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    When Annasmom posts the full reports, it will be explained fully, but they contain two surprises for me:

    1) The analysis reinforces what most of us believe about the two Georges. Brody was a master manipulator with an extraordinary ability to convince someone to participate in activities that they would otherwise not want to be involved with. Also, Waters had a fundamental need for approval that made him highly susceptable to manipulation. The combination of these two personalities equates to gasoline and fire.

    2) The analysis points toward a capacity for criminal activity that is far beyond what we had previously thought. The general consensus among those who investigated the two Georges was that they may have been weird enough to have abducted Anna, but they would have had to have convinced themselves that they were doing "good" in the process. If I am reading the new analysis correctly, they seem to have a higher capacity for evil than previously thought. They would certainly have been able to be involved from a personality standpoint.

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    Oh dear, I'm speechless. Well, not really. If what you're saying is what I think you're saying, then the "I'm glad the Tot is dead" statement has a lot of significance. My only problem with this scenario is Waters rush to stop child support. In following up with this master plan, wouldn't he/they think that would raise a few red flags? I'm very interested in reading the report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iNTERESTEDWOMAN View Post
    Oh dear, I'm speechless. Well, not really. If your saying what I think your saying, then the "I'm glad the Tot is dead" has a lot of significance. My only problem with this scenario is Waters rush to stop child support. In following up with this master plan, wouldn't he/they think that would raise a few red flags? I'm very interested in reading the report.
    Not really... Not to me. He wanted to quit paying support all along... it's not surprising that's the first thing he wanted to do after Anna disappeared.

    “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicRose99 View Post
    Not really... Not to me. He wanted to quit paying support all along... it's not surprising that's the first thing he wanted to do after Anna disappeared.
    But if HE had something to do with her disappearance (as in death), why would he draw the attention to himself? Even if he always wanted to abandon payments, wouldn't you think he'd hang low for 4 or 5 months to bring it up?

    They covered their tracks VERY WELL, this one slip up (motive) could have brought him/them down very quickly, if LE would have thoroughly investigated him/them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iNTERESTEDWOMAN View Post
    But if HE had something to do with her disappearance (as in death), why would he draw the attention to himself? Even if he always wanted to abandon payments, wouldn't you think he'd hang low for 4 or 5 months to bring it up?

    They covered their tracks VERY WELL, this one slip up (motive) could have brought him/them down very quickly, if LE would have thoroughly investigated him/them.
    I don't think that would have mattered to him... it's staying true to character. How would it draw attention to himself when he's been so adamant about not paying support all along?

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    Handwriting Analysis

    I am posting parts of Peggy Walla's analysis of a sample of George Brody's handwriting. Peggy is a certified handwriting analyst, a licensed private investigator certified forensic document examiner and director of Forensic Science at www.CHAIworldwide.org. She has given permission to post this, but suggested posting only parts which I can personally validate, since the report is seven pages long, single-spaced. Peggy has contributed this valuable and fascinating information at no charge.

    Handwriting suggest weak boundaries between conscious thought processes and unconscious drives and urges. The writer lacks integration and is incongruent in emotional or ideational processes. Letters indicate the writer's deficiency in handling situations with moral distinction or judgment, since the person operates in “the sphere outside the sphere in which moral distinctions or judgments apply” (Alfred Mendel, 1947).

    Letters suggest corruption and a lack of morality. The writer may have little regard for laws or rules made by others, and can be a law unto self. He or she may, for example, strike out when a gesture of friendship is expected—a blow in place of a handshake (Mendel).

    A serious disturbance in self-concept.
    Extreme decisiveness and/or forcefulness. Brutality or cruelty. It may indicate a “hit first, ask questions later” impulsiveness. Pervasive characterological anger (conscious or unconscious) and may indicate a disturbed self-concept... Strokes are frequently found in the handwriting of people who like to use weapons, especially sharp instruments....

    The writer has a short fuse and can fly off the handle at the least provocation. A pervasive characterological anger (conscious or unconscious) is suggested. A disturbance in the person’s self-concept.
    Writing indicates fraudulent intentions, contrary, tricky, amoral, or who demonstrate active resistance to accepted and legal norms of behavior.
    Suggests a loss of or lapse of consciousness, sometimes due to strong internal tension.

