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    Kathleen Savio's Death #1

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    Okay so now that we have this whole forum, I'm going to ask and hopefully you'll all forgive me if it's been asked and answered before: I've read the coroner's report but don't quite understand it, is there really enough evidence in there to support a drowning? What about all the other things that were listed, like marks on ankles etc.?

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    I may have found a partial answer to the question about the blanching.
    It is about halfway down this page, under the heading livor mortis.

    "(postmortem lividity) is a reddish, purplish-blue discoloration of the skin due to settling of blood, by gravity, in the vessels of the dependent areas of the body. In dependant areas pressed against a hard surface, the vessels are mechanically compressed by the pressure and blood cannot settle in them. This gives these areas a pale coloration"

    "Livor mortis usually becomes apparent within a half hour of death. In individuals dying of cardiac failure, livor mortis may actually begin to develop prior to death."

    http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Nebu...deathtime.html
    So if this site is correct, someone/something was putting pressure on those areas during the time that lividity was being established.

    There is a period of time after death that livor can shift if the body position is moved.
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew View Post
    I may have found a partial answer to the question about the blanching.
    It is about halfway down this page, under the heading livor mortis.

    So if this site is correct, someone/something was putting pressure on those areas during the time that lividity was being established.

    There is a period of time after death that livor can shift if the body position is moved.
    Was she found sitting up? I can't remember. I wondered earlier if she hadn't been laying on her left side at one point. If she indeed had hand or fingerprints on her upper body, it could have been her own hand squished under her body. Not sure how that explains markings on her legs though. I wish we had a drawing like we did for Michelle Young. (Although it was sad to see at first.)

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    I believe the autopsy said the lividity was found on the anterior (front) of her body. Which would indicate that she was face down.

    The part that has me puzzled is the way the coroner worded it as "fingerprint" blanching.

    medial= pertaining to the middle
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


    "Just when the caterpillar thought its world was over, it became a butterfly" ~ Michelle Knight

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    Is Drew right-handed? He would inflict injuries mostly to her left side if he is right-handed.

    Injuries on her arms and hands could be defensive wounds.

    Dorsum medically means back or posterior side (her finger).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheko1 View Post
    I thought from the autopsy report that the purple contusions in her mid shins would probably be consistent with a strong hit for the baton. I could be wrong .........

    You are probably right. I was thinking of the fingerprint blanching left on her body in different areas. I have to go back and look where those were now! lol My pc is SO slow...argh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew View Post
    I believe the autopsy said the lividity was found on the anterior (front) of her body. Which would indicate that she was face down.

    The part that has me puzzled is the way the coroner worded it as "fingerprint" blanching.

    medial= pertaining to the middle
    Taking what mysteriew posted: "So if this site is correct, someone/something was putting pressure on those areas during the time that lividity was being established," I took it to mean that pale finger marks (prints) were made on her body soon after she died. In other words, someone picked her up and moved her.


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    Quote Originally Posted by STEADFAST View Post
    Taking what mysteriew posted: "So if this site is correct, someone/something was putting pressure on those areas during the time that lividity was being established," I took it to mean that pale finger marks (prints) were made on her body soon after she died. In other words, someone picked her up and moved her.
    And after a period of time after death (the time period varies) lividity becomes fixed and won't move even if position is changed. So it doesn't sound like something they did when they moved her to the body bag.
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew View Post
    And after a period of time after death (the time period varies) lividity becomes fixed and won't move even if position is changed. So it doesn't sound like something they did when they moved her to the body bag.
    Right. So, gee, I wonder who could have left fingerprint blanching on her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by STEADFAST View Post
    Right. So, gee, I wonder who could have left fingerprint blanching on her?
    I think it means that the fingers while she was alive were pressed hard against something. -OR- it might mean that the fingers were wrinkled, like what happens when you have your hands in water for awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STEADFAST View Post
    Right. So, gee, I wonder who could have left fingerprint blanching on her?
    Hmmmmm....

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