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    NV - Washoe Co., BlkMale 1417UMNV, 25-35, MVA, bank robbery suspect, Jul'80

    The Doe Network:
    Hot Case 571


    Unidentified Black Male

    • The victim was discovered on July 16, 1980 in Washoe County, Nevada
    • Estimated Date of Death: July 16, 1980
    • Cause of Death: Craniocerebral injuries due to auto accident

    Vital Statistics

    • Estimated age: 25-30 years old
    • Approximate Height and Weight: 5'4"; 135 lbs.
    • Distinguishing Characteristics: Black hair.

    Case History
    The victim was a suspect in a robbery of Nevada Savings and Loan in Washoe County, Nevada on July 16, 1980. He fled the scene in an automobile pursued by Sparks Police on Interstate 80 eastbound, when he lost control of the car and struck a fixed object.

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    Washoe County Coroner's Office
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    Agency Case Number:
    Coroner # 0514-80
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    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.
    Source Information:
    **Warning! Post-mortem photos my be contained in link below!
    Washoe County Coroner

    http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase571.html
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 03-28-2013 at 08:26 PM.

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    The link's changed, he's no longer hot case:
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1417umnv.html


    Namus link has a MORGUE PHOTO in it:
    https://identifyus.org/cases/2105

    He is not:
    John Ashley, Jr. 1953 Delaware
    David Williams 1962 New Jersey
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-18-2014 at 10:13 PM.

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    Alright, my old manager knew this case really well because he was a sheriff and told me all about this case. It's really an interesting case. He wrecked his car and was found 60-70 yards away from the car like he tried to hijack another car and was dragged. He died from the trauma he received from his first wreck. How crazy a story to lead up to being a UID? First you rob a bank and then you die from auto related injuries while escaping?

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    the first thing that went through my mind was his fingerprints. I assumed he must not have been arrested before otherwise they'd have a match. then I see this under his fingerprint info on his Namus profile:

    Finger prints on file with Sparks police department


    Does that mean they have not been entered into any national databases? I'm not sure how that works but if they are sitting on cards in a file in Sparks, NV, how are they supposed to find a match with other LE agencies across the country?

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    I'm sure he has been entered into a national database. But who knows if he had been arrested beforehand I they put his fingerprints onto a database. Do possible records of his arrests still exist? Who knows.

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    I would think prints are kept on file for a long time, but how long I have no idea. it is possible he was never arrested before but bank robbery is a bit extreme for a pure novice.

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    actually, I posed this rhetorical question on another thread some months ago. if the missing person were a fugitive, I am not sure that they are in the same missing persons databases as ordinary civilians. I did a fairly broad search of missing persons at Namus and there were no black men missing that met my criteria.

    this guy's lack of identification and extreme attempts to avoid apprehension would be consistent with someone who does not want to go back to prison. still if he had a record, you would think the fingerprints would have matched, but I have no clue what the technology was back in 1980 and what sort of searches they could have run back then.

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    Two more people have been added to the rule-outs on NamUs -- Jerry Armstrong and Oscar Nedd.

    I wonder if at the time LE asked about black males who are shorter who were recently released/paroled from prison? IMO, it sounded like he may have been incarcerated (possibly even for bank robbery or armed robbery) and didn't want to return to prison.

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    I know that it is a long shot, but I looked through the Interpol listings for both wanted persons and missing persons http://www.interpol.int/Wanted-Persons thinking that he could have been wanted for something (hence why he was running from the police) but I don't think it goes back far enough. I know that his fingerprints were taken, but I am not sure if they were ever checked against any databases? I don't think this came about (the databases) until the mid-1980 when LE used it to identify Richard Ramirez's fingerprints in Los Angeles.

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    There was an update on NamUs to his file about his prints --

    Fingerprints initially on file with Sparks Police. The original print cards were sent to the FBI, however they are discarded after 7 years. There are no prints on file per SPD and FBI." to "Fingerprints initially on file with Sparks Police. The original print cards were sent to the FBI, however they are discarded after 7 years. There are no prints on file at SPD or FBI
    This is disheartening because I thought that he probably had a criminal record (thus his prints were on file somewhere) and he didn't want to go back to jail and this is the main reason why he ran (IMO).


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    brilliant move FBI, and that's the cream of the crop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    brilliant move FBI, and that's the cream of the crop.


    Unfortunately it's all too common. Look at the East Area Rapist here in Sacramento. LE threw away all the evidence 15 years after the first attacks. It took one detective to pull everything out and salvage it, only for LE to demand he throw it away because it is city property. Because of that evidence he saved, the rapist was linked through DNA to more attacks as far south as LA.

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    Lawrence Edward Verdell, a 20 year old Black male who went missing from Camden, NJ on March 3, 1979 was recently added to NamUs. Unfortunately, there isn't a photo of Mr. Verdell but his height is listed as 65 inches and weight as 140-145 lbs, which all those factors together made me think of the unidentified bank robber from Sparks, NV (I guess the distance and nothing in Lawrence Verdell's profile on NamUs suggests that he was involved anything like bank robbery might be two very big problems).

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/23673/29

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    In an attempt to find a photo of Lawrence Verdell, I looked through the yearbooks from Camden, NJ on Classmates. Unfortunately, I was unable to find a photo of him and it seems that the yearbooks available from Camden the 1970s do not have very many photos of the underclassmen (only seniors). I don't know if Verdell is a very common surname, yet if it isn't, I think Lawrence may have a sister (or female relative) who attended Camden High School in the mid-1970s (she has married and has a different surname). If only NamUs included photos on all their missing person profiles...

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    I was looking at the Virginia Department of Corrections web page of Wanted Escapees at http://vadoc.virginia.gov/offenders/.../escapees.shtm and noticed Thomas Brooks, whose vital statistics are very close to the unidentified bank robber. Prior to looking at both men at the same time, I thought that Thomas Brooks could be a possible match (taking into consideration that the unidentified man face was swollen/distorted from the accident that killed him. Maybe I am just tired.

    http://vadoc.virginia.gov/offenders/.../escapees.shtm

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