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    More problems caused by illegal immigration

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...do.231a23e.htm

    from the article:
    <According to interview notes, Tornado officials told investigators that Mr. Tapia couldn't speak English and would need a translator.
    An Arkansas Highway Patrol investigator told them "it was illegal for the company to use a driver who cannot read and speak the English language sufficiently to converse with the public," the notes said. "Immediately, the company official and driver Tapia stated he could speak and understand English.">

    typical.

    once again.. even with all the problems here, there is a REASON that i choose to live in the US and not mexico. we USED to have labor laws that meant something... but apparently.. since we are more interested in getting cheap slave labor these days and not 'offending' anyone... than preserving our quality of life... that's all going down the toilet. now we have the mexican way of life being imported here... to the point where it becomes a safety issue and affects everyone's quality of life.


    what if this was YOUR family who was killed by this driver??? would it be an important issue then??

    but since no one who has any power gives a rat's arse about the illegal immigration problem,, then get ready for more of the same, folks.

    btw... the reason this is an 'ILLEGAL' immigration problem is obvious.. i don't have to explain myself. the words 'illegal' and 'immigration' have become blurred these days. we can assume that most mexican immigrants are illegal, which they are.

    The priority of elected officials should be American citizens, not corporations or illegal aliens!!!!

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    Unfortunately your link leads me to: PAGE NOT FOUND.

    and this means i don't know which company was employing. and what the job was. or what the story is about, apart from illegals being employed.

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    sorry about that... the article was just there a while ago. try this one:
    http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.a...&nav=menu192_2

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    Reread the article published. This bus company catered to mainly Hispanics, many who returned to Mexico after the accident, and some who did not speak English. The drugs the driver is said to have had in his system most likely came from Mexico. The driver was from Texas with what appears to have past driving violations.

    This has nothing to do with illegal immigrants on any level.
    "I went to the bank and asked to borrow a cup of money. They said, "What for?". I said, "I'm going to buy some sugar".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Data05 View Post
    Reread the article published. This bus company catered to mainly Hispanics, many who returned to Mexico after the accident, and some who did not speak English. The drugs the driver is said to have had in his system most likely came from Mexico. The driver was from Texas with what appears to have past driving violations.

    This has nothing to do with illegal immigrants on any level.
    You're absolutely right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Data05 View Post
    Reread the article published. This bus company catered to mainly Hispanics, many who returned to Mexico after the accident, and some who did not speak English. The drugs the driver is said to have had in his system most likely came from Mexico. The driver was from Texas with what appears to have past driving violations.

    This has nothing to do with illegal immigrants on any level.
    Yes you are right this has nothing to do with illegal immigrants. Reb, please take your anger somewhere else about illegal immigrants. I am Mexican and am very offended that you can assume all MEXICANS are ILLEGAL. Should we post it on our foreheads, legal or illegal. Exactly what you said is what leads to racial profiling and hatred for a whole race. If you want to discuss this it should be in the political thread anyway.

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    Imthemom, I'm not Mexican but I'm an immigrant (I refuse to say 'legal immigrant' because illegals are not truly immigrants IMO, so 'immigrant' automatically means 'legal' in my book) and this kind of anger even annoys the hey out of me. It also always makes me want to post 16 things that born and bred Americans did... but I don't have to, because it's all already here.

    I am not trying to start something here, but I genuinly wonder about this whenever someone goes off about 'illegals': they almost always are talking about 'Mexicans', like the two words are interchangeable. What I am genuinly curious about, Reb and everyone who feels the same way, how are your feelings about illegal Europeans? Like Germans and French and Irish? Many many bars and other establishments in NYC for example are full of illegal workers from Ireland, who come over to try their luck and hope to gain some kind of legal status along the way (which most never get so they remain illegal). My gut feeling is, if you're against illegals you're against all of them, yet I only hear people mouthing off about Mexicans. What gives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JanetElaine View Post
    Imthemom, I'm not Mexican but I'm an immigrant (I refuse to say 'legal immigrant' because illegals are not truly immigrants IMO, so 'immigrant' automatically means 'legal' in my book) and this kind of anger even annoys the hey out of me. It also always makes me want to post 16 things that born and bred Americans did... but I don't have to, because it's all already here.

    I am not trying to start something here, but I genuinly wonder about this whenever someone goes off about 'illegals': they almost always are talking about 'Mexicans', like the two words are interchangeable. What I am genuinly curious about, Reb and everyone who feels the same way, how are your feelings about illegal Europeans? Like Germans and French and Irish? Many many bars and other establishments in NYC for example are full of illegal workers from Ireland, who come over to try their luck and hope to gain some kind of legal status along the way (which most never get so they remain illegal). My gut feeling is, if you're against illegals you're against all of them, yet I only hear people mouthing off about Mexicans. What gives?
    This is a great point! It is like when people talk about securing the border. Why don't they worry about securing Canada. It is because they want to keep those people out, meaning Mexicans. We aren't worried about terrorist or our politicians would be talking about securing all our borders. There are many people illegal here from Canada also but if they are white and speak English, I guess some think it is okay? Homeland security is cracking down on illegal Mexican immigrants mostly, they have yet to do a dang thing about terrorism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imthemom View Post
    Homeland security is cracking down on illegal Mexican immigrants mostly, they have yet to do a dang thing about terrorism.
    What exactly do you want them to do about terrorism that they aren't currently doing?

