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  1. #166
    Dad~ Since we don't know the condition or the pose of the body, it is impossible to imagine the role either pair played. Since we don't have another victim murdered by him (that is known), we have no base to draw from on what he would or would not do before or after he killed. His rage could have gone far beyond strangulation into ravaging the body and leaving her in a state which was meant to outrage and shock LE. In that scenario, to bind her or gag her would not be out of the question even if he had not done it to his rape victims prior to this murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    Dad~ Since we don't know the condition or the pose of the body, it is impossible to imagine the role either pair played. Since we don't have another victim murdered by him (that is known), we have no base to draw from on what he would or would not do before or after he killed. His rage could have gone far beyond strangulation into ravaging the body and leaving her in a state which was meant to outrage and shock LE. In that scenario, to bind her or gag her would not be out of the question even if he had not done it to his rape victims prior to this murder.
    True, but what we do have is known previous attacks. The behavior in those attacks does not support any speculation much beyond what is known about the death of Brianna.

    He could have done a million things and we can spend imaginative energy devising those actions but it should have a reasonable basis. My opinion is that unbridled speculation takes us further from the facts and the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10EC_Dad View Post
    True, but what we do have is known previous attacks. The behavior in those attacks does not support any speculation much beyond what is known about the death of Brianna.

    He could have done a million things and we can spend imaginative energy devising those actions but it should have a reasonable basis. My opinion is that unbridled speculation takes us further from the facts and the truth.
    Or could very well bring us closer to the truth. There are two sides to your unbridled speculation coin. Let's flip for it.

    Again, apples and oranges. You cannot base what he did to Brianna on what he did to previous rape victims as he did not kill them. This puts Brianna's case into a new category. His past behavior only relates up to her being abducted. From that point on...we have nothing to draw from for any kind of comparison in crimes.
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    AND GOD DEMANDS IT!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    Or could very well bring us closer to the truth. There are two sides to your unbridled speculation coin. Let's flip for it.

    Again, apples and oranges. You cannot base what he did to Brianna on what he did to previous rape victims as he did not kill them. This puts Brianna's case into a new category. His past behavior only relates up to her being abducted. From that point on...we have nothing to draw from for any kind of comparison in crimes.
    Well that gives some insight to your reasoning style. My style is just different.

    Nope, same apple that is turning a darker shade.

    Your statements highlighted above sure makes speculation without accountability easy. Based on that, I am disappointed in the speculation creativity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    The mention that the DNA could be an oily substance such as from the fingers was brought up by a member of RPD during an interview either on Greta or NG (I heard it, but haven't read it yet..it should be in those archives tho.) It was in the beginning of the invest and they were asking him about the DNA they claimed to have. His responsed that he couldn't tell them specifically, BUT...then went into what it could be with some enticing by one of the anchors.
    Thanks SS,
    I wasn't sure if it was something said by media or by LE, etc. But it sounds like it "could" be fingerprints. Thanks again for the response.
    There is always HOPE!!!

  6. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by 10EC_Dad View Post
    Well that gives some insight to your reasoning style. My style is just different.

    Nope, same apple that is turning a darker shade.

    Your statements highlighted above sure makes speculation without accountability easy. Based on that, I am disappointed in the speculation creativity.
    I told you before I think outside the box. I don't get locked into the trappings LE does with their approach to cases. I think you have to look at all possibilities then rule them out one by one and they look at one possibility based solely on facts as they see them then the minute they realize they are missing the critical piece to the puzzle that will take them down the correct path...they have a cold case on their hands because they haven't considered other possibilities. Most of the time, they refuse to start over and find the right piece so instead they put it in their backburner file and depend on some retired LE officers to gander over it in their spare time to find it.
    "WE SEEK FOR THE TRUTH. WE SEEK JUSTICE.
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    AND GOD DEMANDS IT!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    I told you before I think outside the box. I don't get locked into the trappings LE does with their approach to cases. I think you have to look at all possibilities then rule them out one by one and they look at one possibility based solely on facts as they see them then the minute they realize they are missing the critical piece to the puzzle that will take them down the correct path...they have a cold case on their hands because they haven't considered other possibilities. Most of the time, they refuse to start over and find the right piece so instead they put it in their backburner file and depend on some retired LE officer to gander over it in their spare time to find it.
    Yes, you did warn me didn't you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    Yes, I did.
    I'm sorry that I can't help you. I tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimples37398 View Post
    I have just always had the feeling from the beginning that one or more of the people in the house that night, knew more than they were saying.

    Maybe they don't want to believe it, or they only met the person once or twice in casual meetings from the male roomates.....I just feel someone in the house might have a clue or suspicion on the person who might have done it.

