04-13-2008, 01:27 AM #1
Theories On The Laureans' Involvement In Maria's Murder
Here is the thread you wanted, Snow! (At least, I think it is what you wanted.)
Post your theories of Maria's murder with no discussion please.
Who actually killed her, how did they cover it up for a month, and what were the motives for her murder? Let's see who had this case figured out when the final gavel is thrown.
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04-13-2008, 09:17 AM #2
I think it was Christina. I really do. Maybe a situation like that of the Cadets who murdered the "other woman". But I believe Christina was the driving force."The greatest crimes do not arise from a want of feeling for others but fromover-sensibility for ourselves and an over-indulgence to our own desires."~~ Edmund Burke
04-13-2008, 11:44 AM #3Former Member
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XTINA! IMO Cesar's involvement came in with helping her cover it up, dispose of Maria as well as her personal property. Motive? Xtina if it came out, would have lost all of her standing in the community, been talked about etc. As it stood, prior to the child being born that was possibly/probably Cesar's she could just snap back by saying it wa an obsessed coworker who was doing whatever she could to get Cesar's attention. After all noone likes to admit that their spouse went elsewhere If one kwim. And let one not forget these are NOT adults, these are "kids" who are just learning who they are, as well as about life in general, emotions are pretty heady stuff at any time, let alone at that age. It's almost ALWAYS the "other woman' who catches the blame, not the boyfriend/spouse/significant other when it comes to cheating in my experiences.
I do believe that Maria and Cesar had an affair, when and how it turned sour I don't know.
Remember - the note that Maria wrote DID have people fooled, IMO there is (for the most part) a HUGE difference in the handwriting of a man versus a handwriting of a woman. therefore, with that thought in mind, I even think Xtina probably wrote the notes that Maria left behind.
04-13-2008, 11:53 AM #4
I'm still torn as to who actually committed the murder but Xtina definitely helped in the cover up. They are both equally guilty regardless. Not sure of motive yet either. Either jealous Xtina wanted to remove the competition or one or both of them had reason to get rid of baby and that could only be accomplished by murdering the mother. (Gee, not very decisive, am I?)
04-13-2008, 12:43 PM #5Registered User
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Maybe, and I'm just throwing this out there, maybe they BOTH planned this murder. It would be to both of their advantages for Maria to be "gone".
I feel Christina had a part in this as well as Cesar. It was getting too close to Maria's due date so they HAD to do something.
Orchestrated. Each had a part to play. JMO"Kicks just keep getting harder to find"....
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04-13-2008, 01:08 PM #6Registered User
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IMO - Murder was committed by CL and another man. Motive was to take the baby or distroy the baby. It got out of hand and they killed her because she fought them. She was kidnapped and taken to his house. The note was not written by Maria or was dictated to her. It is written in code so people will know it is not sincere. Note, car at bus station, ticket, ID on top of the bushes at the bus station across the street from the police station were a set up to make it look like she left on her own. All too many easy clues for the police. Xtina found out after the fact.
04-13-2008, 06:40 PM #7Registered User
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Murder was committed by Cesar. The cover up was pretty easy as I think they had the bbq planned so Christina would have been none the wiser about a body being there(if she saw im digging, she wouldn't IMO be suspicious about that either...the painting I think had already been planned as well...to make their home look nicer when they had the big party and...so that wouldn't have been suspicious to her either.
As for the motive..it's the BIGGEST and most common one...a baby that wasn't wanted by the father.
SS, GREAT JOB on this thread!!!! Thanks!!!