    The writer may be excessively compulsive in behavior. Often there is a tendency toward over indulgence to relieve accumulated stress and tension. Impending explosion is suggested.
    A lack of sensitivity to others’ feelings and may indicate a harsh, crude, and/or brutal individual...

    Strong repression suggests that there may have been a long period of training in which deviation met with punishment. (Zmuda, 1986)
    May indicate hidden aggression or sneaky, behind-the-scenes activities. The person has a beneath-the-surface, covert, subtle, indirect approach. Connote psychological understanding of unconscious motivations, which can be utilized either positively or negatively. It is sometimes seen in the writing of detectives, vice squad, spies, therapists, or criminals.

    Unpleasant unconscious urges and desires affecting the individual's value or belief system and behavior. These urges and desires may not be expressed or acknowledged openly, and therefore actions are likely to be hidden and subversive. (Jeffrey Dahmer).

    Thinking and morals may be distorted or strange. The writer may twist ideas or morals to fit his behavior or to justify his actions.. .
    The writer will be inclined to act upon this distorted perception, considering his or her own needs first.
    Prone to view the world and others in extremes rather than in normal proportions. Sees himself as very important. Tends to be an extremist and may greatly exaggerate issues. .. He or she may expect to be the center of attention, and usually is, either in a positive or negative way. The aim of thoughts and actions is to be recognized... May indicate megalomania.
    Indicates very broad, expansive thinking and suggests poor boundaries, inner discipline or firm moral codes. The person can be susceptible to the influence of people or events. Control and self-discipline are lacking and impulsiveness, extravagance, and hedonism are suggested.

    The writer has an orientation to the present rather than the past or the future; he deals best with the here and now. It also indicates a strong need for immediate gratification, as well as immaturity and a subjective view of the world. The writer may act now, think later.

    A proneness to hypersensitivity which relates to a fluctuating self-image. Unstable responses and inner conflict are implied. The writer is easily affected by outside influences and may therefore be a “barometer” for the feelings of others. The writer will be unpredictable in the expression of his criminal behavior.

    A verbally blunt person—someone who lacks tact. It points toward a lack of refined social skills and implies that the writer attempts to overcompensate for a basic feeling of inferiority. A tendency to suddenly lose control. The writer is apt to express his opinions strongly and may want to have the last word...

    Indicates erratic responses to environmental influences. Suggests that the writer is ambivalent about interpersonal contact, that he or she is inconsistent and unorganized and lacks logic. The writer does not “have it together” and so may be unpredictable..

    Moodiness. This suggests immaturity and labile, unpredictable reactions and behavior. The writer may fluctuate between conscious and subconscious material, or between fact and fantasy.

    Variable moods which last for shorter or longer periods of time. Projects or endeavors are started with energy or enthusiasm which wanes quickly, or over a longer period of time. The writer may be bipolar manic depressive.
    A resistance toward authority. The writer is alert to possible injustices by authority figures. May illustrate rebelliousness and the fear of losing one’s autonomy. The writer is often willing to break rules and part from tradition. A defiant attitude is sometimes exhibited by sudden and impulsive outbursts, and the writer may be viewed as being crude, uneducated, or antisocial.

    Indicates embellishment of basic truth with idiosyncratic perceptions or outright deception. The person can be obsessional and/or untrustworthy. Possible psychotic thought processes. The writer may have intrusive thoughts and ideas that he/she perceives as coming from external sources. This causes tension and may have an effect on the person’s sanity...

    Prone to acquisitiveness—a desire to possess, trivial desires. Might imply ambitious desires. Could be motivation for crime.
    Illustrates a tendency towards social immaturity. The person may be torn between being soft or harsh. Can represent lack of sensitivity to other people’s feelings. Brutality is a possibility.

    Indicates jealousy, the fear of rejection or loss of love. Afraid of losing relationships or things. Suspicious; sees other people as rivals and is therefore insecure and competitive. Guards possessions jealously due to fear of having them taken away. May be provoked to violence in an effort to guard what is his.

