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    CA- Lopez Canyon, WhtFem 587UFCA, 16-26, Purple Bell Bottoms, Apr'76

    Unidentified White Female
    The victim was discovered on April 11, 1976 in Los Angeles County, California
    Estimated Date of Death: a few days prior

    Sketches of victim can be seen at below link.

    Vital Statistics
    Estimated age: 18-23 years old (most likely 20)
    Approximate Height and Weight: 100-120 lbs
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Mid-back length brown hair, with blond traces near scalp; brown eyes, plucked eyebrows. A one inch vertical scar 3 inches below right knee cap. Small build. No tattoos.
    Dentals: Available. Victim has a full silver cap on left upper first molar, with lower right front molar missing for some time.
    Clothing: Tan multi-colored print blouse, with rust colored tree figures, long sleeves with elastic cuffs, worn midriff style, size medium. Labeled "styled in California". No brassier found. Purple bell-bottom trousers with 2 inch wide cuffs, with two metal snaps and zipper in front, labeled "male" made in USA, also wearing light green panties with "Thursday" embroidered in darker green stitching; black clog shoes with heavy leather straps, 4 inch high solid heels with 3/4 inch crepe soles. Found near the victim was a brown, cotton suede jacket with white wool collar and cuffs. Labeled" Londontown by Checkpoint", second label marked "RN504858 made in Taiwan". No jewelry.

    Clothing & Shoe sketches can be seen in below link

    Case History
    The victim was located in a remote canyon area 90 feet west of a paved portion of Lopez Canyon road. Victims pants and panties were pulled down.

    Investigators
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    LASD Homicide/Cold Case Unit
    Richard Kennerly
    323-890-5500
    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.
    Coroner Case Number: 76-4631
    LASD Case Number: 1976-01038-1254-011 / Jane Doe # 25

    Please refer to these numbers when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

    Source Information:
    LASD Homicide/Cold Case Unit
    The Doe Network: Case File 587UFCA

    LINK:

    http://doenetwork.org/cases/587ufca.html
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    Could this be her

    Wilma Rae Vermaas
    Missing since April 3, 1976 from West Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California.
    Classification: Missing



    Date Of Birth: May 24, 1952
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 23 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4"; 110 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
    Marks, Scars: Scar on left knee, discoloration on abdomen

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    It certainly looks close. Same hair, eyes, weight, location, date, age. And even a scar near the knee - although one says left and the other right.

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    I noticed that but I wondered if being under stress whoever gave the information could have gotten it confused. If they pictured it in their mind and was facing her it would be on their left but on her right leg. just odd that everything goes but wrong leg.

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    LE is checking this out...

    Quote Originally Posted by tlstcb View Post
    Wilma Rae Vermaas
    Missing since April 3, 1976 from West Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California.
    Classification: Missing ...
    Got a message from the Doenetwork today stating that LE is currently checking on this possible match.

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    thats great news.

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    Bumping up. Any news?

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    News?

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    Is there any way of getting a rule out list on this young lady? Wilma Rae Vermaas was my first guess too but given the long period of time with no response from LE I'm guessing that she's been ruled out.

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    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...aas_wilma.html for Vermass at Charley Project

    On Doe Network see case # 1162DFCA for Vermass at http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1162dfca.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by hmg View Post
    Is there any way of getting a rule out list on this young lady? Wilma Rae Vermaas was my first guess too but given the long period of time with no response from LE I'm guessing that she's been ruled out.
    I'm guessing email to the Namus case manager and maybe they can provide anyone already ruled out.

    https://identifyus.org/cases/4452

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    I was just taking a close look at this possible match between Wilma Rae Vermaas and LASD Jane Doe #25, and saw something that did not get any mention on this thread.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...aas_wilma.html
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/587ufca.html

    The Charley Project write-up on WRV indicates:

    both her upper front teeth are false, and one of her lower front teeth is a baby tooth and smaller than the others.
    The DoeNet profile on JD25 includes a link to the UID's dental chart. I saw this when we were looking at the Purple Bells girl in the Alcala thread, but I didn't think of looking at it with respect to WRV.

    http://doenetwork.org/cases/images/587UFCAdentals.jpg

    With respect to the upper front teeth, it appears to match. For JD25's two upper front teeth (#8 and 9), it indicates "Plastic Crowns - No Metal Coping" (Coping is the inside core of a dental crown).

    However, with respect to the lower teeth, there is no indication of a baby tooth, or that one is smaller than the others. It only indicates a 2MM gap between her lower central incisors (#24 and 25), and describes her four lower front teeth as "Normal".

    Could there be an error in either Charley Project's description of WRV's lower teeth, or maybe the coroner overlooked something in the dental charts? --- Maybe --- But if not, this would appear to be a rule-out, despite the tantalizing matching details about the crowns on #8 and #9.

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    Could LASD Jane Doe Number 25 be Sallie Margaret Reed? The Sketch of JD #25 has the same facial shape as Sallie Reed, and both have same hair and eye color. Sallie went missing a 02/76, and JD #25 was discovered 4/76.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/reed_sallie.html

    http://doenetwork.org/cases/587ufca.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Got a message from the Doenetwork today stating that LE is currently checking on this possible match.
    Just noticed that Wilma Vermaas is now listed on the Rule-outs list for Lopez Canyon Jane Doe (LASD Jane Doe #25).

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    I came across this flyer about the unknown lady. I'm not sure if it has any information not posted here other than her cause of death was not able to be determined due to the condition of the body.
    http://lacountymurders.com/wanted/Un...8-1254-011.pdf

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    NamUs just added a photo to Linda Miller's previously No Photo casefile:

    Linda Ann Miller
    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/11802/0



    She reportedly went to Guadalajara, Mexico with a friend and never returned. So assuming that's true, this would not be a match. The three-year lag is also somewhat of a problem.

