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    Quote Originally Posted by McSpy View Post
    Maybe he stopped to help a disabled motorist and that person was bad?

    Maybe his plate number should be publicized. Someone could have seen it on a wall or in someone's garage.

    I'm just throwing out possibilities . . .
    Good idea

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    His poor family!

    I searched for Randy Griffith as well as Randall Griffith on the doenetwork but only Robert's case appears.

    The same thing occurs when I googled it.

    Where did ya'll see that Randy was missing? To me, that came way out of left field!

    If Randy did disappear...depending upon the length of time between the two...the cases should be looked at together.

    Anyhow in regards to Robert....
    Landmarks that have been noted:
    Madison: where he was last seen with his family
    Baraboo: City/town he traveled to that night in order to meet his friend Randy, whose family obviously lived there.

    Baraboo Bluffs: large forest area where Robert and Randy planned to hunt the following morning.

    Likely route taken by Robert to meet Randy:
    Madison Beltline Highway, headed west to Highway 12 and took it north to the Baraboo area.

    Durward's Glen retreat site: location where a lady encountered a car in her friend's driveway that matched the description of the Hornet and had the same license plate. The young male driver of the car matched Robert's description and told the woman something like "I'm looking for my friend. I'm supposed to meet my friend." The young man said he must be at the wrong place and then drove away to the east, away from the relay tower.

    From Durward's Glen Retreat - going east away from the tower-- the direction she saw him drive to

    State Patrol relay antenna on Tower Road southeast of the city: location where Robert's car was found WITH THE $25 in the glovebox

    just south of the Badger Army Ammunition Plant and north of Prairie du Sac: Location of where the old tires were discovered

    Sorry I am a visual person and I had to clarify each location.

    Questions on my mind:
    Where exactly was Randy's home?
    How far away is it from Durwards Glen Road?

    Also, I would be very interested to know if they collected any fingerprints from the car (sans tires etc), items in the car or on the old tires.

    And if they did collect this evidence, do they still have it?

    I mean, what happened to the car? I know that if it were my car and that it could hold the keys to finding a missing family member of mine...I'd keep that sucker for life.

    falling asleep will re-post tomorrow if I re-read and it doesnt make sense

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    She was last seen at the home/office of a doctor for whom she worked after school...only 1/2 mi down the road from her home.
    That home was not searched until 4/29/2012 - but investigators forgot to submit the evidence to the crime lab.

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    I think it's safe to say that the post regarding Randy missing was a mistake. Doing a search, I found a Randy Griffith in Baraboo who was born in 1957. Not sure if this is the same guy, but the age would be about right (2 yrs older than Bob).

    Since Bob knew the area well (family from there and had been there often), it does seem like either he was disoriented or perhaps he was supposed to meet an unknown person at a new location (as others have posted).

    My recollection from the time is that he was going to stop by and check his tree stand and then go pick up his "cousin". As I think about it now, it seems odd that he would stop at the tree stand first. Why not just get his friend? Unless, he was dropping off stuff and they were going to hunt in the morning.

    Someone asked if his sister who was murdered was involved with the motorcycle gang when Bob disappeared. I don't know, but she would have been 16 yrs old at that time, so I doubt it.

    I haven't been in contact with any of his family for a long time. I did find his sister on facebook, though. I'm trying to decide if I should contact her about this. I don't want to upset her if she doesn't want to delve back into this.

    Thanks everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosesfromangels View Post
    So we need some more info on Randy. It's sounding more and more like he is the center of this case and his innocent friend (bob), got caught in the middle. Remember that bob was in a strange driveway looking for his friend....a friend who was in trouble apparently. We need background info on randy griffith. Bob,s neighbor.....what do you remember about randy?
    I never met Randy. Bob and I lived in Madison. Randy lived in Baraboo, which is approx 30 minutes away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernSummer View Post
    His poor family!

    I searched for Randy Griffith as well as Randall Griffith on the doenetwork but only Robert's case appears.

    The same thing occurs when I googled it.

    Where did ya'll see that Randy was missing? To me, that came way out of left field!

    If Randy did disappear...depending upon the length of time between the two...the cases should be looked at together.

    Anyhow in regards to Robert....
    Landmarks that have been noted:
    Madison: where he was last seen with his family
    Baraboo: City/town he traveled to that night in order to meet his friend Randy, whose family obviously lived there.