    Strokes that have a decidedly forward thrust imply aggressiveness and/or initiative. Mental initiative is usually suggested. Physical aggressiveness is implied. Employs considerable energy in their activities, whether positive or negative...

    Reticence. The writer may not be willing or able to verbally express thoughts and feelings. He or she generally prefers to keep personal matters concealed.

    Suggests vanity, an overestimation of one’s own worth and abilities. The person expects praise and recognition, whether it has been earned or not, tends to think that rules do not apply to him, and may exhibit pomposity, grandiosity, or arrogance. He or she is defended, susceptible to flattery or criticism, and may criticize other people in order to look “better than.”

    Accomplishments, efforts, work and the intentions to carry out one’s plans.
    Indicates a dominating nature. The writer wants things done his or her way and expects others to help in carrying out plans and intentions. Indicates a domineering, demanding, controlling personality, the result of feelings of futility and powerlessness. The writer wants to be in control of most situations and may impose his will in a demanding way. He wants what he wants when he wants it.

    The habit of exploding or reacting with temper when plans or goals are thwarted. The writer is irritable and impatient and wants to get on with things. He or she is apt to “fly off the handle” at the slightest provocation.
    A person of strong will, someone who is purposeful and self-directed. The writer can be forceful and hard to stop. The possibility of danger—even brutality.

    Suggests very high goals. The writer is prone to have a rich fantasy life in general, and especially where the future is concerned. He or she looks far ahead and may want to do something important or be someone special.
    Unreachable or overly ambitious goals which may create frustration. The writer has very unrealistic goals...Enthusiasm and enjoyment of ideas and interests. Inner exuberance lends endurance to one’s will power, allowing him or her to influence others in either a positive or negative manner, depending on what the enthusiasm is about. The writer is likely to follow through with plans and intentions due to the momentum of the enthusiasm.

    The writer is determined and self-directed. Once started, he or she has strong follow-through and does not wish to admit defeat. Energy is expressed in physical or practical accomplishments. The writer is “rooted” in the physical. The person can be determined in socially unacceptable areas.

    Suggests unusually strong physical and/or material drives. There is a heavy focus on physical satisfactions, i.e. food, sex, and physical activity, or the person may be concerned with financial security. Emotional expression sexual fantasy more likely. A person who runs; goes too far and is unable to stop; hyperactivity is implied.

    Indicates a tendency to exaggerate, distort ideas, or daydream, of strong imagery, an active imagination and a rich fantasy life. An overly active imagination can lead to great distortion. The writer may encompass too much in the imagination and end with nothing in reality. Check for delusional thinking.

    The person's thoughts are confused and/or distorted. There are possible hallucinations and loss of contact with reality. Such writers may have unfounded religious ideas or fantasies which distort reality.

    An unusual thinking style. Unique thinking can be a blessing or a curse. It may indicate talents and uniquely creative abilities OR pathological obsessions, the writer may be “crazy” or creative. The individual’s thinking, philosophy, and/or behavior may be altered to serve his or her own emotional needs.

    Indicates manual dexterity and an ability to work with tools and implements. Sometimes found in the handwritings of killers who are deft at carrying out their murderous deeds.

    Wavy lead-ins suggest an individual with humor and a generally positive attitude. This is an adult coping mechanism which implies that the writer makes use of humor to keep his or her attitude and surroundings light and positive.

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    Did Peggy have any back ground information on Brody? I have to admit the report is not shocking, and very impressive. I'm interested in her technique. Did she come up with this all on a hand writing sample alone, with no description of Brody, or was she given a summary of Brody/Waters/Anna Missing first?

    Please understand, I'm not doubting anything she wrote, (I totally agree based on my understanding of Brody), I'm just really curious how much she knew before she analyzed his hand writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iNTERESTEDWOMAN View Post
    Did Peggy have any back ground information on Brody? I have to admit the report is not shocking, and very impressive. I'm interested in her technique. Did she come up with this all on a hand writing sample alone, with no description of Brody, or was she given a summary of Brody/Waters/Anna Missing first?

    Please understand, I'm not doubting anything she wrote, (I totally agree based on my understanding of Brody), I'm just really curious how much she knew before she analyzed his hand writing.
    iW, this is what I wrote to Peggy requesting the analysis....

