View Poll Results: Have you donated to the Find Madeleine Fund

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  • NO- Never have, and never will

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  • Yes- I gave, and will continue to give until she is found

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    Have you donated to "The Fund"

    It would be interesting to see how many people here at WS have actually donated to the Find Madeleine Fund.


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    Quote Originally Posted by iNTERESTEDWOMAN View Post
    It would be interesting to see how many people here at WS have actually donated to the Find Madeleine Fund.

    Me donate to this fund? Has hell frozen over?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trino View Post
    Me donate to this fund? Has hell frozen over?
    It all turns my tummy...I voted NO-never have and never will!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trino View Post
    Me donate to this fund? Has hell frozen over?
    Close to my reaction....hell no!!
    Last edited by Rino; 01-10-2008 at 12:26 PM.


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    Nope. I have thought from the beginning that the parents were at fault. At the very least the endangered their children by leaving them alone, but I think it went much further than that.


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    No - by the time I heard about the fund, they already had wealthy doners like Richard Branson and J. K. Rowling.

    I didn't understand then, and really don't understand now, where all that money went. Posters don't cost millions of dollars.


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    Wink

    Both of them have good jobs (well did).
    I don't think they are hurting for cash.
    Sounds like Drew Peterson, then everyone finds out he gave a ton of money to his grown son....

    Nope, no way I would...


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    Money is the root of all evil.

    I would look for a missing child, a campaign is not necessary.

    Maddie's face was broadcast all over the world. I can think of other ways of making sure people don't forget about her without taking people's money to pay my mortgage.

    Never have....never will.


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    Quote Originally Posted by colomom View Post
    Money is the root of all evil.

    I would look for a missing child, a campaign is not necessary.

    Maddie's face was broadcast all over the world. I can think of other ways of making sure people don't forget about her without taking people's money to pay my mortgage.

    Never have....never will.
    LOVE of money is the root of all evil.


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    I'm loving this money discussion! This has always been one of the most bizarre aspects of this case in my mind.

    The Madeline fund was incorporated on May 17th IIRC. Barely 15 days after Maddie went missing -- boggled my mind. The truth of the matter is that I have no problem giving even when the money I give goes to support the parents while they are off work searching for their child. I don't have a lost child, but if I did, I think I would find it very difficult to go to work every day and try to act normal. I would appreciate any money I received that would allow me to skip work and concentrate on finding my child. So I can understand needing money to support yourself after any vacation or sick pay runs out.

    HOWEVER - setting up a fund? With managers? TWO WEEKs after your child disappears? And you know it takes time to get that done, so they were working on this fund within a weeks time. That makes no sense to me. I can not figure out how the people in Maddie's family thought it was more important to set up some "limited liability company" to receive donations than it was to find her.

    Then there is the cost of a Campaign Manager. Not an inexpensive employee. Did the Ramseys have press agents? Again - boggled my mind. WHY, WHY, WHY, do the parents of a missing child need a publicity manager? WHY? I don't get it. You go on TV, you talk to any media outlet you can - you tell the truth, over and over again and you send loving messages to your child in the hopes that he/she will hear them. How does that take a "spokesperson"?

    I don't get it......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    I'm loving this money discussion! This has always been one of the most bizarre aspects of this case in my mind.

    The Madeline fund was incorporated on May 17th IIRC. Barely 15 days after Maddie went missing -- boggled my mind. The truth of the matter is that I have no problem giving even when the money I give goes to support the parents while they are off work searching for their child. I don't have a lost child, but if I did, I think I would find it very difficult to go to work every day and try to act normal. I would appreciate any money I received that would allow me to skip work and concentrate on finding my child. So I can understand needing money to support yourself after any vacation or sick pay runs out.

    HOWEVER - setting up a fund? With managers? TWO WEEKs after your child disappears? And you know it takes time to get that done, so they were working on this fund within a weeks time. That makes no sense to me. I can not figure out how the people in Maddie's family thought it was more important to set up some "limited liability company" to receive donations than it was to find her.

    Then there is the cost of a Campaign Manager. Not an inexpensive employee. Did the Ramseys have press agents? Again - boggled my mind. WHY, WHY, WHY, do the parents of a missing child need a publicity manager? WHY? I don't get it. You go on TV, you talk to any media outlet you can - you tell the truth, over and over again and you send loving messages to your child in the hopes that he/she will hear them. How does that take a "spokesperson"?

    I don't get it...... Salem
    Maybe you actually DO get it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trino View Post
    Maybe you actually DO get it.
    Exactly.

    If I was a parent in that horrible situation, I would not want to deal with anyone except my family and the police, and money would be the last thing on my mind.

    But look - they called the media before they called the police. So there you go.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ThoughtFox View Post
    Exactly.

    If I was a parent in that horrible situation, I would not want to deal with anyone except my family and the police, and money would be the last thing on my mind.

