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    NY - Lake Ontario - Female Torso (DoeNet HC 931), 15-25, Jul'84 - Nancy Scamurra

    Hi
    May I please ask does anyone know more on this or what you think happened.newspaper arcticles ect...

    http://doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase931.html

    suzanne
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    Hi
    I could not find anything or get a hold of anyone to find out any more on this Unidentified Jane Doe found or the circumstances surrounding the finding of her.

    suzanne

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    I'm sorry, I don't know anything about this case. I was just going to mention that since it is a "hot case", maybe there will be more info/stats entered soon. I realize they don't have a lot to go on, but maybe some circumstances to how the body was found and any possible connections or theories LE has.

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    I wonder if this case is related to the Torso 1984 case.If they could be the same person or different people.I wonder if they have DNA on both or are they getting it.

    http://doenetwork.org/cases/540ufny.html

    suzanne

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    [ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Hunter,+NY,+United+State s&daddr=Oswego,+New+York,+United+States&geocode=FU MhhAId_oKT-ynZbBuKhFLciTGnhqIPnzboAg%3BFXITlwId34pw-ykRqkph5GLXiTHqZgDDjp8z3A&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=43.5880 46,-77.036394&sspn=4.360627,13.392334&ie=UTF8&z=8"]Hunter, NY to Oswego, NY - Google Maps[/ame]

    They were found quite a distance apart. It's about 195 miles and 3 hours 40 minutes from Hunter NY to Oswego on the shore of Lake Ontario (approximate location)

    Neither of them are in Namus


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    The Namus link in the thread title appears to be an error.
    https://identifyus.org/cases/931 is a Hispanic male in Maryland.
    She's Doe Hotcase 931.
    I didn't find a Namus link for her.

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    WOW-I live about 20 mins from these places and I have never heard of this case.I am going to see what I can find out-in fact I just came back from Lake O this past thursday from camping.

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    Mary Ann Bagenstose

    Case Classification: Missing
    Missing Since: June 5, 1984
    Location Last Seen: West Willow, Lancaster Co, Pennsylvania

    Physical Description

    Date of Birth: Unknown
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 25
    Race: Caucasian
    Gender: Female
    Height at Time of Disappearance: 5'5
    Weight at Time of Disappearance: 125-130 lbs
    Hair Color: Blonde
    Eye Color: Unknown
    Alias(s) / Nickname(s): Unknown

    Distinguishing Marks/Features: Mary Ann had a slight limp caused by a car accident when she was younger; wore a lift in one shoe.

    Dentals: Available
    Fingerprints: Unknown
    DNA: Unknown
    Clothing & Personal Items
    Clothing: Blue jeans, black t-shirt, brown sandals

    Jewelry: Unknown

    Additional Personal Items: Unknown

    Circumstances of Disappearance

    The morning of Tuesday, June 5, 1984 would be the last time that Mary Ann's mother would speak with her. In that last phone call, Mary Ann told her mother that her estranged husband would be picking her up to go look at a car he was considering buying for her. Mary Ann's husband would later tell police that he did go to the West Willow Road home that morning, but that Mary Ann wasn't ready, so the husband took the couple's 2-year old son to Long Park to feed the ducks. Upon returning to the residence, the husband said that Mary Ann was gone, but had left a note saying that she was walking to a nearby Turkey Hill Minit Market since her car wouldn't start. The clerks at the store, who knew Mary Ann well, stated that they didn't see her that day.

    Police searched the fields and woods around the Bagenstose home, but found nothing. Relatives, neighbors and friends, including a boarder who was staying at the home at that time, were interviewed, but nothing substantial was learned. A roadblock was set up to see if anyone had seen Mary Ann walking along the road that day. The garage floor at the home was dug up - but nothing was found. Mary Ann's husband said that he'd thrown away the note he said his wife left. It was never recovered.

    It would be totally out of character for Mary Ann to voluntarily leave her son behind, or to leave without contacting her mother, who she used to speak to every day. Foul play is strongly suspected.

    Investigating Agency(s)
    If you have any information about this case please contact;

    Agency Name: Pennsylvania State Police
    Agency Contact Person: Trooper Gerry Sauers
    Agency Phone Number: 717-299-7650

    Agency Case Number: J01-308-428

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3091dfpa.html
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...tose_mary.html

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    I've put the pictures of Mary Bagenstose next to the photo of the UID. I find the nose is very similar and that the chin would look similar but Mary Bagenstose seems to have more weight on her face then the UID

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    The Map

    A) location of Mary Bagenstose's disappearance
    B) Skull 2002
    C) Torso 1984
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    http://doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase2246.html

    Unidentified Female

    The victim was discovered on April 21, 2007 in Sterling, Cayuga County, New York.
    Estimated Date of Death: Years prior.
    State of Remains: Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only.
    Cause and Manner of Death: Unknown.

