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    Quote Originally Posted by WSTarheel View Post
    That theory has crossed my mind too. But, why would they continue their efforts to keep the case "active" instead of just letting it die? Doesn't make any sense to me why they would keep this case in the spotlight if they had something to hide.
    No, no, WSTarheel - John DeCamp & Ted Gunderson are NOT pedophiles.
    Hartwell's "theory" is blatant libel. I only mentioned it to demonstrate that the Gosch case really is used as an excuse to slander and libel innocent people.

    Bonacci, on the other hand, is suspect numero 2 in my estimation. John Joubert, the serial killer of newsboys is suspect #1 - the match of MOs and victim profiles, the fact that he had two victims in Nebraska shortly after Gosch went missing - those things scream that the FBI "disqualified" him for reasons that are in fact quite trivial, and that he ought to be considered the prime suspect.

    Bonacci was a child prostitute, I don't doubt that at all. I'm sure that's how he met Troy Boner, who was a heroin-addicted boy hooker a few years older than Bonacci. I think that they could have had a "Dean Corll - Wayne Henley" relationship with Bonacci playing the role of Henley.

    In fact, I've even considered the possibility that John Joubert might have picked up Bonacci at the air base - where I'm certain that some of Bonacci's "johns" must have taken him - and recruited him as an accomplice in luring the boys that Joubert killed. It's possible that Boner & Bonacci might have kidnapped and murdered Eugene Martin, after Joubert was in custody, in imitation of what Bonacci had seen and experienced as Joubert's "little helper".

    Perhaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Harrold View Post
    There's also Barbara Hartwell's theory that John DeCamp and Ted Gunderson are the real masterminds of an inter-continental child sex slavery ring and the whole Franklin Coverup story is an elaboarate smokescreen designed to hide their own involvement...
    Among those deep into the conspiracy mindset, they often see other conspiracy believers in paranoid terms. Thus, we have Tim White, Barbara Hartwell, Stew Webb, Alex Jones, etc. all accusing each other of being disinformation agents or actual part of whatever conspiracy they individually believe in. It is actually quite entertaining to watch them slander each other as crossdressers and perverts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WSTarheel View Post
    Thank you RBeck on the information about Rusty Nelson. I had not heard this information about what he was arrested for before. Interesting...
    In his testimony on the Franklin Case, Rusty Nelson stated that King hired two photographers. Nelson would take the legit photos and the other person took the porn pictures. Nelson stated that the other person impersonated him and that he was "set up" as a fall guy. His testimony set off a "red flag" for me. At the time, I wondered if Rusty was actually more involved (taking the porn pictures himself) and he was laying groundwork to cover his own tracks.
    Some time later, I listened to the Bonacci interviews, where Bonacci names his molesters. Bonacci stated that there was a photographer that molested him named Rusty Nelson. Hmmm... Was it REALLY Rusty Nelson or the impersonator?
    When I read that Nelson was arrested for child pornography, I automatically assumed that my initial thoughts on the case were correct - that Nelson probably WAS Kings porn photographer.
    Now I don't know what to believe... need to do more research.
    Whether or not Rusty Nelson is a pedophile, the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. But, I DO believe that he holds some key information in this case.
    Youre welcome thats exactly why i wanted to share this information most people dont know the whole story about him. also you mentioned Paul in his debeifing being molested by a Rusty Nelson i heard that too but if you watch the debriefing again (i know its long over 4 hours) but you will see Paul say there are 2 Rustys in Omaha ones a phographer the other one is a local businessman. the businessman was the one who molested him. i looked the guy up in the omaha phonebook i think i found the guy. youre damm right Rusty holds some key information on this case why do you think the FBI raided his parents farm house 3 times in 1989 and 90 ripping out the walls looking for his evidence.by the way incriminating pictures was not the only evidence he has. Rusty stole computer disks, ledgers, copied internal documents and memos from the credit union. he risked his life doing that Larry would have killed him if he got caught.i think Rusty might have taken some of the porn pictures out of obligation to his employer but thats just speculation Larry King is the kind of guy you dont say no to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Doogie View Post
    Among those deep into the conspiracy mindset, they often see other conspiracy believers in paranoid terms. Thus, we have Tim White, Barbara Hartwell, Stew Webb, Alex Jones, etc. all accusing each other of being disinformation agents or actual part of whatever conspiracy they individually believe in. It is actually quite entertaining to watch them slander each other as crossdressers and perverts.
    ROFL! Yup.

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    My favorite Rusty Nelson story is told by Gunderson in one of his radio broadcasts. I call it "The Quest For The Pictures That Never Were".