    But look - they called the media before they called the police. So there you go.
    are you sure they called the media first - where did you get that from ? To me that is just one of those internet / blog rumours that suddenly becomes fact - one of things that infuriiates me the most about this case


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    Quote Originally Posted by gord View Post
    are you sure they called the media first - where did you get that from ? To me that is just one of those internet / blog rumours that suddenly becomes fact - one of things that infuriiates me the most about this case
    I will try to dig up the reference, but what actually happened was that Gerry called his friend from University days--the one who works in the PM's office...and that friend called a contact at Sky News.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gord View Post
    are you sure they called the media first - where did you get that from ? To me that is just one of those internet / blog rumours that suddenly becomes fact - one of things that infuriiates me the most about this case
    No, Gordon, it is not just a rumor, but a report that goes back to the first week Maddie went missing. And I'm actually glad you asked me this, because I didn't want to answer your question without some research, and I saved every link to what I found so that no one will ever think it is "just a rumor" again.

    First of all, it is true that many months after the disappearance, Sky News reporter Ian Woods denied that the McCanns called them directly on the night of the disappearance.
    http://video.aol.com/video-detail/ia...first/68346603

    But what Ian Woods does say is that a "friend" of the McCanns called GMTV to set up an interview for the next morning by 8 a.m. That "friend" was Jill Renwick, and what she said to GMTV is in this article:
    http://www.mccannfiles.com/id31.html

    Jill Renwick, a family friend, told GMTV at 7:45am, on the morning of 04 May, that the distraught parents were certain that Madeline had been abducted. "They were just watching the hotel room and going back every half-hour."

    She said the parents went out about 8pm, checked on the children at 9pm and then when they "went back in at 10pm she was gone".

    Ms Renwick said: "Poor Kate and Gerry don't know where to turn. She's obviously been taken as she couldn't have gone out on her own and the shutters had been forced open."

    "The shutters had been broken open and they've gone into the room and taken her."

    Speaking to the BBC later, Ms Renwick said the McCanns, who had been holidaying with three other British families, had felt let down by police in Portugal. "I spoke to them this morning and they said the police had done nothing overnight and they felt as if they'd been left on their own. They just don't know where to turn."

    However, the manager at the Mark Warner resort, John Hill said the police had been doing all they could. He said around 60 staff and guests at the complex had searched until 4.30am while police notified border police, Spanish police and airports.
    Notice that even though the search for Maddie had barely begun, the McCanns were already feeling "let down" by the police, as if it was the fault of the police that their daughter was missing. So they had Jill Renwick ranting to both GMTV and the BBC by 7:45 the next morning that the police weren't doing enough. I find that odd in the extreme.

    So supposedly, according to Ian Woods, those interviews by Renwick were the "first time" that Sky News heard about Maddie. However they apparently didn't check Google News . . .

    A blogger named "Joana Morais" noticed that a newspaper article appeared overnight in the British Press - the Telegraph - talking about Madeleine. Who called them with specific information? No one knows for sure, but the Telegraph story was supposedly in the paper by 12 a.m., just two hours after Maddie disappeared.

    Blog

    Check the time and date:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/ma...ortugal104.xml

    Three year-old feared abducted in Portugal
    By staff and agencies
    Last Updated: 12:01am BST 04/05/2007

    A three-year-old British girl has gone missing while on a family holiday in Portugal, the Foreign Office said today.

    Portuguese police are investigating the disappearance from a holiday complex in Praia da Luz in the western Algarve.

    A Foreign Office spokesman said that he understood the girl's parents had gone to have dinner once their children were asleep last night, but returned to check on them only to find the girl had gone missing.
    So that report comes from the Foreign Office just two hours after Maddie went missing - that's not alot of time for a report to get out.

    The blogger made the point of noticing that Portugal and Britain are in the same time zone, and I think that's significant.

    Okay - another point:

    We have three different articles from that first week that mention John Corner, the godfather of the Twins. Kate called him immediately on the night Maddie went missing, and he has been highly involved in everything. He owns a Media company. He is quoted in three early articles saying that he talked to Kate immediately after Madeleine disappeared:
    http://www.mccannfiles.com/id31.html

    Jon Corner, founder of Liverpool-based River Media, is godfather to the McCann’s twins and his wife has known Mrs McCann since they were both three. The co-founder of city centre-based River Media, and a father-of-three himself, said: “Kate phoned me in the early hours totally devastated."


    River Media Company

    Products and Services
    TV and Film - Production and Post Production


    Now - he may not be a famous newsman, and he may not be a journalist, but he is a Media Specialist who deals with "TV and Film," and he is probably the person who alerted some of the media. So we don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to think that Kate might have known good and well that this man might give their story to the media right away.

    John Corner also shot a video diary of the McCanns for a Panorama Special about the "predator" who stole Maddie:
    http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/...4375-20125768/

    He is not an objective journalist at all, but someone involved with the spin due to his connection with the family from the very first night.

    The McCanns seemed to be on the phone all night long to many, many people. None of us here can know for sure that they didn't call some media. We know they called a Corner. We know that Jill Renwick had an interview by the next morning. So what is the difference? The story was out really fast, and Kate was already spinning it her own way, with broken shutters and abductors and police who weren't doing anything. And that's why I don't trust what she said that night.


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