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    CA - Laurel Canyon, WhtFem 358UFCA, 20-23, Manson Victim, Nov'69 - Reet Jurvetson

    Unidentified White Female
    The victim was discovered on November 16, 1969 in Los Angeles, California.
    Estimated Date of Death: November 14, 1969
    Stabbed to death

    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: 20 - 23 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'9 1/2"; 112 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Tinted dark brown hair; green eyes. Vaccination scars on left arm and left outer thigh, one-quarter-inch scar under right breast, light brown birthmark on right buttock.
    Dentals: Available. She had silver amalgam fillings in upper teeth numbers 2, 3, 4, 5, 12, 13, 14, and 15, and lower teeth 18, 19, 20, 21, 28, 29, 30 and 31.
    Clothing: Blue corduroy jacket, size 9-10 made in Canada; Blue hip-hugger Levis, made in Boston, MA.; tan, knee-length, riding type boots (possibly made in Spain), well worn and resoled; tan sweater, size 32; belt marked Thom 38 or Tham 38, The belt is leather, about two inches wide, with one-inch leather strips which go through a brass ring.; Yellow metal ring with red oval stone on right ring finger; white metal ring with Indian designs on left middle finger, made in Mexico.
    Fingerprints: Available

    See below link for Composite sketch of victim and drawings of her Jewlery and Clothing.

    Case History

    The victim was located on Mulholland Drive and Skyline Drive, Los Angeles, CA. She was found down an embankment alongside of Mulholland Drive, near Laurel Canyon, by a hiker.

    She had been stabbed to death, and there is evidence of a "rage" or overkill.

    The DNA evidence is tentative. Police are still attempting to extract a DNA profile from blood from her clothing.

    Because of the labels in her clothing, detectives suspect she may have come from Canada or the east coast, possibly Europe.

    A witness remembered seeing the girl with the Manson Family at Spahn, and thought her name was "Sherry".

    Investigators

    If you have any information about this case please contact:

    Los Angeles Police Department
    Robbery Homicide Division
    Cold Case Homicide Unit
    Detectives C Shepard and J Ramirez
    213-847-0970

    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    Agency Case Number: 69-668376
    Coroner Case Number: 1969-12644
    NCIC Number: U-393785300

    Please refer to these numbers when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

    Source Information:
    Los Angeles Police Department
    Helter Skelter
    The Doe Network: Case File 358UFCA

    LINK:

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/358ufca.html
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    http://crime.about.com/od/murder/ig/...ily/cooper.htm

    It looks from this page that there may be a tentative ID. If you Google "Sherry Cooper" along with "Manson Family" there is a lot of information about her listed on various web pages. I wonder if she has any family wondering about her.

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    Manson Family

    Quote Originally Posted by ASU2USC View Post
    http://crime.about.com/od/murder/ig/...ily/cooper.htm

    It looks from this page that there may be a tentative ID. If you Google "Sherry Cooper" along with "Manson Family" there is a lot of information about her listed on various web pages. I wonder if she has any family wondering about her.
    It is possible that this unknown girl is Sherry Cooper, but why has no identification been made in the past 38 years? Indeed, if there were family looking for Sherry Cooper (if that was her real name) then DNA could be compared.

    A lot of young people came and went at the Spahn Ranch, as did Biker gangs. Most of the girls (and guys) associated with Charles Manson went by nicknames or aliases. I wonder if "Sherry Cooper" might also have been such as name.

    The website indicates that another girl was with Sherry Cooper. Has she ever turned up? Is she listed as missing?

    It would be interesting if this girl could be positively identified and Charles Manson tried for her murder so many years later. Manson and several of his followers were given Death Sentences, but when the Death Sentence was declared "Unconstitutional" back in the early 1970's they (along with many others) got lucky and were awarded Life Sentences instead. Now that the Death Penalty is back in place, it would be sweetly ironic if they could be tried for another murder committed so many years ago.

    There are, of course, some other possibilities regarding this case. This was a time when the Zodiac Killer was operating. Also, see the Websleuths thread on the Lompoc Jane Doe, who was also stabbed to death in Southern California - in August 1969. There could be a link there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    It is possible that this unknown girl is Sherry Cooper, but why has no identification been made in the past 38 years? Indeed, if there were family looking for Sherry Cooper (if that was her real name) then DNA could be compared.
    http://books.google.com/books?id=vIr...lZRBR2LAxj9sG0

    This excerpt from Helter Skelter seems to indicate that the LA Sheriff's office verified that Sherry Cooper was still alive after they found Sherry Doe. I'm not really sure after a bit more searching what the verdict is - I've found about half and half of websites that think this is Sherry Cooper or don't think so.