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    I just have to say this and I am not being a smart alec. This has nothing to do with illegal immigration either. I just don't want to have to press #1 if I speak English. I'm calling my telephone company and I am in the US. Why do I have to push a number? Why don't I push #3 for Vietnamese, and #4 for German and #5 for French. Just asking.


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    There must be more immigrants here, legal or not, from Mexico since so many of our instructions and phone messages are in Spanish, even on grocery products now. Maybe it depends what part of country you're in, but around here I never see many other races that are from across the seas. Most of them can't even get here that easily. I know of a girl from Israel who had to pay thousands of dollars just to be able to marry an American and he had to prove that he could support her. Same with another who married a Chinese woman. Most people can't just come over here and decide to stay as easily as those from Mexico since it's so close and it's much harder to bring any of their family over. If I could, I'd immigrate over to somewere in Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txsvicki View Post
    There must be more immigrants here, legal or not, from Mexico since so many of our instructions and phone messages are in Spanish, even on grocery products now. Maybe it depends what part of country you're in, but around here I never see many other races that are from across the seas. Most of them can't even get here that easily. I know of a girl from Israel who had to pay thousands of dollars just to be able to marry an American and he had to prove that he could support her. Same with another who married a Chinese woman. Most people can't just come over here and decide to stay as easily as those from Mexico since it's so close and it's much harder to bring any of their family over. If I could, I'd immigrate over to somewere in Europe.
    I just wanted to comment that lots of people speak Spanish from many countries including to the South of us, Honduras, Guatamala, Chile. There are many people here legally and illegally from these countries not just Mexico. So that is why it is so upsetting to Mexicans who are profiled racially. A cop is not likely to pull over a white person that speaks English and ask them for their papers. Also my father came her illegally as did my husband. We have already spent close to 15,000 on attorneys and fees and are still waiting for a court date next month. So it is not cheap for them to stay here and stay here easily if they really want to become legal. My husband came here when he was 15 not intending to stay, just to work and go back home. We met when I was 16 and he was 17. We have two children and have been togeter for 10 years. We do agree the borders need to be secured, there needs to be work programs, they need to speak English. We don't agree with the immigrants marching with Mexican flags, this is American and many other Mexican people agree with us. The thing with Spanish signs and press 1 for Spanish is to sell products, this is the sellers who is accomodating people to not have to learn English. If they wouldn't do this, they would be forced to learn English, at least a little bit. SO there you go JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imthemom View Post
    So that is why it is so upsetting to Mexicans who are profiled racially. A cop is not likely to pull over a white person that speaks English and ask them for their papers. The thing with Spanish signs and press 1 for Spanish is to sell products, this is the sellers who is accomodating people to not have to learn English. If they wouldn't do this, they would be forced to learn English, at least a little bit. SO there you go JMO.
    I'mthemom, with all due respect it's upsetting to all minorities to be racially profiled weather they speak Spanish or not. I'm not doubting you that many businesses have the use of Spanish when you put a phone call through, but why blame others for people that don't want to learn to speak English? Why force someone to learn the language of the country in which they now reside? We've had an uproar in Philadelphia because a Italian American has put a sign in his window to order in English. The liberals are coming out of the woodwork and ready to crucify the man. His point being his ancestors didn't speak a lick of English when they got here yet they learned. Anymore it don't matter who I call weather they are selling something or not I get the Push #1 routine. I have many neighbors from Brazil, the Dominican, etc. though as you said it is not only Mexicans. I have great respect for you and your family for working so hard to achieve the American dream, and I can not say I understand your position as I have not had to go through any of your trials. Just wanted to add that so you know I am in no way criticizing you.

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    hot topic here !!! sizzle !


    more firewood.

    if LEGAL americans, of any race, would pick cotton and clean grease traps, and do highway roadside work without being in a chain gang, employers wouldn't be forced to hire illegal immigrants. Illegals will work twice as long, for half as much and won't cause trouble at work becuase they don't want to go back to wherever they came from.

    at one point, all of your ancestors (except maybe you imthemom) were illegal immigrants here, and instead of going back to their own damn country and fixing it, they stole this one and built a provisional government inside on land that didn't belong to them, and forced out the people who had legitimate historical claim to the land.

    if you don't like that its happening again, go back to europe and fix things over there.

    me, im part indian, part european, and i say we are all welcome here, as long you keep a job, don't hurt anyone, i don't care what your immigration status is.

    one last thing, most of the illegals i knew, if you gave them a flat rate for becoming legal, say , 5 thousand dollars, they'd pay it in a heartbeat. they want to be legal, they want to pay taxes, they want to be like everyone else.



    ~lightwaveryder~

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    yes, i was talking about illegals and i was talking about mexican illegals. they are the main cause of the big problems we are facing right now, in terms of immigration... health issues, labor issues, safety issues on the highways, crime, you name it. but those who don't see these problems either aren't affected by it personally (but just wait-- you will be).. or in a state of extreme denial.

    as for terrorism-- in a way i feel worry for our goverment.
    everyone b*tches they don't do enough... but then they try to do something.. everyone gets all up in arms about them taking away our freedoms.. so they're dammed (sic) if they do and dammed if they don't!
    well guess what... if we want more protection we're gonna have to say buh-bye to more of our freedoms... that's just the way it is, unfortunately. especially with all these pro-illegal immigration americans out there now... who are so in love with our hemorrhaging borders, and would be perfectly happy to see america turn into the United States of Mexico!

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