    Baraboo Bluffs: large forest area where Robert and Randy planned to hunt the following morning.

    Likely route taken by Robert to meet Randy:
    Madison Beltline Highway, headed west to Highway 12 and took it north to the Baraboo area.

    Durward's Glen retreat site: location where a lady encountered a car in her friend's driveway that matched the description of the Hornet and had the same license plate. The young male driver of the car matched Robert's description and told the woman something like "I'm looking for my friend. I'm supposed to meet my friend." The young man said he must be at the wrong place and then drove away to the east, away from the relay tower.

    From Durward's Glen Retreat - going east away from the tower-- the direction she saw him drive to

    State Patrol relay antenna on Tower Road southeast of the city: location where Robert's car was found WITH THE $25 in the glovebox

    just south of the Badger Army Ammunition Plant and north of Prairie du Sac: Location of where the old tires were discovered

    Sorry I am a visual person and I had to clarify each location.

    Questions on my mind:
    Where exactly was Randy's home?
    How far away is it from Durwards Glen Road?

    Also, I would be very interested to know if they collected any fingerprints from the car (sans tires etc), items in the car or on the old tires.

    And if they did collect this evidence, do they still have it?

    I mean, what happened to the car? I know that if it were my car and that it could hold the keys to finding a missing family member of mine...I'd keep that sucker for life.

    falling asleep will re-post tomorrow if I re-read and it doesnt make sense
    Good post. I also would like to know if they found the keys to the car and if his other personal items (clothes, hunting gear, etc.) were found in the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernSummer View Post
    His poor family!

    I searched for Randy Griffith as well as Randall Griffith on the doenetwork but only Robert's case appears.

    The same thing occurs when I googled it.

    Where did ya'll see that Randy was missing? To me, that came way out of left field!

    If Randy did disappear...depending upon the length of time between the two...the cases should be looked at together.

    Anyhow in regards to Robert....
    Landmarks that have been noted:
    Madison: where he was last seen with his family
    Baraboo: City/town he traveled to that night in order to meet his friend Randy, whose family obviously lived there.

    Baraboo Bluffs: large forest area where Robert and Randy planned to hunt the following morning.

    Likely route taken by Robert to meet Randy:
    Madison Beltline Highway, headed west to Highway 12 and took it north to the Baraboo area.

    Durward's Glen retreat site: location where a lady encountered a car in her friend's driveway that matched the description of the Hornet and had the same license plate. The young male driver of the car matched Robert's description and told the woman something like "I'm looking for my friend. I'm supposed to meet my friend." The young man said he must be at the wrong place and then drove away to the east, away from the relay tower.

    From Durward's Glen Retreat - going east away from the tower-- the direction she saw him drive to

    State Patrol relay antenna on Tower Road southeast of the city: location where Robert's car was found WITH THE $25 in the glovebox

    just south of the Badger Army Ammunition Plant and north of Prairie du Sac: Location of where the old tires were discovered

    Sorry I am a visual person and I had to clarify each location.

    Questions on my mind:
    Where exactly was Randy's home?
    How far away is it from Durwards Glen Road?

    Also, I would be very interested to know if they collected any fingerprints from the car (sans tires etc), items in the car or on the old tires.

    And if they did collect this evidence, do they still have it?

    I mean, what happened to the car? I know that if it were my car and that it could hold the keys to finding a missing family member of mine...I'd keep that sucker for life.

    falling asleep will re-post tomorrow if I re-read and it doesnt make sense
    Thanks for the map points!

    My question is what rivers, lakes, or other hazards would there be in that area? Could it be that Bob picked up a stranded motorist, met at a bar, someone hitchhiking, etc, and he fell into an irreversible bad situation?

    Can we infer that Randy is not missing, assuming the early information about Randy missing was a mistake, and if he is not missing, was he considered a person of interest in the investigation? Was Bob's care searched for evidence and what was found? I don't think they did DNA testing back in 1977, but if they did, or if LE could have some evidence that could be DNA tested, it may help bring some closure as to what happened to Bob.