    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    The website indicates that another girl was with Sherry Cooper. Has she ever turned up? Is she listed as missing?
    It sounds like the whole story was that Sherry Cooper walked out of Spahn Ranch with another girl, Barbara Hoyt, when the activities of the Manson Family got too overwhelming for them. Manson followed them, but when he caught up with them, they were in a public place with other people around, so all he did was give them bus fare to Los Angeles. Here's a link to a page about Barbara Hoyt:
    http://charliesfamily.tripod.com/barbara.html
    According to this page, she is still alive - it sounds like she and Sherry may have separated when they got to Los Angeles.

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    Sherry Doe: info from Book "Helter Skelter"

    My first post about "Sherry" Doe was basically right out of the Doenetwork files. Note that it includes as a source a book titled "Helter Skelter". That book was written by Vincent Bugliosi and Curt Gentry and was first published in November 1974.

    Bugliosi was Deputy District Attorney for Los Angles County, and he prosecuted Charles Manson and some of his "Family" for what was called the Tate Murders and LaBianca Murders. Those murders took place on 8 and 9 August, 1969 respectively.

    Bugliosi tells the story of Charles Manson and his followers, and he mentions many other murders connected with or attributed to them. It is Bugliosi who wrote of the finding of this unknown girl, who was officially listed as Jane Doe Number 59. Here is what he says about her in "Helter Skelter" (page 646):

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    (quote) On November 16, 1969, the body of a young girl was found dumped over an embankment at Mulholland and Bowmont Drive near Laurel Canyon, in almost the same spot where Marina Habe's body was found.

    A brunette in her late teens, five feet nine, 115 pounds, she had been stabbed 157 times in the chest and throat. Ruby Pearl remembered seeing the girl with the Family at Spahn (ranch), and thought her name was "Sherry".

    Though the Manson girls traded aliases often, LASO (Los Angles Sheriff Office) was able to identify only one Sherry, Sherry Ann Cooper, aka Simi Valley Sherri. She had fled Barker Ranch at the same time as Barbara Hoyt and was, fortunately , still alive. The victim, who had been dead less than a day, became Jane Doe 59 in police files. Her identity is still unknown. (unquote)
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    Note 1, the girl named Marina Habe was the seventeen year old daughter of writer Hans Habe. She was abducted at about 3:30 AM on 30 December, 1968 outside the West Hollywood home of her mother and her body was found on New Years day 1969 off Mulholland near Bowmont Drive. Cause of death was multiple stab wounds in the neck and chest.

    Note 2, Ruby Pearl was a former Circus horse rider who had been working as sort of Ranch Manager for 81 year old George Spahn. She hired and fired ranch hands and wranglers, and ran the stables. According to Bugliosi, she IDENTIFIED Jane Doe Number 59 as a girl whom she had seen at the Spahn Ranch, and she thought that the girl went by the name Sherry.

    Bugliosi states incorrectly that the ONLY girl named Sherry was Sherry Ann Cooper who ran away with Barbara Hoyt (aka Barbara Rosenburg).
    According to Barabara, Manson intended to kill them, but instead caught up with them at a restaurant and gave them $20 bus fare. It is entirely possible that he ordered his Family to kill these girls. Barbara Hoyt agreed to cooperate with prosecutors and the Manson Family did indeed try to kill her by giving her a poisoned hamburger.

    Two observations here:

    First, Bugliosi never met or spoke with this Sherry Ann Cooper. If he had, he would have mentioned it and certainly would have tried to get her to corroborate the testimony of Barbara Hoyt. So his statement that she was "fortunately, still alive" is at best second hand hearsay.

    Second, there WAS another Sherry at the Spahn Ranch and Bugliosi, himself includes her in "Helter Skelter". She went by "Sherry Andrews" which was an alias. Her real name was Claudia Leigh Smith, who was arrested and detained with others for a short time on 2 October 1969 when police raided the isolated Barker Ranch.

    I have no further information on either of these two girls. It is possible that "Sherry Doe" is one of them, or maybe neither. But it is very possible and likely that she was associated with the Manson Family in some way.

    Manson himself claimed 35 murders, and other Family members estimate as many. Some of the victims were just teenagers like most of the Family Members. The manner of death is certainly similar to many of the Manson Murders.

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    Connections...

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    ... Here is what he says about her in "Helter Skelter" (page 646):...