    Vital Statistics

    Estimated Age: 16-99 years old.
    Approximate Height and Weight: Unknown.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Unknown hair and eye color. Unknown race.
    Dentals: Not available.
    DNA: Available at the state lab.
    Fingerprints: Not available.

    Case History
    A partial sketetonized lower leg was found on the shoreline of Lake Ontario.

    DNA matches the partially skeletonized lower arm found about one week earlier (case 07-0439) near Ford Drive.

    The leg was assigned case number 07-0464 (this case). The leg and arm were found about 1/2 mile apart.

    https://identifyus.org/cases/5024

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    Not sure if the leg & arm would be related due to the wording "Partially Skeletonized" and i'm sure if a torso, head, arm, and leg showed up in the same state they would check the DNA but I thought i'd post it anyways. the three woman that have been ruled out as this UID were missing from 1992 - 1994

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    A) Location of Mart Ann Bagenstose Disappearance
    B) Location of Skull 2002
    C) Location of Torso 1984
    D) Location off Arm & Leg 2007
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    here are the only other woman I could find close to the time frame

    The only other female that could be a match for the Torso missing June 1984 that I could find is Kelly Eileen Morrissey

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    Rule Out Possibilities For Victoria Ann Shoupe

    - Not in June 1984
    - Age is off by 5 years
    - Height is short
    - Not blonde
    - Location

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._victoria.html
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/1363dfnv.html

    Victoria Ann Shoupe
    Missing since May 19, 1984 from Douglas County, Nevada.
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: March 26, 1954
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 30 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4"; 125 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
    Dentals: Available
    AKA: Vickey A Denitson, Vickey Anne Warner

    Rule Out Possibilities For Marjorie Christina Luna
    - Not missing in June 1984
    - Location
    - Age
    - Birthmark
    - Height

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._marjorie.html
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/304dffl.html

    Marjorie Christina Luna
    Missing since May 27, 1984 from Greenacres City, Palm Beach County, Florida.
    Classification: Non Family Abduction

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: April 7, 1976
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 8 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 4'0; 60 pounds
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Light brown hair; hazel eyes. She has a fair complexion.
    Medical Conditions: Luna has a slight speech impediment. She also has difficulty hearing.
    Marks, Scars: She has a scar on her right arm. Strawberry birthmark on right side of back or right shoulder.
    AKA: Nickname Christy
    Clothing: A turquoise bodysuit, barefoot
    Dentals: Not available. Luna's teeth are crooked

    Rule Out Possibilities Ruth Annette Johnson Barber

    - Not missing in June 1984
    - Age
    - Hair colour
    - Location

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/barber_ruth.html
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1152dfms.html

    Ruth Annette Johnson Barber
    Missing since May 31, 1984 from Gulfport, Harrison County, Mississippi.
    Classification: Missing

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: November 26, 1948
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 36 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4 - 5'6"; 150 - 165 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Bleached blonde hair with dark roots; hazel to green eyes.
    Marks, Scars: Scars on head and hands and scars on legs from infentigo.
    Dentals: Dentures and/or natural teeth
    Other: Fingerprints available


    Rule Out Possibilities Mary Jo Burnette

    - Location
    - Height
    - Hair colour


    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ette_mary.html
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/1403dfal.html

    Mary Jo Burnette
    Missing since June 1, 1984 from Rockford, Coosa County, Alabama.
    Classification: Endangered Runaway

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: October 18, 1967
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 16 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 4'11"-5'4"; 90 - 98 lbs
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; hazel/blue eyes.
    Marks, Scars: She has a scar on her left knee and a scar on her left calf. She may wear glasses.
    AKA: She may go by the nickname Joe.
    Dentals: Available. Somewhat crooked teeth to include a very protruding right upper central incisor.
    DNA: Available
    Fingerprints: Available


    Rule Out Possibilities For Virginia Mary Tobkin;
    - location
    - Age
    - Hair Colour
    - Height

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._virginia.html
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/3000dfmn.html

    Virginia Mary Tobkin
    Missing since June 1, 1984 from Perham, Otter Tail County, Minnesota
    Classification: Missing

