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    Quote Originally Posted by Sable View Post
    I found something in a search that is driving me crazy. I googled missing "class ring" "lee High School" and found the following link on page 4.

    http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...nk&cd=32&gl=us

    It's a craigslist posting dated January 25 under lost and found. When I tried to read the post, it said "This posting has expired. (The title on the listings page will be removed in just a few minutes.)" Does anyone know how to pull up the cached version of the posting? I tried searching cached:http://houston.craigslist.org/laf/268167253.html on google, but got nothing.

    Also, wanted to add that the person who the ring originally belonged to may have been born in September. The blue stone appears to be a sapphire, which is the birthstone for September.
    Have you tried to find it on archive.org? They have a wayback machine that archives.

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    I checked the wayback machine and got nothing.

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    I do believe they are estimating her weight based on the size of the school ring. They said that size of ring would have fit someone who was in the 175lb range.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aprilvic View Post
    Just trying to figure it out. Did LE say that they thought she weighed around 175? Or is it just a guess b/c of the ring? I am 115 pounds, but I have really big fingers. My ring finger is an 8, and my index finger is a 9 1/2. I have always hated my hands for this fact
    I wore my h.s. boyfriends ring on my thumb, so that me be a thought too.
    Anyway, I am just saying she may have been like me and just had big fingers!
    You guys are great - keep up the good work!
    I also know that my h.s. ring had my last initial on it. So did my husbands! I guess it just differs from person to person!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aprilvic View Post
    Just trying to figure it out. Did LE say that they thought she weighed around 175? Or is it just a guess b/c of the ring? I am 115 pounds, but I have really big fingers. My ring finger is an 8, and my index finger is a 9 1/2. I have always hated my hands for this fact
    I wore my h.s. boyfriends ring on my thumb, so that me be a thought too.
    Anyway, I am just saying she may have been like me and just had big fingers!
    You guys are great - keep up the good work!
    I also know that my h.s. ring had my last initial on it. So did my husbands! I guess it just differs from person to person!
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    These are excellent points, Aprilvic. She could have been a tiny person with wide fingers, or she could have had some type of joint or bone disease resulting in wide fingers.

    As for the initials, it is good to understand that the, "L" could be for a first name, a last name, a girl's name, or a boy's name. It could stand for something else, too. The ring reminds me of the women's style only because there is a more narrowing of the band then what I recall from seeing men's rings from about that era.

    I wish we could get a basic pic of one men's ring and one women's ring. Did Josten's make the ring? I think they did according to the lost article. The Doe article stated that the ring company did not keep records from that far back; but, someone there must be able to have access to a pic of what the rings looked like back then in general.

    I am thinking it might be a good idea to keep either mental notes or write them down concerning the side avenues we may need to travel down if the most logical streets don't lead us to Princess Doe's identity.

    For example, many of think it is at least somewhat likely that the ring originally belonged to a female, older relative like a mother or an aunt. And, many of us may be inclined to think that because the ring was re-sized twice, and more likely up than down, that Princess Doe may have indeed weighed about 175 LB.

    However, if we don't find her based on what we think might be true then we may need to chase the less common, zebra. And, while searching we may want to include anything we come across that is possible even if it doesn't fit the most likely possibilities. What are your thoughts on this fellow sleuthers?

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    It's also possible that she didn't wear the finger on the ring finger. I wear a band on my thumb and I know a lot of women that wear multiple rings will wear them all over. I'm going to look on ebay for some typical ring styles from that era. I can't tell from the article about how long they think she may have been lying there. Anyone know?

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    http://cgi.ebay.com/1975-Pickens-Hig...QQcmdZViewItem

    It looks like the L may be for the school as this one has an inlaid P for Pickens.




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    This is an article from 2006 that talks about Princess Doe:

    Manvel, Texas
    Manvel Police Department
    POC: Jay Coffman - 281-489-1212
    Saturday, September 2, 2006


    Ring is top clue in cold case

    Teens Remains were found along Brazoria County road in 1990
    By: Richard Stewart (richard.stewart@chron.com), Houston Chronicle

    ANGLETON, TEXAS - A well-worn ring from the 1975 class of Houston's Robert E. Lee High School is the main evidence police have to try to unravel a 16-year-old mystery. It was found on the finger of a skeleton at the end of a Brazoria County road in 1990.

    "It's not much to go on," said Manvel police Detective Jay Coffman, "but it's about all we've got."

    In the nine years since the remains were found, investigators have not been able to tell what happened to the female victim, how she got to be on a pile of debris or, more importantly, who she was.

    "Somebody's missing this girl," Coffman said, holding the ring. Somebody is missing the ring, too, he said, because he doubts it originally belonged to the victim.

    A medical examiner's report estimated that the skeleton found on September 10, 1990, was that of a girl about 17 years old, plus or minus two years, Coffman said. She would have been far too young for the 1975 class ring to be hers.

    "It could have been given to her by an aunt, an older sisters, by anybody," Coffman said.

    Richard Rosser, an investigator with the Brazoria County Sheriff's Department, is working with Coffman to solve the mystery.

    "Back then, Brazoria County was a dumping ground for bodies of people killed in Houston," Rosser said. "It seemed like we had at least one a month."

    The skeleton was found by an Alvin man who had pulled off the highway to find a place to urinate. He told investigators that he stepped behind a barricade and saw a skull in an old tire.