    Gunderson tells of picking up Nelson, either bailing him out of jail or paying off fines of Nelson's, and then taking Nelson on a cross-country tour. Nelson had claimed that he had stashed incriminating pictures all over the countryside, so Gunderson drives around following Nelson's directions and paying for everything along the way.

    After something like ten days of fruitless driving and searching, Gunderson is out thousands of dollars and no pictures were recovered - but Gunderson claims that only proves there is a conspiracy, because some black-ops team must have been racing around of them and removing the hidden pictures shortly before they arrive at each alleged location.

    I thought to myself after listening to that - this Gunderson dupe will surely be interested in buying some Ocean-front properties in Saskatchewan from me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Harrold View Post
    Why is that? asks WSTarheel?...snipped to shorten...

    You are right, however, that it's not my place to decide if a given posting is spam or not. Perhaps I should relent and just let "the conversation" flow wherever it will, eh?

    Ok. But I reserve the right to confront & debunk (respectfully) all false statements, in detail.

    That might be nice. The moderators on this sight are fully capable of moderating, and are very good at doing so IMHO.

    Don't let it consume you dude...
    I hope that you will think about Theresa Duncan and Jeremy Blake, from time to time. Don't let this obsession consume you. Please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iNTERESTEDWOMAN View Post
    That might be nice. The moderators on this sight are fully capable of moderating, and are very good at doing so IMHO.

    Don't let it consume you dude...
    I quite agree.

    Nevertheless, I believe we all have a moral duty to speak out against socially irresponsible behaviour taking place around us. We teach children, now, not to be silent when they witness bullying at school or on the playground, but to speak up and say - "hey, that's not right!"

    In this setting, I'm constantly astounded by how casually people accept things like the posting of slander & libel. In this case specifically, there are legal judgements dating back to the 1980's that certain statements by Bonacci & Owens were perjuries. Everytime those statements are subsequently repeated by other persons, our civil system is violated and thwarted. It astounds me that few people seem to care about that.

    I care about that. I won't stand by silently and watch it happen.

    Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Harrold View Post
    ...After something like ten days of fruitless driving and searching, Gunderson is out thousands of dollars and no pictures were recovered - but Gunderson claims that only proves there is a conspiracy, because some black-ops team must have been racing around of them and removing the hidden pictures shortly before they arrive at each alleged location...
    And that is one of the biggest problems with debating the existence of these type of conspiracies: True believers will use the lack of evidence as evidence of a powerful conspiracy. As Roy pointed out in one of his above posts, there have been zero arrests or convictions for based on Noreen and DeCamps crusades. Many believers will agrue that there have been no arrests because the conspirators have been able to prevent any real investigation into their dastardly deeds and that this lack of arrests proves how powerful the conspirators are.

    If I believed that a band of elves were sneaking into my garden and stealing my tomatos, the fact that I never see any elves would only go to convince me how sneaky they really were. It is circular reasoning that no contradictory evidence can counter.
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    Roy, I have a feeling that you are not going to be receptive to my inquiry but here goes anyways -

    Has Wadman ever taken a DNA test to prove that he is not the father of Alicia Owen's child?

    I would gladly eliminate any of the paths in this case if evidence was presented. I would like NOT to believe that law enforcement was involved in this case (and the coverup of it). It's been 20+ years... why haven't those that have been implicated in this case presented evidence to clear their names? Instead they move to NC, UT, or whatever. If they're REALLY innocent, they should present their case... Otherwise, those of us who are still following this case are only left with questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WSTarheel View Post
    Roy, I have a feeling that you are not going to be receptive to my inquiry but here goes anyways -

    Has Wadman ever taken a DNA test to prove that he is not the father of Alicia Owen's child?

    I would gladly eliminate any of the paths in this case if evidence was presented. I would like NOT to believe that law enforcement was involved in this case (and the coverup of it). It's been 20+ years... why haven't those that have been implicated in this case presented evidence to clear their names? Instead they move to NC, UT, or whatever. If they're REALLY innocent, they should present their case... Otherwise, those of us who are still following this case are only left with questions.
    In some cases, there are already judgements that have "exonerated" them - either by declaring that accusations against them were perjury, or by the dismissal of lawsuits against them by DeCamp. Why should they ever confront such accusations again? I'm sure they all have lives to live and wouldn't want to waste their time & money answering to every Tom, Dick & Harry that comes along for the next 20 years...

