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    OK, this is what I had said..lol

    I'm not completely ruling Debra out based on the fact that the picture on her Charley Project page says it was circa 1976. I know for a fact that those estimates such as circa 1976 doesn't mean it was taken that exact year. For example on Kim Cheatham's Charley Project page it has 3 images of her and it says circa 1989 under them. Well, I know for a fact that one of those photos was taken in 1987. It is pretty easy to estimate when the 1987 photo of Kim was taken because it was at her nephew's first birthday party. It's possible the estimate on Debra Kay Stewart's page is off a couple years. A lot of times pictures are taken and there isn't a notation on the back that says what year it was taken so family members are left having to decide when exactly a photo was taken. Sometimes that can be off a couple of years.

    I don't think Debra ran away but something happened to her. Her pages say foul play suspected and do not suggest that she ran away somewhere.

    So, I'm keeping Debra as a possible for now until it can be proven some other way that she is no longer a possible.

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    Me too, RKnowley. That picture of Debra could have been taken a significant time prior to her disappearance. When I take a look at a possible match I always try to rule that person out or in. The missing tooth is just something to note. I have a feeling that Debra isn't Princess, but feelings aren't facts. I am still keeping her as a possible match in my mind along with Anna and others.

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    I'd like to figure out how to find out if all these possibles have their DNA in CODIS and if they don't then find out a way to have their families contacted and get them to submit DNA to be checked against all UID's with their DNA available. It seems like with most the possibles that it doesn't list whether DNA is available or not.

    I really don't think that Debra is Princess Blue either but without knowing her dentals or having her DNA to check against Princess Blue's it's impossible to rule her out completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionRun View Post
    Me too, RKnowley. That picture of Debra could have been taken a significant time prior to her disappearance. When I take a look at a possible match I always try to rule that person out or in. The missing tooth is just something to note. I have a feeling that Debra isn't Princess, but feelings aren't facts. I am still keeping her as a possible match in my mind along with Anna and others.

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    I also hope that Elisa is found one day too. Such a hard thing for a family to have to go through

    Quote Originally Posted by LionRun View Post
    What a dedicated sister to be searching for all this time for Elisa. I hope and pray that Elisa is one day found. Thank you for letting us know, RKnowley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RKnowley View Post
    I'd like to figure out how to find out if all these possibles have their DNA in CODIS and if they don't then find out a way to have their families contacted and get them to submit DNA to be checked against all UID's with their DNA available. It seems like with most the possibles that it doesn't list whether DNA is available or not.

    I really don't think that Debra is Princess Blue either but without knowing her dentals or having her DNA to check against Princess Blue's it's impossible to rule her out completely.

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    Do you know if there is one contact we can find to refer families of the missing to get their DNA into CODIS? I wonder if Kelly can help us with this. I am thinking about referring all families I come across to do this if it hasn't already been done.

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    There's another gal who went missing in Austin, Texas 10 days after Debra Kay Stewart went missing. I wonder if the cases are connected? I will have to research that one. I know the girl below is most likely too tall to be Princess Blue but thought it was interesting the 2 (Debra & Jennifer) went missing at around the same time. It looks like Jennifer disappeared on her birthday

    Name: Jennifer Joyce Barton
    AKA: J.J. Barton
    Case Number: M9811002
    Case Type: Endangered - Foul Play Possible
    Last Seen in: Austin (Travis County)
    Last Seen on: 5/31/1976
    Height: 5' 7 "
    Weight: 120 lbs.
    Age Missing: 20
    Eye Color: Brown
    Hair Color: Brown
    Date of Birth: 5/31/1955
    Race: Black
    Sex: Female
    State Missing From: Texas
    Country Missing From: USA
    Circumstances: Ms. Barton has a light and freckled complexion and she has a scar on the calf of her right leg. She was last seen wearing a burgandy body suit, blue jeans and sandals.

    http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mp...2:36:03PM'

    From her doenetwork information:
    Circumstances of Disappearance
    On the day Barton disappeared, she and a friend were headed up 11th Street to see a movie. She was short of cash and stopped at a bar to get money from friends. She met two men in the bar and later left in their van with California license plates.
    A dropout from Reagan High School, Barton had a record of prostitution arrests. Friends said she had appeared distraught after a friend was killed in February, and her apartment was broken into shortly afterward.
    Foul play is possible.
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/535dftx.html

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    Good question as to whether or not the two cases are related. I don't see anything that jumps out at me. I think Jennifer's fate may have had something to do with leaving with the two men in a van with CA plates. Debra disappeared possibly where her car was found in south Austin. The areas are fairly near to each other. Their lifestyles seemed to be different, but we know little about the person(s) who may have been responsible for both women's' fate. I imagine it is possible that Jennifer ran away and no immediate harm came to her. But, she lived a life of risk so she was vulnerable.

    I didn't live in TX then, so I don't have any recollections of young girls'/women's' disappearances. And, I don't recall ever hearing any buzz about a possible serial killer. Austin is a fair size city especially if you include the metro area, yet we don't have a lot of unexplained disappearances. I am curious now, though.