    Dear Peggy,
    I am a volunteer helping the family of Michaele Benedict search for her daughter, Anna Christian Waters, who went missing in 1973 at the age of 5. Anna's parents divorced in 1969. When her father (George Waters) moved away from the home he was living in a couple tenderloin hotels with an elderly man. Her father was a physician in San Francisco until his suicide in Jan 1982. After his death, the Waters family had given Michaele all paperwork left in the hotel room in hopes there may be a clue to her daughters whereabouts.
    There were hundreds of insurance policies, usually insuring Dr Waters with the elderly man as beneficiary. There were copies of child support checks written before her disappearance and he referenced Anna as A.C.E. (Anna Christian Eifee). The Eifee name was added to her birth certificate within weeks of her birth at the request of the elderly friend of Dr. Waters. I have attached a note that was found in the box of papers which appear to be written prior to Anna's disappearance (Jan 16). This note, we believe, is about purchasing an insurance policy with Anna as beneficiary then possibly changing the beneficiary.

    Peggy sent me an e-mail asking an approximate age for GB. Then I received another e-mail with about 20 questions she had.

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    George Waters handwriting analysis

    Here are pertinent excerpts from Peggy Walla's analysis. You will notice some similarities with the analysis of George Brody's handwriting, since possibly the same indicators are there.

    Weak boundaries between conscious thought processes and unconscious drives and urges.

    Physical or mental breakdown and is often a reflection of active psychosis. The writer’s thoughts and/or emotions are fragmented or disconnected. Possible impending psychosis.


    Anger, hostility, irritability and frustration. Easily lose one’s temper. The writer has a short fuse and can fly off the handle at the least provocation.
    Inner tension, irritability, and temper. Ruminating or obsessional thinking associated with excessive emotional focus...

    A state of high tension and internal pressure. The individual may be unusually reactive to all environmental stimuli, deeply absorbing all emotional experiences... The writer is “carrying a heavy load.”

    Indicates inappropriate release and utilization of mental, emotional, and/or physical energies. The personality tends to be lacking in resilience and elasticity, since the upstroke suggests a forced expression of energies. ..

    Erratic impulses and uncontrolled emotional responses and urges. Sudden bursts of energy (often sexual) occur according to the preponderance of pressure fluctuation. The writer is apt to be emotionally labile, sometimes nervous. Check for health problems, such as physical exhaustion, emotional problems, and possible psychosis.

    Compulsive and uncontrollable indulgence in sensual and libidinal urges, and the possibility of an impending explosion (inner or outer). Intrusive thoughts are affecting the writing form. Emotional blocks. Check for physical illness. If no physical illness is present, dangerousness may well be indicated.

    An attempt to cover up or to correct what's already been done. The writer is a fixer or perfectionist, someone who finds it difficult to be satisfied with things as they are. May show a paranoid smoke screen. Guilt is suggested.

    Fraudulent intentions. Persons who are contrary, tricky, amoral, or who demonstrate active resistance to accepted and legal norms of behavior.
    Suggests a loss of or lapse of consciousness, sometimes due to strong internal tension. The writer may be excessively compulsive in behavior. Look for seizure state or equivalent. Often there is a tendency toward over indulgence to relieve accumulated stress and tension. Impending explosion is suggested.

    May indicate hidden aggression or sneaky, behind-the-scenes activities. The person has a beneath-the-surface, covert, subtle, indirect approach. Psychological understanding of unconscious motivations, which can be utilized either positively or negatively. It is sometimes seen in the writing of detectives, vice squad, spies, therapists, or criminals.

    Unpleasant unconscious urges and desires affecting the individual's value or belief system and behavior. These urges and desires may not be expressed or acknowledged openly, and therefore actions are likely to be hidden and subversive.

    Poor thinking patterns. This may indicate confusion or evasiveness regarding everyday situations. Unrealistic thinking and that the writer does not deal well with personal problems.
    Odd or twisted thinking. Can indicate unique or creative thinking. A distorted perception of other people’s rights. The writer will be inclined to act upon this distorted perception, considering his or her own needs first.
    Distortions of one’s personal value system. This may include ideas, morals, beliefs, appearance, or general lifestyle. Non-conformist or defiant individuality.

