhaps, if she offered PL's name out of the blue. But the program I saw claimed the police suggested it first. Of course, there's no tape...

    Personally, I think the law should require all police interrogations be taped. Not because I think police are corrupt as a rule, but because the process itself is highly unusual.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    Perhaps, if she offered PL's name out of the blue. But the program I saw claimed the police suggested it first. Of course, there's no tape...

    Personally, I think the law should require all police interrogations be taped. Not because I think police are corrupt as a rule, but because the process itself is highly unusual.
    I definitely agree with you on this ~ interrogations should be recorded and preferably on videotape. That would end any speculation in a lot of cases. Also I understand AK wasn't fluent in Italian when she arrived in the country so I am curious in what languages was the interrogation handled, or was an English interpreter present? MOO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabella View Post
    Ok i want to put a question to you now. I am English. I am using Neil Entwhistle as an example cause hes the only Brit i can think of in prison there at the moment. But after his trial how would you like it if the Brits said after the trial he only got found guilty because they hate us over there? Or that we thought the cops framed him? Or that we thought he had no chance of a fair trial? Or hey America isnt England so it cant be a fair trial?

    I want to stress i have every confidence in the American courts and that i thought he was guilty but im just using that as an example.

    I just think the crap the Italians are getting for daring to find Amanda guilty is crazy. And you know something..the local people..for which her co-accused was one...actually CHEERED the verdict and prosecutors. There not standing there making excuses at all. It's funny how it goes.

    Oh and as for would it be viewed differently if it was in the middle East sure. She probably would have ended up the same way as Meredith as a sentence. Dead!
    Quote Originally Posted by Isabella View Post
    In your opinion maybe but...there was nothing wrong with the interrogation. She kept changing her story and lieing..so of course the questioning took time. I dont see the police questioning being any different to it is in America England or any other country.

    As for it showing bias..did it show bias against her boyfriend..a ITALIAN??

    And im sorry but there was more than enough evidence to convince me that in Amanda Knox they had a lieing evil manipulative woman.
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    As you stated in the previous post “she probably would have ended up the same way as Meredith as a sentence. Dead! “ Just curious; which is it?

    A lying evil manipulative woman does not equal murderer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyL View Post
    love your post!

    the 'trouble' she got in was one incident just prior to moving to Italy - it involved a 'going away' party that got way out of hand - people were throwing things and being loud & disruptive

    apparently, she was the only one charged b/c she hosted the party and perhaps wasn't very helpful to the police when they arrived?

    IMO it was a bunch of drunken morons acting like college kids do - it has happened here so much that LE was forced to put together a specific 'task force' to take care of the partiers

    that is the only incident of her 'being in trouble' with the law and I for one, don't think it points to being 'familiar' with that lifestyle or 'used to dealing with LE' or whatever is being run through the rumour mill

    this is the kind of hysteria that makes me nervous - that she was some kind of unchecked monster prior to the brutal death of Meredith and that Amanda's parents must be horrible people for raising such a monster

    I think too many assumptions are being made and not enough questions are being asked (here at WS and in general)

    I have no problem concluding that a pretty white American female is a monster (we've seen plenty of those) and being Canadian - we have our very own disgusting representation of that 'archtype' in the form of one Karla Homolka

    so I'm not in denial about the possibility of it all - I'm just in doubt about the process and supposed 'evidence'

    p.s. this ended up as a diatribe and not at all directed at you (just bounced off your post)

    Not to worry. I quite regularly start off responding to a specific post and then continue my train of thought or feel I have to explain more fully to future readers. In the end, I sound like I'm lecturing a poster who obviously already knows what I'm saying.

    Thanks for the info on the prior incident. It hardly makes her an experienced criminal accustomed to fending off police interrogators.

    And I agree with the rest of your post. I don't know that AK is innocent, certainly, but it's quite a wild tale and I'd like to see some hardcore evidence that these three who knew each other so briefly suddenly decided to join forces in such a heinous way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    Perhaps, if she offered PL's name out of the blue. But the program I saw claimed the police suggested it first. Of course, there's no tape...

    Personally, I think the law should require all police interrogations be taped. Not because I think police are corrupt as a rule, but because the process itself is highly unusual.

    there is so much i would like to know about the interrogation. was there an interpreter there? did they translate everything properly? how good was her italian back then? i know she signed a confession, but could she read italian? i vaguely remember an interview with her mother and i think she said that AK couldnt read what was in the confession (i might be wrong)


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    Quote Originally Posted by panthera View Post
    I definitely agree with you on this ~ interrogations should be recorded and preferably on videotape. That would end any speculation in a lot of cases. Also I understand AK wasn't fluent in Italian when she arrived in the country so I am curious in what languages was the interrogation handled, or was an English interpreter present? MOO
    Thanks so much for asking that. I've been wondering, but thought perhaps I shouldn't ask too many basic questions on the first day.