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    my question is did the witness def id the man she saw in the car talking to her as being robert? it could have been anyone in the car and he could have said anything to her and she would believe him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimster View Post
    Let me see if the person who asked for Bob to be featured is able to come and answer some of these questions. I was wondering why the hunting buddy is named on the Doe Network also. But then, his mom did mention that he was missing so....? Very curious.
    According to an article I read online, Former Sauk County Sheriff Virgil Steinhorst was chief deputy when Robert disappeared. He has given interviews and said the department spend several weeks conducting searches of the bluffs area and following up tips as to where he might have gone.

    A few additional questions have been raised here on this thread. Do you think the person who requested highlighting this case would be willing to contact the sheriff and see if he can provide additional info?

    here's the link:
    http://justicebeserved.wordpress.com...uis-christian/

    Also:
    Sauk County Sheriff’s Department
    608-356-4808
    800-377-1195

    Cleashindra Hall vanished 5/9/94 just 9 days before she was to graduate HS as Valedictorian.
    She was last seen at the home/office of a doctor for whom she worked after school...only 1/2 mi down the road from her home.
    That home was not searched until 4/29/2012 - but investigators forgot to submit the evidence to the crime lab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernSummer View Post
    According to an article I read online, Former Sauk County Sheriff Virgil Steinhorst was chief deputy when Robert disappeared. He has given interviews and said the department spend several weeks conducting searches of the bluffs area and following up tips as to where he might have gone.

    A few additional questions have been raised here on this thread. Do you think the person who requested highlighting this case would be willing to contact the sheriff and see if he can provide additional info?

    here's the link:
    http://justicebeserved.wordpress.com...uis-christian/

    Also:
    Sauk County Sheriff’s Department
    608-356-4808
    800-377-1195
    I think it is a great idea to contact the sheriff. I hope you guys don't mind me looking in on this case. I am from Brisbane. However, as you know, Bob's picture was put up on the WS homepage and his face/name look familiar to me. He looks like a decent bloke and I know you can't tell someone by a photo but he doesn't sound (from all accounts) like a guy who was into crime and he had a lot going for him, with college to look forward to.

    I find it amazing that the area he went missing in has a lot of farms,so that land would be being used down through the years and you would think if he had been left on someone's property, a farmer might have come across him.

    So my guess is that if he has met with foul play, his body could have been disposed of in the national park areas. IMO

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    Lots of great points being made.
    I think he was sincere when he said he was looking for his friend. I think he was going to find/help his friend randy who had gotten in some sort of trouble, but apparently ended up with the same fate as randy? Randy is the key to this case. We need go get as much info on him as possible.
    I agree the Perps were locals.
    I suspect the bodies have been resting in a cave or well or some place like that. The quarry is interesting too. Did either of them have ties to anyone who eS affiliated with that quarry?
    And yes, I agree, bob looked like a great guy.
    My posts are opinion and speculation only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buster23 View Post
    I think it's safe to say that the post regarding Randy missing was a mistake. Doing a search, I found a Randy Griffith in Baraboo who was born in 1957. Not sure if this is the same guy, but the age would be about right (2 yrs older than Bob).

    Since Bob knew the area well (family from there and had been there often), it does seem like either he was disoriented or perhaps he was supposed to meet an unknown person at a new location (as others have posted).

    My recollection from the time is that he was going to stop by and check his tree stand and then go pick up his "cousin". As I think about it now, it seems odd that he would stop at the tree stand first. Why not just get his friend? Unless, he was dropping off stuff and they were going to hunt in the morning.

    Someone asked if his sister who was murdered was involved with the motorcycle gang when Bob disappeared. I don't know, but she would have been 16 yrs old at that time, so I doubt it.

    I haven't been in contact with any of his family for a long time. I did find his sister on facebook, though. I'm trying to decide if I should contact her about this. I don't want to upset her if she doesn't want to delve back into this.

    Thanks everyone!
    Buster, I know it could appear that you are bringing something up that could have the potential to upset his sister, but also sometimes, it has the opposite effect. After a long period of time such as this, Bob's sister might have come to terms with the pain of the loss of her brother. She might be able to converse with you about it and even find it cathartic to talk to someone who knew Bob about it. Just a thought.

    It is a leap of faith to contact her and it could have either negative or positive reactions. MOO

    Cheers
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    The other thing I have wondered about is whether any other young men of Bob's age had gone missing around the same area in that same year?

    Back in 1977 in that area of Wisconsin, was it unusual for people to go missing?
    How did the locals feel about it?
    Did any of the locals search with the local LE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mani View Post
    The other thing I have wondered about is whether any other young men of Bob's age had gone missing around the same area in that same year?