    Proneness to hypersensitivity which relates to a fluctuating self-image. Unstable responses and inner conflict are implied. The writer is easily affected by outside influences and may therefore be a “barometer” for the feelings of others. The person will be unpredictable in the expression of his criminal behavior.

    The writer’s integrity is at stake. Psychosis is possible.
    Indicates immediate and intense emotional responses to outer stimuli, the expression of which may be expressed or controlled depending on other features in the personality. Emotional biases. The person has a tendency to “run away with himself” and is inclined to act impulsively or volcanically. He is capable of being ardent and passionate as well as hysterical. Generally the writer is strongly “cause-oriented.” This sign is likely to facilitate dangerousness because of a tendency for sudden physical or mental action and because it suggests a dissatisfaction with the status quo. May signify emotional dependency.

    Implies a person with an erratic emotional nature, one who is subject to the mood of the moment. He or she is easily excitable and unpredictable; behavior may be erratic. Connotes identification problems (conflict between mother-father/male-female roles). Values and self-image are affected by this conflict as the person is pulled in many directions at once.
    Erratic responses to environmental influences. Suggests that the writer is ambivalent about interpersonal contact, that he or she is inconsistent and unorganized and lacks logic. The writer does not “have it together” and so may be unpredictable

    Irregular baselines indicate moodiness. This suggests immaturity and labile, unpredictable reactions and behavior.
    Variable moods which last for shorter or longer periods of time. Projects or endeavors are started with energy or enthusiasm which wanes quickly, or over a longer period of time. The writer may be bipolar manic depressive.
    Simplified, direct approach in speech, action, manners, dress, or taste.

    Jealousy, the fear of rejection or loss of love. Afraid of losing relationships or things. Suspicious; sees other people as rivals and is therefore insecure and competitive. Guards possessions jealously due to fear of having them taken away. May be provoked to violence in an effort to guard what is his.
    Proneness to rush ahead due to difficulty controlling one’s impulses. Once started on a path of action the person tends to become driven or propelled ahead. The person’s mental or emotional brakes are not working properly.

    Self-deception or self-denial. The writer can sometimes be manipulative and lacking in clear communication. He may also rationalize, believing only what he wants to believe and ignoring the facts. Lack of perception of the truth. Paranoia is implied. Unclear or deceptive communication.

    Fragile self-esteem which requires a defensive posture. Indicates the possibility of sudden emotional outbursts or other strong reactions to perceived threats to the writer’s self-esteem. The person is touchy and may be over-reactive.

    Fear of criticism regarding lifestyle, dress, family, customary behavior, etc. There is a tendency to be “thin-skinned”—to imagine disapproval and to magnify criticism, an attitude that comes from guilt feelings. May think people are talking about him, which creates social anxiety. The feelings of guilt may be quite strong, indicating paranoia and the writer may view the present through all the past “tapes” of criticism that continue to be played.
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    Indicates a tendency to exaggerate, distort ideas, or daydream. This sign is suggestive of strong imagery, an active imagination and a rich fantasy life. An overly active imagination can lead to great distortion and, if associated with negative traits, can add to the possibility of dangerousness.

    Lack of contact with inner feelings. Does not allow self to be influenced by inner feelings and can therefore be quite objective. Tends to feel isolated from others.

    Self-control dominates and that the person may be isolated from his or her emotions and from other people. Lack of spontaneity. Thinking and objectivity predominate over feeling. It also suggests loneliness and a need for space. In extreme cases the writer may fear insanity.

    Helpfulness, receptiveness, nurturing qualities, and (sometimes) gullibility.
    Psychological insight, an ability to understand and (usually) influence others on a subtle level. The writer uses tact and discretion and works toward peaceful solutions. Difficulty being confrontive and a tendency to avoid issues.

    Generosity, a willingness to give or to share that which the person feels to be valuable. They also suggest that the writer may be service-oriented, and that he or she wants to be fair. Some consideration for others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annasmom View Post
    Here are pertinent excerpts from Peggy Walla's analysis....snip
    Helpfulness, receptiveness, nurturing qualities, and (sometimes) gullibility.
    Psychological insight, an ability to understand and (usually) influence others on a subtle level. The writer uses tact and discretion and works toward peaceful solutions. Difficulty being confrontive and a tendency to avoid issues.