    Working in a second language might well increase a subject's feeling of helplessness and isolation. But even if the police were speaking English or there was a translator, communication problems would have been inevitable to some extent. (I'm not claiming AK didn't make false charges; she herself admits she did.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by arielilane View Post
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    As you stated in the previous post “she probably would have ended up the same way as Meredith as a sentence. Dead! “ Just curious; which is it?

    A lying evil manipulative woman does not equal murderer.
    Isabella hasn't appointed me her spokesperson, but I think she was saying the process of interrogation is much the same, but the end result would have been different because the U.S. has the death penalty. (Isabella is in England and may not realize that 20-year-old white women don't usually get the d.p. in this country.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    Thanks so much for asking that. I've been wondering, but thought perhaps I shouldn't ask too many basic questions on the first day.

    Working in a second language might well increase a subject's feeling of helplessness and isolation. But even if the police were speaking English or there was a translator, communication problems would have been inevitable to some extent. (I'm not claiming AK didn't make false charges; she herself admits she did.)
    You're welcome It's just something I've been wondering, but in the end, it really wouldn't have much to do with her falsely naming Patrick, as she herself admitted it was untrue. I'm more curious what led to her doing it ~ something preplanned to get suspicion off herself or the pressure of interrogation and following along with what she thought LE wanted to hear. I'm still inclined to think it was self-preservation on her part. MOO
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    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6943604.ece

    Article about AK's clothes. Has 3 different pictures, one of the All You Need is Love shirt.
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    As with the American system, the Italian jury will be asked to find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt this week. Their verdict is not supposed to be about medieval superstitions, sexual projections, Satan fantasies or the honor of a prosecution team. If they simply apply the standard that the law calls for, the verdict will be obvious.

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...nox-revisited/

    good article


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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzieCat View Post
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6943604.ece

    Article about AK's clothes. Has 3 different pictures, one of the All You Need is Love shirt.
    thanks; there's also a slideshow there with 17 or 18 pictures ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyL View Post
    As with the American system, the Italian jury will be asked to find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt this week. Their verdict is not supposed to be about medieval superstitions, sexual projections, Satan fantasies or the honor of a prosecution team. If they simply apply the standard that the law calls for, the verdict will be obvious.

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...nox-revisited/

    good article
    JMO, but that article focuses on all the things that make her sound innocent. He leaves out all of the evidence that could lead people to believe she's guilty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by panthera View Post
    You're welcome It's just something I've been wondering, but in the end, it really wouldn't have much to do with her falsely naming Patrick, as she herself admitted it was untrue. I'm more curious what led to her doing it ~ something preplanned to get suspicion off herself or the pressure of interrogation and following along with what she thought LE wanted to hear. I'm still inclined to think it was self-preservation on her part. MOO
    it's really interesting to me that none of the defendants 'turned' on each other

    I think her blaming an innocent man may have been her telling a story of what might have happened after so much pressure to give them something, anything ...

    I don't think police should be allowed to ask suspects to speculate or imagine ... or in fact interrogate for so long w/o a lawyer present

    why didn't she invoke right away? do they have that option there?

    the other thing that worries me is all the talk about a drug-haze - she supposedly said they smoked some pot (I've read hash too) - pot or hash does not (in my experience) debilitate one to the extent that has been publicized, so was the pot/hash spiked? were there other drugs in her system (either voluntarily or not) that impacted her judgment and memory?

    Idk - I'm just really bothered by this case & I honestly don't know what to believe (but I'm troubled by the supposed 'unclean hands' of the prosecutor)

    p.s. I haven't done drugs in many, many moons


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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyL View Post
    it's really interesting to me that none of the defendants 'turned' on each other

    I think her blaming an innocent man may have been her telling a story of what might have happened after so much pressure to give them something, anything ...

    I don't think police should be allowed to ask suspects to speculate or imagine ... or in fact interrogate for so long w/o a lawyer present

    why didn't she invoke right away? do they have that option there?

    the other thing that worries me is all the talk about a drug-haze - she supposedly said they smoked some pot (I've read hash too) - pot or hash does not (in my experience) debilitate one to the extent that has been publicized, so was the pot/hash spiked? were there other drugs in her system (either voluntarily or not) that impacted her judgment and memory?

    Idk - I'm just really bothered by this case & I honestly don't know what to believe (but I'm troubled by the supposed 'unclean hands' of the prosecutor)

    p.s. I haven't done drugs in many, many moons
    I smoked a lot of pot back in the day and it never made me want to kill anybody. In fact it made me sit on the couch watching TV and eating munchies like a slug.

    Too often that is used as an excuse by idiots who are trying to explain their actions. If you wouldn't do it sober you won't do it on pot.


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