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: April 29, 1955
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 29 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'7"; 150 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; blue eyes.
    Dentals: Available.
    Fingerprints: Available



    Rule Out Possibilities For Sherry Lynn Young;
    - Age
    - Location
    - Hair colour

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/y/young_sherry.html
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/2959dffl.html

    Sherry Lynn Young
    Missing since June 1, 1984 from Orlando, Orange County, Florida
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: August 26, 1970
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 13 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'5"; 105 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
    DNA: Available

    Rule Out Possibilities For Sherry Lynn Marler;

    - Age
    - Hair colour
    - Height
    - Scars
    - Location

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...er_sherry.html
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/215dfal.html

    Sherry Lynn Marler
    Missing since June 6, 1984 from Greenville, Butler County, Alabama
    Classification: Non-Family Abduction

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: August 18, 1971
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 12 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4; 120 pounds
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown, short hair; brown eyes.
    Marks, Scars: Marler has a 2-inch scar on her stomach and a very wide, 1 inch scar on her upper back, near her shoulder.
    Clothing: Marler was last seen wearing a plaid red, work shirt, faded jeans and new tennis shoes.
    Dentals: Available. Only two fillings on the tops of tooth 14 and 19. She has a mixture of permanent and baby teeth.
    DNA: Available

    Rule Out Possibilities For Kelly Eileen Morrissey
    N/A

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...sey_kelly.html
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/264dfny.html


    Kelly Eileen Morrissey
    Missing since June 12, 1984 from Lynbrook, Nassau County, New York.
    Classification: Non-Family Abduction

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: August 22, 1968
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 15 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'6; 130 pounds
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Dark blonde hair; brown eyes.
    Marks, Scars: Morrissey has a scar on her forehead. She has pierced ears.
    Clothing: Morrissey was last seen wearing a pink sleeveless sweatshirt; jeans; white sneakers; and a gold chain with a charm.



    Rule Out Possibilities For Tammie Lynn Wilkinson

    - Location
    - Hair colour
    - Tattoos

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...on_tammie.html
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/905dfmo.html

    Tammie Lynn Wilkinson
    Missing since June 21, 1984 from Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri.
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: May 9, 1965
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 19 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'5"; 125 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Light brown hair; blue eyes.
    Tattoos: Blue heart tattoo on upper right arm between shoulder & elbow with initials "KN-TW" & arrow through it.
    Dentals: Dental records available.
    Clothing: Last seen wearing a blouse, blue jeans, white tennis shoes.
    Jewelry: She was wearing 2 silver chains and several rings. One of the rings she was wearing was a 1984 Northeast High School class ring. It was yellow gold with an emerald green stone and the initials TLW inscribed on the inside.
    Dentals: Available
    DNA: Available

    Rule Out Possibilities for Nancy Jo Scamurra

    - Not missing in June 1984
    - Age
    - Hair Colour

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...rra_nancy.html
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/317dfny.html

    Nancy Jo Scamurra
    Missing since July 1, 1984 from Amherst, Erie County, New York
    Classification: Non-Family Abduction

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: April 27, 1970
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 14 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'6; 150 pounds
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; blue eyes. Scamurra has dimples. She has freckles across her nose.
    Marks, Scars: Scamurra has a scar under her chin. She has calcium buildup on her bones, particularly on her right knee.
    Clothing: Scamurra was last seen wearing a white shirt and blue and white shorts.

    Rule Out Possibilities For Sandra Faye Norman

    - Not missing in June 1984
    - Location
    - Height

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...an_sandra.html
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/1259dffl.html

    Sandra Faye Norman
    Missing since July 2, 1984 from Florida.
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: February 13, 1958
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 25 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'3"; 100 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Straight, thick blackish brown hair; brown eyes. Very slender frame. Was a smoker.
    Dentals: Had good teeth.
    AKA: Her married name is Thompson.