    (quote) On November 16, 1969, the body of a young girl was found dumped over an embankment at Mulholland and Bowmont Drive near Laurel Canyon, in almost the same spot where Marina Habe's body was found.

    A brunette in her late teens, five feet nine, 115 pounds, she had been stabbed 157 times in the chest and throat. Ruby Pearl remembered seeing the girl with the Family at Spahn (ranch), and thought her name was "Sherry"....

    Note 1, the girl named Marina Habe was the seventeen year old daughter of writer Hans Habe. She was abducted at about 3:30 AM on 30 December, 1968 outside the West Hollywood home of her mother and her body was found on New Years day 1969 off Mulholland near Bowmont Drive. Cause of death was multiple stab wounds in the neck and chest.
    ....
    Setting aside for a moment, the possibility that the Manson Family was involved in this girl's murder;

    There seems to be a strong connection between "Sherry Doe's" murder and that of Marina Habe. Both were killed in the same manner and then their bodies dumped in the same place.

    There are a number of other similar unsolved cases, and there were several known and yet unknown serial killers in California around that same time. Perhaps some connections can still be made.

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    Photos of Two Manson Family "Sherry's"

    I have not been able to positively determine what became of the two girls who used the name "Sherry" and who lived with the Manson Family at the Spahn and Barker Ranches in 1969. I did, however, find a website which contains a lot of information, including mug shots of both girls.

    If you click on the link below, you should see the two girls photos side by side at the top of the screen. You can then compare their photos with the composite of "Sherry Doe" in the link in an above post.

    Photo on left is:
    Sherry Ann Cooper
    birth dates given: 5-17-49 / 8-1-49 / 5-19-52 (Spahn Ranch Raid)
    Other names used: Simi Valley Sherri or Sherry, Sherry, Ruthie, Ruth Ann Heuvelhurst (Spahn Ranch Raid)

    Photo on right is:
    Claudia Leigh Smith, born 8-11-1950
    aliases:
    Collie
    Beth Tracy
    Sherry Andrews
    Claudia Andrews
    married William Cole, (aka Bill Vance)

    Note that it is possible that all the names are aliases. The website has a listing of all known Manson Family members and a list of aliases used. Family Members switched identities with eachother and used stolen ID's and credit cards.

    Source:

    CharlieManson.Com - Manson Family Mugshots

    LINK:

    http://www.charliemanson.com/mugshots/mug-4.htm

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    I did a side-by-side. I dunno. What does anybody think? I'm not very good at identifying people.


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    Side by side...

    Quote Originally Posted by raindrops300 View Post
    I did a side-by-side. I dunno. What does anybody think? I'm not very good at identifying people.

    Thanks for the side-by-side comparison. Makes it a bit easier to see. There are similarities between Sherry Ann Cooper and "Sherry Doe", such as hair, mouth, and nose. But I also see similar points when comparing the Doe drawing with the photo of Claudia Leigh Smith (aka Sherry Andrews)

    Unfortunately, I do not have other information such as height, weight, hair and eye color for the two Manson "Sherrys".

    The sad thing is that this girl likely had parents or family somewhere, who have never known what became of her.

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    1969 News Article about the Murder of Marina Habe

    Some believe that Marina Habe was a victim of the Zodiac Killer. Others think that she was murdered by members of the Manson Family, possibly by Tex Watson. Marina's body was found in an area where "Sherry Doe" would be found.

    Here is a news story about the murder of Marina Habe - a case which remains unsolved.

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    Chicago Tribune

    Purse Leads Police to Co-Ed's Body - Strangers Seen By Mother

    Hollywood, Cal. Jan 1 (1969)

    Marina Elizabeth Habe, 17, co-ed daughter of author Hans Habe and actress Eloise Hardt, was found slain this afternoon in a ravine off Mulholland Drive, a few miles west of her home.

    Her body was found a little more than two days after she was abducted from her West Hollywood home as her mother watched from the front window.

    She had been stabbed a number of times. No murder weapon was found, police said.

    Detectives indicated they had clews to the identity of her killers.

    Find Girl's Purse

    Police found the body after a sightseeing couple found the slain girl's purse on the road. A search of the area, a desolate section at least a half mile from the nearest home, was made by police on foot. Miss Habe's body was found two hours later.

    She was lying on her back, fully clothed, under heavy brush, police said. An autopsy was performed, and police sought to learn if she had been sexually assulted.