    Generosity, a willingness to give or to share that which the person feels to be valuable. They also suggest that the writer may be service-oriented, and that he or she wants to be fair. Some consideration for others.

    At least she did have something positive to say about Waters. The highlighted area gives me hope that if Brody had a (bad)plan for Anna, that Waters may have had the ability to influenced him into a peaceful solution.

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    I have been out of touch for the last week, but am back and ready to jump right in.

    I have made contact with a gentleman who is looking for a "George Brody from California" whom he served with during the Korean War. IF Brody were to be the age that he said he was, that would have made him 25 years old at the start of the war (which fits). I am sending this man pictures of Brody to confirm that it is the same man. I am not optimistic that the two Brody's are the same guy, but will let you know the outcome.

    I have been thinking about some analysis that I have seen recently here that why would the two Georges, who were so careful to not draw attention to themselves, get involved in a kidnapping that would undoubtedly focus suspicion on them? It dawned on me that Brody, as demonstrated by his over-the-top praising of anyone who he wanted something from, believed that he was smarter than everyone else. I can see his ego letting him believe that he could talk his way out of anything. Little did he know that his language fooled no one and only made him look like a cheap conman (which he was).

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    Blessings to Anna and her family on this sad day in their family history. By this time next year, let us be rejoicing. I have faith the answers will come soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iNTERESTEDWOMAN View Post
    Blessings to Anna and her family on this sad day in their family history. By this time next year, let us be rejoicing. I have faith the answers will come soon.
    Thank you so much.

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    Anna's family, my thoughts are always with you, and especially today on the 35th anniversary of Anna's disappearance.

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    I received an e-mail thru the sfa website a couple weeks ago from a person who reads the forum. This person informed me of a 39 y/o woman who resembles the age progression who has been a family friend for some time. Further investigating on the informants part, ruled out this woman as being Anna. My point for posting this is to bring out the fact that not only members here looking for Anna, but our readers are also.

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    I am currently moving across the country, driving my car with my Searching For Anna bumper sticker on the rear bumper. By the end of the week, it will have been seen in 10 different states. I hope it piques someone's curiosity and they come check out the website!

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    Is there by chance anything more to be gleaned from the girl who said she saw Anna with Bill? Would she be willing to undergo hypnosis maybe? Maybe talk to her father if he is still living and try to find out Bill's name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhett View Post
    Is there by chance anything more to be gleaned from the girl who said she saw Anna with Bill? Would she be willing to undergo hypnosis maybe? Maybe talk to her father if he is still living and try to find out Bill's name.

    I had the same thoughts. I wonder if she could provide addresses or tenant names of his investment properties, and wonder if there was a way to search for them if she was unable to... with the full privacy and trust from the core group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhett View Post
    Is there by chance anything more to be gleaned from the girl who said she saw Anna with Bill? Would she be willing to undergo hypnosis maybe? Maybe talk to her father if he is still living and try to find out Bill's name.
    The woman's father was suffering from alzheimers when we last spoke to her, so that would not be an option. I do not know if she would be willing to undergo hypnosis, but she was very cooperative with our questions.

    For me, the question of the validity of this woman's story is still up in the air. The story seems almost too good to be true, but those parts that can be confirmed have proven to be truthful. Some research into her background uncovered some hint that her memories may be suspect, but too much of what she said has been verified to dismiss her outright. We have not done much followup after our initial interviews with her simply because we are not sure which way to go with her information other than giving extra attention to any connections involving a "Bill" or a "William" who may have been a construction worker and who lived in or immediately around the city of San Mateo.

    In short, I believe that she believes that the information that she has provided is correct. Her sincerity or intent is not in question, only whether the content is factual or something else.