    Back in 1977 in that area of Wisconsin, was it unusual for people to go missing?
    How did the locals feel about it?
    Did any of the locals search with the local LE?
    EXCELLENT POINT!!!
    will look into

    Cleashindra Hall vanished 5/9/94 just 9 days before she was to graduate HS as Valedictorian.
    She was last seen at the home/office of a doctor for whom she worked after school...only 1/2 mi down the road from her home.
    That home was not searched until 4/29/2012 - but investigators forgot to submit the evidence to the crime lab.

    Clea has few visitors on her WS thread, please come & hear her story. This case can be solved.

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    I have sent a message to his sister on facebook (approx 24 hrs ago), but have not heard anything back yet.

    Regarding Randy, I may be wrong, but I don't think Randy was with Bob when Bob disappeared. I thought that Randy was at his parent's house waiting for Bob to show up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buster23 View Post
    I have sent a message to his sister on facebook (approx 24 hrs ago), but have not heard anything back yet.

    Regarding Randy, I may be wrong, but I don't think Randy was with Bob when Bob disappeared. I thought that Randy was at his parent's house waiting for Bob to show up.

    That makes sense. Did Randy possibly go missing at a later date? Is that what the member here meant?
    Good on you for trusting your intuition regarding contacting his sister and thank you.
    I hope she is in contact with you soon and doesn't mind talking about it with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mani View Post
    Buster, I know it could appear that you are bringing something up that could have the potential to upset his sister, but also sometimes, it has the opposite effect. After a long period of time such as this, Bob's sister might have come to terms with the pain of the loss of her brother. She might be able to converse with you about it and even find it cathartic to talk to someone who knew Bob about it. Just a thought.

    It is a leap of faith to contact her and it could have either negative or positive reactions. MOO

    Cheers
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    If it were my brother and I knew a bunch of people were trying to help solve his murder, I would certainly want to know...and help if I could handle the emotional strain of revisiting that pain. I think it's wonderful of you to make the attempt Buster, and agree with Mani.
    My posts are opinion and speculation only.

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    I wonder if there are any WSers out there who lived near that area at the time? What kind of illegal activities were common? Did he stumble across a pot farm (or chop shop) while searching for his friends house?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deca View Post
    I wonder if there are any WSers out there who lived near that area at the time? What kind of illegal activities were common? Did he stumble across a pot farm (or chop shop) while searching for his friends house?
    Yes, did Bob come across something illegal? Was he going to do something before he met his mate Randy Griffith and had not told anyone about it. He may have got waylaid along the way and one thing is certain; he didn't make it to his final destination.

    It is weird that he was looking for his friend in the wrong place, as it was some miles away from where he was expected at Randy's that night.

    It would be great to be able to talk to Randy Griffith. I know that is probably not appropriate but if Bob's family and friends knew that people on WS were starting to ask questions, it could be the start of a conversation. Just a thought.
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    If I was LE and I opened this cold case, I would try to find Robert's closest friends and/ or classmates to ask them a few questions (did he dabble in drugs? . .Would he pick up a hitchhiker?) He must have had other friends other than Randy. Maybe they could provide insight. I think they would feel freer to say something, since they aren't teens anymore. They may talk about pot, hard drugs and small town dealers if something like this was the reason he disappeared.

    Just some thoughts.

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    I would also reinterview Randy for insights, since he lived in the area Robert disappeared. Perhaps he learned about some odd characters over the years, or a rumor which was going around in the area.

    Another thought . . . if Robert was meeting a friend before heading to Randy's house, was it possible he called this individual to arrange the meeting or vice versa? Did the police check the phone records? If he was meeting someone, it is odd the person never came forward.

    Also, it would be good to know where the tree stand was located. Was it close to the tower where his car was found? Was it deep in the woods? Did he simply park the car near the tower to enter the woods from that spot? Was hunting season in full progress? Could he have been shot accidently by another hunter and the hunter panicked and buried the body? My guess LE checked out the tree stand area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McSpy View Post
    I would also reinterview Randy for insights, since he lived in the area Robert disappeared. Perhaps he learned about some odd characters over the years, or a rumor which was going around in the area.