    She was last seen alive when she left a friend's house at 3:15 am Monday. Her mother said she was awakened at 3:35 by the sound of a loud auto exhaust and went to the front window. Her daughter's auto was in the driveway. Parked alongside was a black sedan and between the autos stood a man.

    Stranger Shouts "Go!"

    The girl's mother said the black car backed out of the driveway and the strange shouted "Go!" to the driver before getting into the car, which sped west.

    Miss Hardt said that she did not see her daughter at this time.

    The girl's father, author of "Christopher and his Father", "The Mission", and "A Thousand Shall Fall", reportedly was on his way here from his home in Zurich, Switzerland.

    The girl's mother, divorced from Habe and remarried, has appeared in several movies and television shows. Her most recent film was "Games" with Simone Signoret.

    FBI is Informed

    The Federal Bureau of Investigation was informed immediately after the abduction, but did not actively participate in the search for the co-ed.

    Miss Habe, 113 pounds with brown hair and blue eyes, was on vacation from the University of Hawaii. She drove her car Sunday afternoon to the Sunset Boulevard home of John Hornburg, 22.

    Hornburg told police they met two other couples in a cafe. She left Hornburg's home at 3:15 am in her own car to return home. A second purse, containing a small amount of money was found in her small foreign sports car left in the driveway of her home.

    Miss Habe was graduated from University High School in West Los Angeles in May.

    Friends Since Childhood

    According to her family, she and Hornburg were not romantically involved, but had been friends since childhood. It was said that she had been dating another.

    Habe, 57, is an Austrian who laid aside a career as a journalist to fight the Nazis in World War Two, first with the 21st Infantry of foreign volunteers in the French Army, and after the fall of France, with the American Army.
    He won numerous combat decorations and wrote a book about his war experiences, "A Thousand Shall Fall".

    He formerly edited the Vienna Newspaper "Der Morgen" and covered the League of Nations before World War II.


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    This is a scan of an article that ran in a local newspaper at the time:

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7qr-CWmQeb...600-h/jd69.jpg

    I was unable to get the image to appear, so the link is above.
    Last edited by Ambercat; 04-06-2011 at 06:21 PM. Reason: I couldn't get the image to show

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    Frederick Daily Leader Article

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Setting aside for a moment, the possibility that the Manson Family was involved in this girl's murder;

    There seems to be a strong connection between "Sherry Doe's" murder and that of Marina Habe. Both were killed in the same manner and then their bodies dumped in the same place.

    There are a number of other similar unsolved cases, and there were several known and yet unknown serial killers in California around that same time. Perhaps some connections can still be made.
    This article from the Frederick Daily Leader on December 3, 1969 makes mention of both Marina Habe and [extremely briefly] "Sherry Doe."
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...e+murder&hl=en

    This article from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette is from when Ms. Habe's body was found (about 11 months prior to Sherry Doe's murder)
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...e+murder&hl=en

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    There are a lot of variables (Ms. Egnoski's height and eye color aren't listed, both of which would be extremely helpful to determine if she is Sherry Doe), but if they are consistent (which is a really big "IF"), I think Ruth Egnoski might be a possibility --
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/egnoski_ruth.html

    The photo is from 1966, which is long enough ago for her have let her hair grow and relocate to California. Reportedly, she took a bus from Wisconsin to Chicago in 1966 and that was when she was last seen.

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    The NamUs listing for Sherry Doe is
    https://identifyus.org/cases/2997
    No rule-outs are listed, her DNA is complete and entered.

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    Here's another artist's sketch of Sherry Doe, along with a newspaper article about the discovery:


    Source:
    http://truthontatelabianca.com/topic...m-and-article/

    And here's a you-tube video of "Simi Valley Sherry", taken after Manson was arrested.

    Charles Manson Family Member Simi Valley Sherri/ Danny DeCarlo Interviewed Backporch Tapes - YouTube

    They look similar, but SVS might have more chin than Sherry Cooper, but aside from that, they look like the same person. If they aren't the same Sherry, Sherry Cooper could be Sherry Doe.

    As for SVS, It is not clear when this video was taken. Manson was arrested on October 12, 1969. Sherry Doe's body was found on November 16, 1969. This video was taken after Manson was arrested, so for SVS to be Sherry Doe, the video would have had to have been taken sometime during the one month period from 12-Oct-69 to early November 1969. The portion of the video featuring Vincent Bugliosi was taken after the trial (he alludes to interviewing Danny "before the trial"). And SVS speaks of Manson being in prison, so it appears that she would have been alive well beyond the time of Sherry Doe's death.

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