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    In reading both from the BFH and Annasmom's book, it seems that revenge probably did play some factor - if it truly was the two Georges behind Anna's abduction. Waters' letters to his parents (which were undoubtedly dictated by Brody) contained horribly insulting references to Annasmom, beyond even what someone might expect during an unfriendly divorce. Evidently, Brody was not happy with this turn of events

    I also noticed that coincidence of Anna's disappearance occuring exactly four months to the day after the marriage of Annasmom and Joe Ford. I do not know if this was by design or coincidence, but I do believe that the marriage actually set off the series of events that culminated with Anna's disappearance. Right after the marriage, Annasmom sent Waters a letter informing him of the marriage and that he could discontinue his alimony payments. Having been relieved of an alimony payment of $125, I suspect that the two Georges felt that it was time to be releived of the $175 child support payment also. This motive, coupled with removing Anna as a potential heir to Waters' estate, is what lead to the crime.

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    Today, being my own birthday, I cannot help but think about Anna, we share the same birth year. I have been searching for some time for adoptees in Illinois, thinking that it is possible that the adoptee may think they were born there. I have a few leads, nothing concrete yet. I have discovered that Annasmom can register with the Illinois state police registration database through vital records, and can list herself as a birthparent. since she does not know if Anna could have been taken away by GW to Illinois, and could have been internationally adopted, she should be allowed to register. Also, it is sad to say, but Illinois is notorious for several shady adoption houses during the time that Anna was taken. I watch and search all the time, hoping I will find her.
    One off the topic note...there is a place there, called Anna, Illinois...wish I could find her there!
    I have learned from other adoptees how difficult it is to reconnect if you were adopted out from these shady homes, but the state is lenient in giving records out in these cases, due to the nature of the people who ran these adoption homes, so that is good news~!
    Thinking of Anna today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by InterestedNHelping View Post
    Today, being my own birthday, I cannot help but think about Anna, we share the same birth year. I have been searching for some time for adoptees in Illinois, thinking that it is possible that the adoptee may think they were born there. I have a few leads, nothing concrete yet. I have discovered that Annasmom can register with the Illinois state police registration database through vital records, and can list herself as a birthparent. since she does not know if Anna could have been taken away by GW to Illinois, and could have been internationally adopted, she should be allowed to register. Also, it is sad to say, but Illinois is notorious for several shady adoption houses during the time that Anna was taken. I watch and search all the time, hoping I will find her.
    One off the topic note...there is a place there, called Anna, Illinois...wish I could find her there!
    I have learned from other adoptees how difficult it is to reconnect if you were adopted out from these shady homes, but the state is lenient in giving records out in these cases, due to the nature of the people who ran these adoption homes, so that is good news~!
    Thinking of Anna today...
    Happy Birthday, INH, and many thanks for your good thoughts. I have been assuming that the National Center and the International Center for Missing and Exploited Children covers all the states, since it is staffed at least partially by law enforcement people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InterestedNHelping View Post
    Today, being my own birthday, I cannot help but think about Anna, we share the same birth year. I have been searching for some time for adoptees in Illinois, thinking that it is possible that the adoptee may think they were born there. I have a few leads, nothing concrete yet. I have discovered that Annasmom can register with the Illinois state police registration database through vital records, and can list herself as a birthparent. since she does not know if Anna could have been taken away by GW to Illinois, and could have been internationally adopted, she should be allowed to register. Also, it is sad to say, but Illinois is notorious for several shady adoption houses during the time that Anna was taken. I watch and search all the time, hoping I will find her.
    One off the topic note...there is a place there, called Anna, Illinois...wish I could find her there!
    I have learned from other adoptees how difficult it is to reconnect if you were adopted out from these shady homes, but the state is lenient in giving records out in these cases, due to the nature of the people who ran these adoption homes, so that is good news~!
    Thinking of Anna today...
    Happy belated Birthday INH! With the news breaking last week with the commune in TX, I can't help but think could Anna be there?

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    Dear Websleuthers,

    I'm the neighbor on the farm who lived in the small cottage by the stream. I got the book as soon as Annasmom told me via email that it was available, and I'm a little upset with myself about how much I have forgotten. Some of my lapsed memory I can blame on residual chemo-brain, and some on old age. In particular, I don’t remember the information uncovered as a result of surveillance of the two Georges, and the contents of the Box From Hell. I’d moved to New Mexico, and from there to Pennsylvania, and am now in North Carolina. Today, I want to toss a couple dreams into the pot along with some strange events that may or may not have any relevance.

