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    PA - Sunbury, Wht/HispMale 3UMPA, 16-21, in Susquehanna River, Aug'86

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3umpa.html

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    Possibly Hispanic or White
    Discovered on August 2, 1986 in the Susquehanna River, seven miles from Sunbury, Northumberland County, Pennsylvania
    Estimated Date of Death: July 1, 1986
    State of Remains: Badly decomposed.
    Cause of death is unknown, but was possibly drowning.
    Vital Statistics
    Estimated age: 25 - 40 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'10" - 6'0"; 170 - 190 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown or sandy hair color.
    Dentals: Available. The victim had excellent dental care and may have originated from an area with high fluoride content in its drinking water. Dentition is complete, well aligned teeth with good occlusion. All third molars are unerupted in vertical position. Peridontium is excellent with no bone loss.
    Clothing: No clothing or personal items were discovered with the remains
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    Possible Match:?
    http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/ga...hp?A200604036S

    The "picture" or "drawing" they have posted here look almost exactly alike, imo...I know the guy has been missing since 1975, but that would make him 11 years older...and maybe he moved away from FL to PA??

    Last edited by CarlK90245; 04-06-2013 at 03:23 PM.

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    Doe Network revised the age estimate on this UID. They now have his age estimated at 16-21 years old.

    DoeNetwork Case 3UMPA http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3umpa.html
    NamUs UP Case 6859 https://identifyus.org/cases/6859

    (Note that NamUs has this UID listed at 510 inches tall (or 42 feet 6 inches)

    With the new age range considered, here is a possible.

    Mario F. Saavedra
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...dra_mario.html



    His height is right, and the DLC is pretty close. The UID was found about 170 miles from Jersey City NJ.

    The facial shape is pretty close, although the UID might have a little less chin and a more pronounced brow than Mario does

    It's strange that they indicate that they describe the UID as having hair down to his shoulders, but the artist depicts him as clean-cut.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-12-2012 at 12:15 PM.

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    I dunno -- at first I thought you'd found another, but that was mostly because of the clean-cut look. After some study, it doesn't look real close to me. The UID's nose is rougher, the brows don't look right, and the ears look different.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    I dunno -- at first I thought you'd found another, but that was mostly because of the clean-cut look. After some study, it doesn't look real close to me. The UID's nose is rougher, the brows don't look right, and the ears look different.
    But if the body was badly decomposed, can we count on those things? The ears are cartilage, parts of the nose as well. Eyebrows could have been non-existant. I always consider those aspects as "artists rendition".
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    Quote Originally Posted by petchie View Post
    But if the body was badly decomposed, can we count on those things? The ears are cartilage, parts of the nose as well. Eyebrows could have been non-existant. I always consider those aspects as "artists rendition".
    Hm, good point.

    It probably is close enough to send in, then.
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    I think this match is definitely worth submitting. Great job Carl!

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    Carl-- I think it is a very good match!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post


    Doe Network revised the age estimate on this UID. They now have his age estimated at 16-21 years old.

    DoeNetwork Case 3UMPA http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3umpa.html
    NamUs UP Case 6859 https://identifyus.org/cases/6859

    (Note that NamUs has this UID listed at 510 inches tall (or 42 feet 6 inches)

    With the new age range considered, here is a possible.

    Mario F. Saavedra
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...dra_mario.html



    His height is right, and the DLC is pretty close. The UID was found about 170 miles from Jersey City NJ.

    The facial shape is pretty close, although the UID might have a little less chin and a more pronounced brow than Mario does

    It's strange that they indicate that they describe the UID as having hair down to his shoulders, but the artist depicts him as clean-cut.
    I see the resemblance but something seem off if it is Mario. Mario was last seen in April and his car was abandonded in his Jersey City neighborhood. Not sure what he would have been doing between April and July when they estimated this UID died.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-12-2012 at 12:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post


    Doe Network revised the age estimate on this UID. They now have his age estimated at 16-21 years old.

    DoeNetwork Case 3UMPA http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3umpa.html
    NamUs UP Case 6859 https://identifyus.org/cases/6859

    (Note that NamUs has this UID listed at 510 inches tall (or 42 feet 6 inches)

    With the new age range considered, here is a possible.

    Mario F. Saavedra
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...dra_mario.html



    His height is right, and the DLC is pretty close. The UID was found about 170 miles from Jersey City NJ.

    The facial shape is pretty close, although the UID might have a little less chin and a more pronounced brow than Mario does

    It's strange that they indicate that they describe the UID as having hair down to his shoulders, but the artist depicts him as clean-cut.

    Wow you have to call that in........its perfect. The time line is also perfect the UID was in the water an extended time.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 04-06-2013 at 03:26 PM.

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    Carl, did you submit this possible match to anyone?


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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    Carl, did you submit this possible match to anyone?
    No, I never did.

    The alignment of his photo to the recon was somewhat close, but not close enough IMO.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 12-12-2010 at 05:36 PM.

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    my hunch was that if Mario met harm, it happened in Jersey City. not sure who would cart him up to PA for disposal.

    however, nothing else is coming up so I was just asking.

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    I wonder how good the facial recon actually is, given that the original estimated age is up to twice that of the current estimate. That might mean things like an assumption of thicker, fattier tissue and larger cartilege, so that the alignment may not be that good at all.

    I agre that the circumstances are unclear but if Mario's case were mob related the distance to disposal wouldn't be totally implausible as a match.

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    good point Cymro. Carl, maybe you should ask to see pics of the skull for this one too.
    Last edited by tamar; 12-12-2010 at 07:10 PM.
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    Namus updates 1 February 2014

    No ruleouts on Namus as of 1 February 2014. They have corrected his height to 70 inches, which is 5'10" and explains the "510" originally.

    Unidentified W/M found floating in the Susquehanna River, Upper Mahanoy Twp, Northumberland County, Pa. Autopsy performed noted Cause and Manner of Death as Accidental Drowning.

    Googlemaps gives this as the location for Upper Mahanoy: ttps://goo.gl/maps/ONUyB
    Which is not on the river

    Another interesting tidbit (bbm): Iniital investigating officer lists description as: full head of Dark Brown Hair, shoulder length.

    And he has DNA available now.
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