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    Would like some thoughts on this lady. Is she a possible for Princess Blue? She is listed as bi-racial black/white/hispanic. I wonder how we could find out what kind of ring she wore on her right hand (3rd finger)?


    Pinkie Mae Davis-Herron
    Missing since January 1, 1979 from Del Valle, Travis County, Texas.
    Classification: Endangered Missing


    Vital Statistics
    • Date Of Birth: January 31, 1956
    • Age at Time of Disappearance: 23 years old
    • Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'3"; 120-130 lbs.
    • Distinguishing Characteristics: Bi-racial female (Black/White/Hispanic). Brown hair; hazel/brown eyes. Petite frame.
    • Jewelry: Wore a ring on the right hand 3rd finger
    • Dentals: Not available


    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Davis-Herron was last seen heading down to Tex Golden Nugget, a Motel in the neighborhood were she worked.
    Some friends saw her driving in that direction and she blew her horn at them and waved. She has never been seen again.


    Investigators
    If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
    Travis County Sheriff's Department
    Detective Jim Anderson
    512-854-3234

    Agency Case Number: 04-36882 NCIC Number: M-056167540
    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

    Source: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1506dftx.html

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    I think it is possible, but I don't think that Princess's recon resembles Pinkie. I have seen recons side by side with missing persons once they have been found, and sometimes the recons prove to have been way off.

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    Wow, Pinkie Mae DAVIS was only 14 yrs old when she got married in 1970 to HERRON. He was 29 yrs old.

    ETA: They divorced in 1975 and at that time had 2 children.


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    I emailed a very prominent forensic artist (she is the one who did the drawing of 'Baby Grace' AKA Riley Sawyers found in Galveston, Texas) about Princess Blue's case and asked her "Why are sketches sometimes done and not the reconstructions out of clay?" and also asked her "Do you feel that a facial reconstruction out of clay would have the best results in indentifying Princess Blue?"

    This was her response:

    I have had the best results doing reconstructions by simply drawing from the skull, just as was done with this case. The reason I would draw the reconstruction would not be the cost, or the extra supplies and time (which are considerable more). All us forensic artists would walk a hundred miles (with breaks and food) or whatever if it would solve some of these cases. but like I said, my absolute best results were done by drawing, as was done for this case (Princess Blue's case). If you remember the Baby Grace case in Galveston, I did that reconstruction, and it was a drawing.

    We all wish this case would get solved, the girl seems so young and beautiful (She is talking about Princess Blue's case here).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RKnowley View Post
    I emailed a very prominent forensic artist (she is the one who did the drawing of 'Baby Grace' AKA Riley Sawyers found in Galveston, Texas) about Princess Blue's case and asked her "Why are sketches sometimes done and not the reconstructions out of clay?" and also asked her "Do you feel that a facial reconstruction out of clay would have the best results in indentifying Princess Blue?"

    This was her response:
    Wow, thank you RKnowley! You are amazing. And, it is good to know that forensics artists feel the way that the one above does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionRun View Post
    Do you know if there is one contact we can find to refer families of the missing to get their DNA into CODIS? I wonder if Kelly can help us with this. I am thinking about referring all families I come across to do this if it hasn't already been done.

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    HI Lion-
    Yes, the agency that handles the familial reference samples with regard to missing persons cases is the same lab we have been mentioning regarding comparing Princess Blue with Cheatham and Jessie Foster with Princess Lavender...The Univ. of North TX's Health Science Center in Ft. Worth - Human Identity Lab. This is a federally funded facility and handles cases from all over the country, if not internationally as well, not just TX cases. The kits to obtain the buccal swabs from family members are free to LE and include a "pedigree chart," of sorts, so the scientisits understand exactly how the persons concerned are related to one another. The family members must have LE obtain the sample from them and then LE simply mails it in to the Lab, with associated paperwk. abt the MP case. The whole process is FREE !! The familial reference samples are first compared with everythg in the Lab's system (meaning, all UID remains from which they have obtained a DNA profile in the past). If there is no match, the samples are then uploaded into the state, national and intrntn'l levels, to be periodically checked against all other entries from other sources, like CODIS. Important to note - the fam. refnc. smpls. ARE NOT checked against criminal CODIS databases, they are only used in regard to identification for unknown persons. In short, if a fam. mbr. is hesitant to give their DNA bec. they are afraid they might be linked to a crime in their past, they don't have to be concerned w/ that. The Lab is concerned with solvg UID and MP cases solely. Does this make sense?
    So, if there are family members of MP out there, and they have never been requested to give a DNA sample for reference, they should contact the LE involved w their case and ask that this process be started. There is a chance that LE may not even know this opportunity exists. The Lab is trying to start educatg agencies abt this service - literally travlg, puttg on lectures, etc. to "get the word out." But if the LE involved doesn't know what to do, they can contact the Lab themselves, or the TXMPCH and they will walk them through it. Did I mention the whole process is FREE??!

    Hope this helps,
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    I'm not posting this woman as a possible match to Princess Blue because the age and the date of disappearance are quite a bit off, but maybe there could be some kind of familial relation between her and Princess Blue?

    http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/ga...hp?A200705243S

    I just can't get over how much she looks like the recon.

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