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    Robert Murat New Details

    By John Kelly Updated:06:57, Friday January 04, 2008

    An Irish tourist who saw someone carrying a child in a blanket on the night Madeleine McCann disappeared insists that the mystery man was not Robert Murat.

    Robert Murat

    Martin Smith, from Drogheda in Co Louth, was on holiday in Praia Da Luz with his family when they bumped into the man just before 10pm on May 3 last year.
    The Smith family's suspicions were aroused because the man made no response when they asked if the barefoot child was asleep.
    "He just put his head down and averted his eyes, which is very unusual in a tourist town at such a quiet time of the year," said Mr Smith.
    Initially the Smith family thought nothing more of the encounter - and even the next day when the story broke they still didn't make the connection.
    "We were home two weeks when my son rang me up and asked was he dreaming or did we meet a man carrying a child the night Madeleine was taken," said Mr Smith.
    "We all remembered the same recollection, and I felt we should report it to the police.

    "We've all been beating ourselves up that we should have made the link sooner, if only we'd remembered the next day.
    "But the Portuguese police said you see these things on holiday all the time."
    The Smiths did contact the Portuguese police once they had returned to Ireland, but say they have had no contact with the officers investigating the case since May last year.
    "I rang the Portuguese police and they took a statement from me on the phone," said Mr Smith.
    "They asked me to make a statement to the Gardai, which I did, and two days later Leicestershire police got on to us.
    "My eldest son, Peter, my youngest daughter, Aoife, and I then flew to Luz to make a statement. They didn't seem to be the most efficient police you ever came across - and that was the last time we had any contact with the investigation.
    Madeleine McCann is still missing

    "I don't know if this information will help the McCanns, but anything we can do to help try to solve it, we will.
    "We were looking at all the commotion on Sky News and we really felt quite helpless. We had two grandchildren with us at the time and it had a terrible effect on them - they all wanted to sleep in the same room as us."
    But Mr Smith is certain that the man he and his family saw that night was not Robert Murat, who is still officially an "arguido" in the Madeleine McCann investigation.
    "I told police it was definitely not him because the man wasn't as big as Murat - I think I would have recognised him because I'd met him several times previously.
    "He was wearing beige trousers and a darker top. We all put him in his early 40s and I didn't think he was Portuguese."
    Mr Smith's sighting is similar to the one reported by Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCann family.
    A spokesman for the McCanns said detectives from the Spanish agency hired to investigate the case are now hoping to speak to the Smiths.
    Retired Mr Smith, 58, does not wish to appear on camera in order to protect his family from media intrusion.
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    They didn't make the connection the next day when the story broke????

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin walkerdine View Post
    By John Kelly Updated:06:57, Friday January 04, 2008

    An Irish tourist who saw someone carrying a child in a blanket on the night Madeleine McCann disappeared insists that the mystery man was not Robert Murat.

    Robert Murat

    Martin Smith, from Drogheda in Co Louth, was on holiday in Praia Da Luz with his family when they bumped into the man just before 10pm on May 3 last year.
    ~snip~
    Hey Martin,

    We have a great thread titled Media Links that would be a better place for pasting news stories that you find. Even the General Discussion thread would be a better place rather than opening up new threads for a single news story. Unless, of course, it is a HUGE breaking news type story.

    Thanks for helping us keep the number of threads to a minimum in order to avoid confusion.

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    This is old news. This story first broke in May sometime, I don't remember exactly when. I remember the Irishman being quoted as saying he knew Murat and that the man carrying the child was definitely NOT Murat.

    I think they are recirculating the news to offset the other reported sitings of Murat near the apartment that night. However, I agree with a couple of the other posters here, and ask -- would the criminal return to the scene of the crime within a matter of minutes? Would 30 minutes have been long enough for him to have walked down to the beach and back, doing what ever he did with Maddie in the same span of time?

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    Forgive me for asking probably a rhetorical question, but does anyone know exactly when Tanner gave her final description of Bundleman complete with clothing description? I know first he was egg man, then bundleman, then man carrying a child. Did she change her description to reflect Smith's? (Since his info was made public in May). If so, I bet she is kicking herself for shareing in the time line so quickly...that would be a little harder to take back...and still gel with the rest of the groups statements.

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    You forgot Jane's description for the sketch of "Slicked-back-hair --Dancing-with-the-Stars" man.

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    I don't understand why the Smith's had to ask themselves if they were dreaming when remembering seeing a man carrying a child and especially not immediately remembering and connecting when hearing of Madeline's disappearance. Why didn't any of these people remember, become alarmed, and tell the McCann's as soon as they heard! They must all be sort of slow or didn't want to get involved or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txsvicki View Post
    I don't understand why the Smith's had to ask themselves if they were dreaming when remembering seeing a man carrying a child and especially not immediately remembering and connecting when hearing of Madeline's disappearance. Why didn't any of these people remember, become alarmed, and tell the McCann's as soon as they heard! They must all be sort of slow or didn't want to get involved or something.
    It is odd, isn't it?

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    why is there an advertisement in the first post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by txsvicki View Post
    I don't understand why the Smith's had to ask themselves if they were dreaming when remembering seeing a man carrying a child and especially not immediately remembering and connecting when hearing of Madeline's disappearance. Why didn't any of these people remember, become alarmed, and tell the McCann's as soon as they heard! They must all be sort of slow or didn't want to get involved or something.

    I think it is because no one knew. The McCanns only alerted the British press...while in the same breath condemning the PLE. ( less than 2 hours after the "abduction").


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    Quote Originally Posted by iNTERESTEDWOMAN View Post
    Forgive me for asking probably a rhetorical question, but does anyone know exactly when Tanner gave her final description of Bundleman complete with clothing description? I know first he was egg man, then bundleman, then man carrying a child. Did she change her description to reflect Smith's? (Since his info was made public in May). If so, I bet she is kicking herself for shareing in the time line so quickly...that would be a little harder to take back...and still gel with the rest of the groups statements.
    The new pic was released last October:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...199701,00.html

    And I agree with colomom that it would be nice if martin would please post on the regular threads and only start a new one if it is something really new. Thanks. That's just a way to keep news and discussion on a few threads instead of having a discussion that is choppy and hard to follow on five threads.

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    Question

    Why has there been no report of what the Irish family thinks of the photofits????????

    They "almost bumped" into a man carrying a child and they thought it was somewhat odd the man did not respond when they asked if the child was sleeping! They saw the man, they talked to him. At a minimum they should be able to give some input as to what that man looked like

    How come no one has "reportedly" checked with them to confirm the sketches?

    Hmmmmmmmm - curiouser and curiouser.......

    Salem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    Why has there been no report of what the Irish family thinks of the photofits????????

    They "almost bumped" into a man carrying a child and they thought it was somewhat odd the man did not respond when they asked if the child was sleeping! They saw the man, they talked to him. At a minimum they should be able to give some input as to what that man looked like

    How come no one has "reportedly" checked with them to confirm the sketches?

    Hmmmmmmmm - curiouser and curiouser.......

    Salem

    Maybe that was done when the family flew to Luz and gave the description in person to the Portuguese police. The article was a bit sketchy on the details of the actual conversations with the police.

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    Robert Murat marries

    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...rried-on-beach

    Congratulations to them both and im so pleased they have been able to move on from the horrors of the past couple of years.

    Horrors that they should never have had to endure Shame on the friends of the McCanns who falsely who falsely accused him
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    Very glad that Murat can find happiness now after the nightmare that the McCanns & friends put him through!

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