    I followed the facebook group for Bri, and I don't recall seeing any messages from Kt or jessica. We haven't heard anything else from them either. Does anyone know if they attended the memorial for Bri after she was found?
    I think when all is said and done there will be a logical explanation. There's a house with two male and two female roommates and people coming and going on a daily basis. So it's very possible the the suspect is somehow acquainted with one of the four people who lived at the MacKay Court house. The suspect may have been at that house once or twice as a friend of a friend of one of the house residents. He may well be someone they've forgotten about......just a guy who tagged along with one of their friends. The suspect may have been in that house long enough to have a good idea of the layout and the fact that it's left unlocked.

    The suspect could have picked up the pink underwear long before Bianna's abduction. If the suspect visited there and used the bathroom, he could have taken the underwear from the laundry hamper. The owner of the underwear my not have noted them missing at the time, but immediately recognized them when the police showed them to her.

    There's a lot of possible scenarios....................

  10. #175
    Your input is greatly appreciated, Dad. You have to allow others to follow their instincts and use their own methods to arrive at their own theories, decisions, and thoughts. We don't have to think alike to arrive the same place.
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    AND GOD DEMANDS IT!"

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  11. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by Leila View Post
    I think when all is said and done there will be a logical explanation. There's a house with two male and two female roommates and people coming and going on a daily basis. So it's very possible the the suspect is somehow acquainted with one of the four people who lived at the MacKay Court house. The suspect may have been at that house once or twice as a friend of a friend of one of the house residents. He may well be someone they've forgotten about......just a guy who tagged along with one of their friends. The suspect may have been in that house long enough to have a good idea of the layout and the fact that it's left unlocked.

    The suspect could have picked up the pink underwear long before Bianna's abduction. If the suspect visited there and used the bathroom, he could have taken the underwear from the laundry hamper. The owner of the underwear my not have noted them missing at the time, but immediately recognized them when the police showed them to her.

    There's a lot of possible scenarios....................
    I wouldn't even be surprised to find he was a one night stand either from one of the girls or one of their friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    Are you always this exasperating or is it just with me?! Your input is greatly appreciated, Dad. You have to allow others to follow their instincts and use their own methods to arrive at their own theories, decisions, and thoughts. We don't have to think alike to arrive the same place.
    You know the saying, friends don't let friends . . .

    Actually, I had hoped to find, on this site, logic and reason in discussing factual evidence and engage in thoughtful and reasonable speculation. That just seems to be sparse much of the time and replaced with thoughts so far from it, the box is invisible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10EC_Dad View Post
    You know the saying, friends don't let friends . . .


    Truthfully, can you go to another site and find what you have here? We do try to find every piece of what is released to the public, keep track of such and compartmentalize them into fact, speculation, possibilities, etc. We keep things in perspective while at the same time try to find the missing links. If you can find another site which isn't full of people who continually go off topic or let nonsense get in the way...I haven't seen it and I have looked. I respect the people here and their opinions. I like the way we banter pros and cons. We have intelligent, articulate, and devoted sleuths who enjoy getting to the bottom of a case...with what we have to work with.
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    THE COURTS REQUIRE IT. THE VICTIMS CRY FOR IT
    AND GOD DEMANDS IT!"

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    Hi everyone- Interesting discussion, although I have to admit I never thought I'd read 7 pages of discussion about dirty underwear!

    It sounds like most of you have been following this case for awhile. If you don't mind I have a couple of questions. Has there been any information about where Brianna was killed? It sounds like it wasn't where her body was found?? Also, I haven't read anything about LE saying the killer's behavior is worse than we know. Was that a public statement by LE or just something someone heard?

    I'm not going to question KT's credibility until there is reason to. If she did minimize the partying that evening I totally understand. People are always quick to judge the victim, especially in sexual crimes, and this may have played a part in her response. I can't even imagine how terrified (and ticked) I'd be to know that psycho had been in my house, on the other side of the door to the room I was sleeping in. Add to this he kidnapped and did who knows what terrible things to your good friend before taking her life. A million and one "what if's" have to go through that girl's mind every day. I doubt if I'd still be able to form a sentence, let alone think clearly about what I had done the night before my life changed forever. I hope we can all show some empathy for those friends of Brianna's. If you think you want this nutcase found can you imagine how they feel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by newshound81 View Post
    I believe he could have found the panties randomly that night at MacKay Court, but the problem I'm having is him taking all this time and possibly making commotion to do this.

    I do not believe that the panties would have been left out in the open in the common area. Girls in general can be slobs, but most draw the line at leaving their undergarments lying around where other people - especially men - can see them.

    How did this guy find the laundry room, even know one was there? Why would he risk spending extra time in this house? And if he did, how did the other girls not hear him? If this guy was walking around trying to find underwear, wouldn't you hear it, a creak in the floor or something, versus him taking two steps to come in the door to the couch and back out with Brianna in his arms?

    I feel like this second pair of underwear is more baffling than the first.
    We know the girls went out that night. Part of going out is taking a shower and a change of clothes. It's possible that a laundry basket/hamper or a pile of dirty clothes was within sight.

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