    Investigators have no clues as to how she died. No traces of drugs were found in the bone marrow. Medical examiners estimated she had been dead six months to a year.

    The victim was about 5 feet tall, plus or minus 2 inches. Medical examiners said the skeleton was probably that of a Hispanic female.

    Investigators looked at dozens of different reports of missing teenage girls, but none seemed to match the skeleton.

    Three rings were on the skeleton's fingers. One was silver with a scroll design, another had a turquoise unicorn on it. But investigators think the 1975 Lee High School ring probably has the best chance of leading to her identity.

    A jeweler recently told investigators the ring was a size 91/2 and had been resized twice. The person it fit was probably about 175 pounds.

    An ornate "L" inlaid in the blue stone could have stood for the owner's last name or for Lee High School. The company that made Lee High School's rings doesn't have records from 1975, Rosser said.

    The Lee class of 1975 probably had about 150 girls, Rosser said. He would like to hear from any of them who lost a ring or gave it to somebody else. The skeleton is now at the University of North Texas Health Science Center at Forth Worth. That facility operates the Texas Missing Persons DNA Database, which, in turn, feeds information about missing persons to the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS), operated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

    If investigators get new leads, they can try to test the DNA of relatives to identify her.

    "We would at least have a name," Coffman said.

    Anyone with information about this case can contact Manvel Police Detective Jay Coffman at 281-489-1212 or e-mail him at jcoffman@manvelpd.org.
    This and other cases are profiled online at the Texas Department of Public Safety's missing persons database: www.txpdsdps.state.tx.us/mpch/ (<--Note: This link is not good anymore)


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    This page has a side view of the high school ring. Also note that it says weight is unknown.

    http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/Un...sp?id=U0310014

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    oops. are there 2 Robert E Lee high schools in Texas? Do we know for sure the ring is from the one in Houston?
    Thanks, I was just looking into that...wondering if I had it wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richandfamous View Post
    oops. are there 2 Robert E Lee high schools in Texas? Do we know for sure the ring is from the one in Houston?
    Thanks, I was just looking into that...wondering if I had it wrong.
    There are 3 that I can recall off the bat. I think there are more. The good thing is that on the class ring it reads, "Houston", which makes our job a bit easier. No worries, as I said, I emailed everyone on that list thinking that I was emailing to the Houston alumni. Oops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RKnowley View Post
    Lion, were you able to contact LE about the yearbook for Robert E Lee High School class of 1975? I just noticed that in the article I posted it says to contact the person below with any information about the case. Let me know if you want to contact him or if you would like me to.

    Anyone with information about this case can contact Manvel Police Detective Jay Coffman at 281-489-1212 or e-mail him at jcoffman@manvelpd.org.
    I am so sorry. I didn't get to that today. I will certainly contact them both by phone and via email tomorrow. That you for the eamil addy.

    Also, looking at this ring from the side, it looks like a women's ring from that time. The band becomes more narrow from the sides to the bottom. I wish we had pics of the standard men's and ladie's rings for that time in the school. In 1975, there were very limited options and styles compared to today. I think there was a basic shape for men' rings and a basic shape for women's rings. If we just knew that fact we could rule in or out whether or not the original owner was a boy or a girl.

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    This looks like a man's high school ring. It is from 1975 (although not from Robert E Lee High School).

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Heavy-GOLD-CLASS...QQcmdZViewItem

    ETA: It does look like Princess Doe's ring is a girl's ring.


    Quote Originally Posted by LionRun View Post
    Also, looking at this ring from the side, it looks like a women's ring from that time. The band becomes more narrow from the sides to the bottom. I wish we had pics of the standard men's and ladie's rings for that time in the school. In 1975, there were very limited options and styles compared to today. I think there was a basic shape for men' rings and a basic shape for women's rings. If we just knew that fact we could rule in or out whether or not the original owner was a boy or a girl.

    Lion

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    Thank you RKnowly. I agree that our princess Doe's ring is more likely a ladie's ring. Here the two are for comparison. The styles are basically the same. The biggest difference is the thickness of the band, which is what I remember from seeing various high school rings from around that time. I didn't get a high school ring, and I soon regretted it. So, for a couple of years after high school I would ask to see other people's school rings(to see what i was missing??), and I remember that the only notable difference was the band weight and thickness.


    And here again is a side view of our Princess Doe's ring.


    Lion
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    Lion, thank you for the comparison images. I am convinced now that Princess Doe's ring is a ladies ring.

    Quote Originally Posted by LionRun View Post
    Thank you RKnowly. I agree that our princess Doe's ring is more likely a ladie's ring. Here the two are for comparison. The styles are basically the same. The biggest difference is the thickness of the band, which is what I remember from seeing various high school rings from around that time. I didn't get a high school ring, and I soon regretted it. So, for a couple of years after high school I would ask to see other people's school rings(to see what i was missing??), and I remember that the only notable difference was the band weight and thickness.

    And here again is a side view of our Princess Doe's ring.


    Lion
    Last edited by Earthbound Misfit I; 05-09-2010 at 08:12 AM. Reason: Image posted was expired

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    You are welcome Rknowly. I am also about 99 percent sure that this is a ladie's ring.

    Tomorrow I am both calling and emailing LE to let them know about the 1975 REL yearbook that is for sale. I am also going to ask them if they know what sizes the other two rings were and what fingers all of the rings were on, especially the HS ring.

    Does anyone have any other questions that may help us that I can ask them?

    Lion

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