    Rule Out Possibilities For Elizabeth Ann Maggard

    - Not missing in June 1984
    - Location


    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...elizabeth.html
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/1666dfky.html

    Elizabeth Ann Maggard
    Missing since July 4, 1984 from Silver Grove, Campbell County, Kentucky
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: July 7, 1961
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 22 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'7"; 125 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes. Pierced ears.
    Marks, Scars: Birthmark back right leg, 1/2 inch scar on forehead.
    Clothing: Possibly wearing t-shirt, shorts, cream colored sandals and ruby ring.
    AKA: Lizzie
    Dentals: Available

    Rule Out Possibilities For Kimberley Lawanda Carter

    - Location
    - Not missing in June 1984
    - Race
    - Height
    - Hair Colour

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._kimberly.html
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/1038dfmo.html

    Kimberly Lawanda Carter
    Missing since July 5, 1984 from Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri.
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: April 21, 1965
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 19 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'3"; 115 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Black female. Black hair; brown eyes.
    Clothing: She was last seen wearing a black pants suit and white cap.
    Other: DNA available


    Rule Out Possibilities For Debra Lee Frost

    - Location
    - Not missing in June 1984
    - Hair colour
    - Scar on chest

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/frost_debra.html
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/83dfut.html

    Debra Lee Frost

    Missing since July 9, 1984 from Salt Lake City, Salt Lake County, Utah.
    Classification: Non-Family Abduction

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: April 17, 1967
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 17 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'6; 120 pounds
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Sandy/brown/auburn Mid back length hair; hazel eyes. Freckles and pierced ears.
    Marks, Scars: She has a burn scar on her left calf, a scar on her nose, a scar on her chest.
    Clothing: She was last seen wearing a black tube-top with white fishnet over it, long blue corduroy pants and blue tennis shoes, size 6-6 1/2. Earrings.
    Dentals: Available. 2 deciduous teeth. A&C A also has pulpotomy & mod amalgam.
    DNA: Available

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    please note - There is no mention if the female that the Torso belongs too had ever given birth...

    Mary Ann Bagenstose - Had one son (*mentioned in case file)
    Kelly Eileen Morrissey - No Mention of offspring

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    Remains found in '84 ID'd as missing NY girl, 14

    "Amherst and Oswego County authorities announced Friday that DNA tests led to the identification of the remains of 14-year-old Nancy Scamurra. She was last seen in early July 1984 walking away from her Williamsville home."

    http://online.wsj.com/article/AP92a7...85f70f888.html

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    Nancy Jo Scamurra



    Scamurra, circa 1984;

    Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance

    Missing Since: July 1, 1984 from Amherst, New York
    Classification: Non-Family Abduction
    Date Of Birth: April 27, 1970
    Age: 14 years old
    Height and Weight: 5'6, 150 pounds
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Caucasian female. Brown hair, blue eyes. Scamurra has facial dimples and freckles across her nose. She has a half-inch scar under her chin and a gap between her front teeth.
    Clothing/Jewelry Description: A white shirt and blue and white shorts.
    Medical Conditions: Scamurra has calcium build-up on her bones, particularly on her right knee.

    Details of Disappearance

    Scamurra was last seen in family's Amherst, New York at approximately 9:30 p.m. on July 1, 1984. She got into an argument with one of her siblings and left her family's Scamridge Curve residence. She was last seen walking toward North Forest Road. She has never been heard from again.

    Scamurra was having personal problems at the time of her disappearance and the police originally believed she had run away from home. She left all her belongings behind, however, and apparently never contacted her loved ones again, which is unusual for a teen runaway. Authorities can find no evidence of an abduction in Scamurra's case, but they believe she is deceased. Her family has reportedly refused to cooperate with police in her disappearance. They maintain their innocence in her case, however, and none of them have been named as suspects. Scamurra's case remains unsolved and foul play is suspected.
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    WOW.This is so great.This is so much hope.
    ALL EVIL NEEDS TO SUCCEED IS FOR GOOD PEOPLE TO DO NOTHING!!!!

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    Poor Nancy Jo. I have seen her suggested as a possibility for several possible Jane Does. I always hoped she was alive.

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    I wonder if Nancy was a victim of Altemio Sanchez aka The Bikepath Rapist.

    She was last seen right near his area where he was known to operate. AFAIK, none of his other victims were found in the lake. But then again, at this time, as far as we know today, he had committed several rapes, but no murders I don't think. Perhaps this was his actually his first murder and he panicked? I think one if his victims was a teenage girl from Sweet Home High, and that was back in the mid 80's. I need to try and find that thread on here and confirm that.

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    If you map out where Sanchez lived on Allendale in Cheektowaga, where Scamurra lived on Scamridge in Amherst, and the Ellicot Creek bike path, where some of Sanchez' crimes took place, it's really pretty scary. Sanchez mainly chose victims in their teens and early 20's. Two of his known. victims were 14 year old girls.

    Lots of good info in this book...http://books.google.com/books?id=Ylm...%20map&f=false

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