    Bonacci is unique, as far as this goes. As you've said, Bonacci has attempted to "confess" to committing kidnapping, rape, torture and murder, and has never been exonerated of any of his allegations against himself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Harrold View Post
    In some cases, there are already judgements that have "exonerated" them - either by declaring that accusations against them were perjury, or by the dismissal of lawsuits against them by DeCamp. Why should they ever confront such accusations again? I'm sure they all have lives to live and wouldn't want to waste their time & money answering to every Tom, Dick & Harry that comes along for the next 20 years...
    So, instead of putting the argument to rest 20 years ago they waste their time & money moving from state to state? In my opinion, THAT'S a huge red flag! What are they running from? Yes, I know that they are not required to prove their innocence in a court of law, however public opinion is a different matter. If it was me and I was innocent, I would have cleared my name 20 years ago - DNA test made public.

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    Roy, sorry but you seem to break your own rules. You do not want anyone saying anything that can't be proven against law enforcement,etc, then you proceed to degrade and make silly fun of Gunderson, Rothstein, and all the others you disagree with.

    The tone of this whole thread is the reason that so few people choose to post here....because if they have any notion that a conspiracy might actually exist in this case, they are readily dismissed and chastized. They are fed stories about people who got "obssessed" with the Gosch case, then conspiracies in general, and eventually ended it all. Then they are told in a condescending manner, "Don't let this obssession carry you away!"

    I'm not a "conspiracy theorist." I don't believe my family or my government or lizards or aliens are out to get me. But after reading about Troy Boner and his death, and Alicia Owen and her way-too-long imprisonment, Paul Bonacci and his ability to label names and places and events correctly....I just believe that something very big happened and unfortunately, it probably involved some very important people. That doesn't mean that every cop is bad, or every politician is crooked, or every banker is perverted.....

    I try to respect every opinion offered. I understand and accept that I don't "know it all" and no one else here does either. Therefore our opinions are just based on our gut feelings and our best intellectual guesses. I don't feel the need to set anyone straight.

    BUT....I am tired of being run-down and run-over just because I think Johnny Gosch and the Franklin Case are related. If you don't believe Gosch was kidnapped and taken into this pedophile ring, then you can share your theories with us. I will read it. But let me have my right to discuss my theories, too, without having someone here be self-righteous and condescending while telling me how wrong I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shefner View Post
    Roy, sorry but you seem to break your own rules. You do not want anyone saying anything that can't be proven against law enforcement,etc, then you proceed to degrade and make silly fun of Gunderson, Rothstein, and all the others you disagree with.

    The tone of this whole thread is the reason that so few people choose to post here....because if they have any notion that a conspiracy might actually exist in this case, they are readily dismissed and chastized. They are fed stories about people who got "obssessed" with the Gosch case, then conspiracies in general, and eventually ended it all. Then they are told in a condescending manner, "Don't let this obssession carry you away!"

    I'm not a "conspiracy theorist." I don't believe my family or my government or lizards or aliens are out to get me. But after reading about Troy Boner and his death, and Alicia Owen and her way-too-long imprisonment, Paul Bonacci and his ability to label names and places and events correctly....I just believe that something very big happened and unfortunately, it probably involved some very important people. That doesn't mean that every cop is bad, or every politician is crooked, or every banker is perverted.....

    I try to respect every opinion offered. I understand and accept that I don't "know it all" and no one else here does either. Therefore our opinions are just based on our gut feelings and our best intellectual guesses. I don't feel the need to set anyone straight.

    BUT....I am tired of being run-down and run-over just because I think Johnny Gosch and the Franklin Case are related. If you don't believe Gosch was kidnapped and taken into this pedophile ring, then you can share your theories with us. I will read it. But let me have my right to discuss my theories, too, without having someone here be self-righteous and condescending while telling me how wrong I am.
    Very good post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WSTarheel View Post
    So, instead of putting the argument to rest 20 years ago they waste their time & money moving from state to state? In my opinion, THAT'S a huge red flag! What are they running from? Yes, I know that they are not required to prove their innocence in a court of law, however public opinion is a different matter. If it was me and I was innocent, I would have cleared my name 20 years ago - DNA test made public.
    But that's the point. In some cases, person's against whom Paul Bonacci or Owens made accusations were proven innocent, in a court of law, of the allegations - by Bonacci or Owens being convicted of perjuring themselves with regard to those allegations.
    Last edited by Roy Harrold; 03-28-2008 at 10:54 PM. Reason: added "or Owens"

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    I apologize if I've made you feel unwelcome shefner.

    Please do proceed to express yourself.
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