    However, if we presume that she didn't really go to Mexico, this might be a decent possible.

    She is wearing a long-sleeved print blouse worn midriff style, just as did the jane doe. This is obviously not the same blouse, but Jane Doe did have similar fashion sense.

    And she has a very similar heart shaped facial structure, and straight hair well past the shoulders. Her age would be about right, and her height is within an inch.

    UID Links:
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/587ufca.html
    https://identifyus.org/cases/4452
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    I just got off the phone with the detective in charge of Linda Miller's MP case. I had e-mailed him last night, asking him (1) whether her male friend CWK is still unaccounted for and listed in NCIC as a Missing Person, (2) whether there was a reasonable certainty that Linda and CWK actually did go to Guadalajara and didn't return, and (3) whether Linda had ever been compared to the Lopez Canyon Jane Doe.

    We had a very pleasant conversation, and the detective provided a lot of additional information that isn't indicated in Linda's NamUs casefile. He says that they tracked Linda's and CWK's movements to Guadalajara and Puerto Vallarta from their traveler's cheques, some of which were used and some which were not. They had been staying at a hotel which had burned down at that time that they were staying there. But Linda's family did not report her missing untill 2001. By then, San Rafael PD attempted to but was unable to obtain any information from the Mexican authorities regarding any unidentified remains that might have been found in the ashes of the hotel.

    He also said that Linda and CWK were very politically active, and were advocates for the plight of the farmers in Mexico. At the time, there was an active protest movement on behalf of the farmers and against the Mexican government. There is some speculation (though nothing more) that their disappearances were related to their political activities.

    As for CWK, his family reported him missing back then, but he was never entered into NCIC. At the time, MP cases were the responsibility of the jurisdiction where the MP last resided, and CWK lived in a different jurisdiction than Linda did. CWK's parents are now deceased, but he has siblings who are still alive, and he expects that they will file a MP report soon, and he will probably create a NamUs MP casefile for CWK.

    Regarding Lopez Canyon Jane Doe, he says that he will look into it despite the high probability that Linda and CWK never returned from Mexico.

    He is currently in the process of getting all of his 20 outstanding MP cases into NamUs. He was very complimentary of the NamUs system, says that it is far superior to NCIC.

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    Denise Oliverson looks a lot like the woman found in Lopez Canyon, except she went missing from Grand Junction, CO in April 1975 and was thought to have been killed by Ted Bundy.

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    Is it just me that saw a definite similarity between the sketch and a picture of Edna Christine Thorne? Wide forehead, slim nose, somewhat long and pointy chin, eyebrow shape not far off(and it says that the UID had plucked eyebrows), and they both have a quite small mouth(or at least I think Edna’s mouth would appear to be quite small when she’s not smiling).
    She went missing a year earlier from Pennsylvania, fits the lower age range, was probably abducted, so that could explain why she’s in a completely different part of the US than where she went missing, fits the weight range(why no mention of the UID’s height?), and it says that she has brown hair in the description.
    Links to Edna’s case files
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/74dfpa.html
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/thorne_edna.html


    I also thought Sherry Jean Pickle was worth considering.
    She doesn't strike me as perfectly similar, but she has the same wide forehead and long but heart shaped face as the UID. Her eye area looks even more similar to the sketch than Edna's, even if her eyes are described as hazel instead of brown. She fits the weight range, too.

    She went missing in Long Beach, California, in 1972 aged 15, which would make her 19,5 years in April 1976. Exactly in the middle of the age range. She was believed to have hitchhiked to Los Angeles.

    The fractured ankle and scar makes me think that it's not a complete possibility, though.

    Links to her case files
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1099dfca.html
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...le_sherry.html
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    This Jane Doe reminds me of Patty Hearst:


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    UID's Height

    Quote Originally Posted by Persephone View Post
    [IMG](why no mention of the UIDís height?)
    NamUs is the only website that lists her height --
    Height (inches) 65, Measured
    It also lists her weight as being measured at 130 lbs.

    https://identifyus.org/cases/4452

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambercat View Post
    NamUs is the only website that lists her height --

    It also lists her weight as being measured at 130 lbs.

    https://identifyus.org/cases/4452
    Oh, okay. I mostly looked at the Doe Network site(where height is not listed), and as I'm not from the US, I have to calculate it online for it to make sense to me if it's only listed in inches. So 5 foot 5, or 1,65 metres, right? Will edit the post now. Thanks for adding the info!

    EDIT: Couldn't fix my original post, so I'll just add my thoughts here.

    That means that Edna is a bit smaller than the UID, but as she disappeared at only fifteen years of age, she might have grown a few inches and put on weight.
    Sherry Lynn Pickle is also one inch shorter and weighs less, but I've seen cases with bigger discrepansies listed as possible matches before. Except for the scar on her foot, she fits the facts on the Doenetwork case listing well to me.
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    I know that Phyllis Berry went missing from Texas in November 1975, but something about her reminded me of this UID. https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2927/28/

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    Made me think of Rodney Alcala. I wonder if this could be one of his victims? There was a pic of a girl in Purple Bell bottoms on his site but I think she was found alive? Does anyone know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleuthster View Post
    Made me think of Rodney Alcala. I wonder if this could be one of his victims? There was a pic of a girl in Purple Bell bottoms on his site but I think she was found alive? Does anyone know?
    Yes - the purple bells girl from the Alcala photos was ID'd and is still alive. Prior to her coming forward, there was a lot of discussion that she might be this UID. Her clothing matched almost perfectly to the description of the UID's clothing.
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