CA CA - Kern Co., Fem HC497, 20-25, under concrete floor of foundry, May'73

Richard · Apr 5, 2008

Unidentified Unknown Race Female
The victim was discovered on May 3, 1973 in Kern County, California
Estimated Date of Death: circa 1948 25 years
State of Remains: Skeletal

Vital Statistics
Estimated age: 20-25 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'153
Dentals: Available Would have had prominent buck teeth.
Fingerprints: Not availble.
DNA: Not availble.

Case History
The victim was found buried 30 inches under concrete floor of a foundry in Kern County, California on May 3, 1973. Authorities believe that the body had been buried approximately 25 years.

Investigators
If you have any information about this case please contact:

Bakersfield Police Department
Kern County Coroner
661-326-380

You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

Agency Case Numbers:
Sheriff Case - # 073 H11935
Coroner Case # H11935
NCIC Number: U-77260062

Please refer to these numbers when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

Source Information:

The Doe Network: Hot Case 497

LINK:

http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase497.html

Richard · Jan 30, 2012

Bumping case up. This Jane Doe was probably killed way back in 1948. Does anyone have more information?

PricklyPear · Mar 26, 2015

Wow, coming up on 70 years without an ID.

What about Frances Groves? https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/17377/0/
Height fits, and her teeth look prominent to me, but her age is off and the year is wrong. But they said year was estimated and Kern and Riverside counties are within daytrip distance, depending on which part of the county.

Another possibility: Bertha Smith of Maricopa County, Arizona.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11819/14?current_page=circumstances
Wrote a mysterious letter to her family and disappeared in 1944. Height fits, she seems to have buckteeth, and her age is closer than Frances. Not too close, but within a reasonable range.

FiveFelines · Mar 26, 2015

Here are two others from the 1940s, a bit closer to the estimated age range:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1762dfca.html -- appears to have an overbite

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3228dfaz.html -- said to be traveling to CA

STANDREID · Mar 26, 2015

Has Hodel seen this?

Migmuu · Mar 26, 2015

Patricia Crandall: Age (18 - 19) is one year off, height (5'3) is within range, timing (disappeared March 1949) is consistent.
Shasta County is 466 miles from Kern County, but it says that Patricia was last seen with a black suitcase so it's possible she was going on a trip when she disappeared.

PricklyPear · Mar 26, 2015

Patricia Crandall and especially Lorraine Chance both seem like really good potential matches.

dogperson · Mar 27, 2015

A while back I started a thread on Stella May Horrell. A relative of hers commented on the thread but I have not heard anything since.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...l-18-Phoenix-22-August-1943&highlight=horrell

dogperson · Apr 1, 2016

I have submitted Lorraine Judith Chance to Doe Network as a potential match for this UID.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/chance_lorraine.html

dogperson · Apr 5, 2016

Rocky Wells says this potential match has already been reported to LE.

Tony1902 · Apr 5, 2016

STANDREID said:
Has Hodel seen this?

Are you thinking it could be one of his father's victims, Stan?

amputate · Apr 25, 2016

Bump.

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digitective · Oct 22, 2017

PricklyPear said:
Wow, coming up on 70 years without an ID.

What about Frances Groves? https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/17377/0/
Height fits, and her teeth look prominent to me, but her age is off and the year is wrong. But they said year was estimated and Kern and Riverside counties are within daytrip distance, depending on which part of the county.

Another possibility: Bertha Smith of Maricopa County, Arizona.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11819/14?current_page=circumstances
Wrote a mysterious letter to her family and disappeared in 1944. Height fits, she seems to have buckteeth, and her age is closer than Frances. Not too close, but within a reasonable range.

Think Frances is too much of a stretch, age-wise. Bertha could be a fit but not sure how they'd match them because Jane Doe only has dentals available and Bertha doesn't.

digitective · Oct 22, 2017

dogperson said:
I have submitted Lorraine Judith Chance to Doe Network as a potential match for this UID.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/chance_lorraine.html

I think Lorraine's teeth look too straight to be "buck teeth" like JD is described as having -- her teeth are large but they're in line with the others, the front teeth don't protrude.

Romulus · Apr 24, 2019

Spontaneous question: why hide it, bury it right there? Maybe someone who worked or knew that foundry killed her? Or was the foundry abandoned at the time and nobody could see it while doing it?