    Another thought . . . if Robert was meeting a friend before heading to Randy's house, was it possible he called this individual to arrange the meeting or vice versa? Did the police check the phone records? If he was meeting someone, it is odd the person never came forward.

    Also, it would be good to know where the tree stand was located. Was it close to the tower where his car was found? Was it deep in the woods? Did he simply park the car near the tower to enter the woods from that spot? Was hunting season in full progress? Could he have been shot accidently by another hunter and the hunter panicked and buried the body? My guess LE checked out the tree stand area.
    Good points here, especially the last one. That would be so sad if that is the case. Would Bob have arrived at the stand in the late afternoon?
    Yes it would be good to know how far away it was.

    Is it possible to ask any WS from Wisconsin about this area? Can we put out a call to WS from Wisconsin on here? Not sure if you guys are from that state or other parts of the US.

    I might ask Kimster.

    Postscript - I have put a notice in the Tiki Bar asking anyone with any information/familiarity of Wisconsin to come over to this thread.
    I know it is inappropriate to ask members where they are from but there could be people on WS who have knowledge of the area Bob went missing in. Your country is like mine - it covers a lot of area and members range from far and wide.
    I hope some members who know the area, hear the call and come on down.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mani View Post
    The other thing I have wondered about is whether any other young men of Bob's age had gone missing around the same area in that same year?

    Back in 1977 in that area of Wisconsin, was it unusual for people to go missing?
    How did the locals feel about it?
    Did any of the locals search with the local LE?
    Being from Wisconsin, and having an Aunt who was in law enforcement in the late 70's (also in WI) I take special interest in cases from my home state. When I picked her brain about the Delafield John Doe case (which incidentally began two days before Robert's disappearance) she mentioned that most disappearances were solved rather quickly and were relatively uncommon in the Green Bay area where she worked. I would assume that was the same for Madison/Baraboo....but you never know.

    I know the Outlaws motorcycle "club" was/is very prominent in Wisconsin and had chop shops and other shady businesses all over the state. I don't know if that is the gang Robert's sister got caught up with, but from what I have read Robert wasn't involved...nor was he a bad guy by any stretch of the imagination.

    In that area of Wisconsin in particular you can find some pretty interesting terrain that you won't find anywhere else in the state. Lots of cliffs, bluffs, caves, deep lakes, the aforementioned quarries etc... in addition to some of the more traditional flat farmland Wisconsin is known for. Robert, who I feel unfortunately met with foul play, could literally be anywhere...especially in that part of the state.

    I'll have to ask my Aunt and my folks if they heard of or remember this case. I was 6 months old at the time, but Robert was/is around their age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masnitram View Post
    Being from Wisconsin, and having an Aunt who was in law enforcement in the late 70's (also in WI) I take special interest in cases from my home state. When I picked her brain about the Delafield John Doe case (which incidentally began two days before Robert's disappearance) she mentioned that most disappearances were solved rather quickly and were relatively uncommon in the Green Bay area where she worked. I would assume that was the same for Madison/Baraboo....but you never know.

    I know the Outlaws motorcycle "club" was/is very prominent in Wisconsin and had chop shops and other shady businesses all over the state. I don't know if that is the gang Robert's sister got caught up with, but from what I have read Robert wasn't involved...nor was he a bad guy by any stretch of the imagination.

    In that area of Wisconsin in particular you can find some pretty interesting terrain that you won't find anywhere else in the state. Lots of cliffs, bluffs, caves, deep lakes, the aforementioned quarries etc... in addition to some of the more traditional flat farmland Wisconsin is known for. Robert, who I feel unfortunately met with foul play, could literally be anywhere...especially in that part of the state.

    I'll have to ask my Aunt and my folks if they heard of or remember this case. I was 6 months old at the time, but Robert was/is around their age.
    Thanks for that Masnitram - it is the local knowledge that helps everyone to understand what might have happened.

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    An investigative journalist could write a story on Robert's disappearance for the local paper or for the Madison paper. Maybe leads could come from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McSpy View Post
    An investigative journalist could write a story on Robert's disappearance for the local paper or for the Madison paper. Maybe leads could come from it.
    That is a great idea. I wonder if this has been done through the years.
    It is just so sad that this young man with everything to live for, has had his life cut short.

    Someone must know something. How do the parents of people like Bob get through it? Man it must have been so tough for them.

    It would at least have brought some closure if they could have found his body, if in fact he did die.

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