    Annasmom, Annasbro, JoeFord, Sherlock, Doogie, and all you wonderful sleuths, I've just been reading through the threads on the forum here, and am so impressed with everyone's insights and theories, and how you all are working so closely to find Anna. Your sleuthing and reviews of all known facts make it clear that Anna was taken away by somebody. I don't really remember much about that day, it was so chaotic, and all the focus was on searching the flooded stream and the many buildings and barns on the farm. And then with the arrival of the sheriffs and the divers, helicopters, the whole place was teeming with people. Even though I was there that day, in Annasmom's living room with her and Joe, so many details have fled my mind over the years. I do remember Annasmom getting up and saying with a serious look on her face 'I'm not tracking Anna.' And that's when we all started looking around the farm, calling for her. And time turned upside down.

    I remember Annasmom telling me about a dream she had, shortly after Anna disappeared, when Anna appeared to her covered in a seaweed-draped shawl. At least it was something like that.

    I told Annasmom about a dream I had in which Anna and I were at a big flea market, a huge swap meet in a football stadium, we were walking along the aisles of tables; then the dream shifted and we were in a neighborhood, where the stoops of the row houses came right down to the sidewalk, and as we were walking along we looked up, to our right, and there was an enormous white rabbit on the top step. The rabbit had a large pink rose 'tattooed' on its chest, in its fur. Then I woke up. Years later I saw Carole Bell, a psychic in Albuquerque. At the end of the session I told her I'd lost a good friend, a 5-year-old girl, she looked at me and said right away 'She is OK, she's with the Rose People.' I didn't know what she meant, so she said that the Rose People are like spirits, we can walk right through them. Hmmmm. Maybe she's with a family last name of Rose?

    Anna was the only person on the farm who would come and eat liver and onions with me. And a little bacon, of course. She loved to help me measure and count my worms. One worm was so big, we made a special bed for him, and Anna named him King Worm. He had whiskers. She also named my billy goat: Rocky Road Raccoon Flower. Anna was great fun to be with, her giggles were infectious, we had many good laughs together. I hope she is alive and still giggling. Maybe she is a gardener, raising worms somewhere...

    Two other things I remember. In Annasmom's kitchen there was a small mirror over the stove, and some time after Anna disappeared I looked at the mirror, and it wasn't my reflection, it was an old mutual friend's face looking back at me. It was the ex-wife of Dr. Dick. Annasmom and I called her on the phone immediately, and we all cried. Later, back down in my little cottage, I walked by the mirror on the bathroom door, and there was NO reflection.

    And oh, now I am remembering a Tarot reading over at Jeffrey's in Mill Valley. The reader basically said the cards said Anna was a prisoner of some sort. This was before Jeffrey disowned all of us, the old San Francisco crew. He 'got religion.'

    Also I thought the van that the carpenter saw leaving the canyon after he stopped to commune with the horses by the fence at Bud's, that the van was a green panel van with two men in the front seats who waved to him. But I may be mixing this up with the old movie 'The Collector' where the guy drove a green panel van. That movie was scary.

    The small footprints in the mud at the bank of the stream by the big barn were probably mine, as I wore little kid size work boots. I remember going there while searching. That barn had a big water wheel around back. I don't remember if my estranged husband was there for the search as we'd split up by then. Annasmom, was he there?

    Annasmom, I have had many occasions in my life to remember your words to me on a day we stood on the bridge, leaning on the railing overlooking the stream, you'd been re-reading The Tibetan Book of the Dead, and you turned to me and said, 'These things happen to those of us who can handle it.' We just handle it. There are varying degrees of handling sadness, tragedy, mystery, frustration, anger, confusion. It slips all around, is never static, and is all a part of handling it. You have always been my model for strength, grace under pressure, beauty, talent, and concern for all those around you. Remembering your words helped me handle the nightmare of BC.

    I can't help but feel that the two Georges were the schemers behind Anna's disappearance. If anybody can solve this, it will be this great crew here at Websleuths...

    Annasmom, I pray you get a call from Anna soon... and Anna, wherever you are, please call your mom

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