Romulus · Nov 12, 2019

This case is entered in Namus!

https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/61429

Other distinctive physical characteristic: Decedent likely had prominent front teeth

dogperson · Feb 18, 2020

This missing lady made me think of the UID. She's very tall and I can't see any height listed for the Kern county UID. I expect the remains were skeletal but sometimes they can still judge the height by the length of the leg bones.

In the photos her upper teeth might protrude a little but it's hard to tell. In one photo her mouth is closed but her upper lip seems to stick out a little further than the lower lip. The Kern County PD is in charge of Ms. Long's case.
Geneva Beatrice Long – The Charley Project

GJKJR · Feb 18, 2020

Looks like Jane Doe is estimated at 5'1" - 5'3" (61-63 inches). Geneva would be way over that, but if they meant 6'1" - 6'3", then it would more closely fit. The similarity in timing and location is pretty interesting, I'd say.

Mrs. Badcrumble · Feb 18, 2020

Updating the DoeNetwork link from post #1:

1482UFCA

Date of Discovery: May 3, 1973
Location of Discovery: Kern County, California
Estimated Date of Death: Circa 1948
State of Remains: Skeletal
Cause of Death: Unknown

Physical Description
Estimated Age: 20-25 years old
Race: Unknown
Sex: Female
Height: 5'1" to 5'3"
Weight: Unknown
Hair Color: Unknown
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Unknown

Identifiers
Dentals: Available. Protruding front teeth.
Fingerprints: Not available.
DNA: Not available.

Clothing & Personal Items
Clothing: Unknown
Jewelry: Unknown
Additional Personal Items: Unknown

Circumstances of Discovery
The decedent was found buried 30 inches under concrete floor of a foundry in Kern County, California on May 3, 1973.

Authorities believe that the body had been buried approximately 25 years.

Investigating Agency(s)
Agency Name: Bakersfield Police Department
Agency Contact Person: N/A
Agency Phone Number: 661-326-3537
Agency E-Mail: bpdhomicide(at)bakersfieldpd.us
Agency Case Number: 073 H11935

Agency Name: Kern County Coroner's Office
Agency Contact Person: Dawn Ratliff
Agency Phone Number: 661-868-0110 or 661-868-0100
Agency E-Mail: Ratliff(at)kernsheriff.org
Agency Case Number: Unknown

NCIC Case Number: U77260062
NamUs Case Number: Not listed
Former Hot Case Number: 497

Information Source(s)
Bakersfield Police Department

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Nothing more to add for now, only that this case reminds me of one of my pet cases, Irondequoit Jane Doe.

Mrs. Badcrumble · Aug 30, 2020

The NamUs page for Concrete Floor Jane Doe:

Female
Uncertain
Date Body Found: May 3, 1973
Location Found: Kern County, California
Estimated Age Range: --

Case Information

Case Numbers
NCMEC Number: --
ME/C Case Number: 73-11475

Demographics
Sex: Female
Race / Ethnicity: Uncertain

Possible First Name: --
Possible Middle Name: --
Possible Last Name: --
Nickname/Alias: --

Estimated Age Group: Adult - Pre 30
Estimated Age Range (Years): --

Estimated Year of Death: --
Estimated PMI: --

Height: 5' 1"-5' 3"(61-63 inches) , Estimated
Weight: Cannot Estimate

Circumstances
Type: Unidentified Deceased
Date Body Found: May 3, 1973

NamUs Case Created: November 7, 2019
ME/C QA Reviewed: --

Location Found Map
Location: California
County: Kern County
GPS Coordinates (Not Mapped): --
Found On Tribal Land: Unknown

Circumstances of Recovery:
Decedent was located underneath the concrete floor of a building, estimated to be there around 25 years.

Details of Recovery
Inventory of Remains: --
Condition of Remains: Not recognizable - Near complete or complete skeleton

Physical Description
Hair Color: Unknown
Head Hair Description: --
Body Hair Description: --
Facial Hair Description: --

Left Eye Color: Unknown
Right Eye Color: Unknown
Eye Description: --

Distinctive Physical Features
Item:

Description / Other distinctive physical characteristic:

-Decedent likely had prominent front teeth

Clothing and Accessories
No Information Entered

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