04-13-2008, 06:58 PM #8Rest in Peace
Joey, Summer, Gianni & Joseph Mateo
04-13-2008, 06:59 PM #9
04-14-2008, 09:42 PM #10
Thanks for the names! I used that case for a case study for a class and for the life of me could not remember their names when I posted. How sad is that?!! LOL
I think it was a similiar situation here. As you said, "hell hath no fury...". Zamora and Graham were younger than the Laurean's, but not by that much then add in the fact that the L's were married, had a child, and were both Marines and, imo, you end up with a bomb just sitting there ticking. I am not in any way, shape, or form knocking Marines. My dad was one and as the saying goes "there are no retired Marines." I know the sacrifices they make for our country being the first in. I also know the fierce loyalty and strength which is, for lack of a better word, bred into them. They are intense to say the least. I feel this played a massive part in the manner Christina viewed the break of their vows. Be it by rape or a relationship with Maria, she is young enough to blame the other woman no matter what and fiercely loyal and determined to save her man and marriage. She and Cesar could easily have viewed this murder as a necessity to preserve their marriage. And Marines are fierce once they set their mind to something. It could also explain how they/he could murder a woman carrying a defenseless child...his child...Marines (as any soldier must in combat) detach and become machine like in battle. Had they viewed this as part of a war, they could easily detach and go on with the murder with little to no emotion."The greatest crimes do not arise from a want of feeling for others but fromover-sensibility for ourselves and an over-indulgence to our own desires."~~ Edmund Burke
04-14-2008, 09:49 PM #11Registered User
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Pocono I might would buy that story if they were actual ''combat'' Marines. They were office clerks. And I do believe Christine was only a reservist. Yes they were Marines but not really in the sense that they were fierce killing machines. (ok yes they were but they did it cowardly)
04-14-2008, 09:55 PM #12Former Member
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04-14-2008, 10:16 PM #13Registered User
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I was in a combat MOS(military ocupational specalty) for all but 2 years of my enlistment.I was in combat situations,but even after all of that I knew the differance between an armed enemy and a fellow Marine,especially a pregnant one and civilians.CL is listed at 5 foot 9,my height and 170/175,what I weighed while I was in.Maria is listed at 5 foot 4 and 140,8.5 months pregnant.There is no way,even on my worst day after the stuff I was through or any of my buddies that I or them would consider her a hostile threat that needed to be eliminated.We all agreed on that.You could back peddle to get away from her if she did come at you.This killing was spur of the moment and out of rage.
04-15-2008, 09:45 AM #14
[quote=davenj;2136416]I was in a combat MOS(military ocupational specalty) for all but 2 years of my enlistment.I was in combat situations,but even after all of that I knew the differance between an armed enemy and a fellow Marine,especially a pregnant one and civilians.CL is listed at 5 foot 9,my height and 170/175,what I weighed while I was in.Maria is listed at 5 foot 4 and 140,8.5 months pregnant.There is no way,even on my worst day after the stuff I was through or any of my buddies that I or them would consider her a hostile threat that needed to be eliminated.We all agreed on that.You could back peddle to get away from her if she did come at you.This killing was spur of the moment and out of rage.[/quo
That is true of you and your buddies, but everyone is different with different mindsets and personality traits. Plus you can say how you think you would react in the same/similiar situation but when emotions are hot and you are in the middle of a mess, you may not react as you thought you would. There are many factors you have to consider here.
As for their being desk jockeys, yes, they were and I understand they weren't in Iraq or combat of any sort. That does not change the initial training. And again you have to factor in any control issues either one of them had, mental state at the time, and past/current mental health issues. There are, in fact, people who have extremely confrontational personality's with control/anger issues which have been aggravated by adding in military training. I am NOT faulting the Marines here or their training. My dad was never in combat either. But that didn't change how he reacted to basic training etc. His childhood and family history pulled into play. Add in training like that and you can very well end up with a ticking bomb.
It's just my thoughts on the situation at hand. This case could have easily been avoided, imo. Maria did not have to die and neither did her child. This was a situation which should have been addressed before it got out of hand. AND, again imo, the Marines in charge at that base are partially responsible. She was harassed many times. She reported a rape. She reported harassment. And in many ways because she was a woman, she was abandoned."The greatest crimes do not arise from a want of feeling for others but fromover-sensibility for ourselves and an over-indulgence to our own desires."~~ Edmund Burke
04-15-2008, 10:25 AM #15Registered User
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I agree with you that the Marines did botch the whole thing.If Onslow County and the Marines were on the same page he wouldn't have been in Mexico when caught.
CL is a worm if ya ask me.Me decieved/lied to his wife about the whole thing.He decieved/lied to Maria to get her to date him.He lit the candle and fanned the flames.That flame eventually jumped up and burned him.
He should have in my opinion,manned up,admitted to what he had done and dealt with the consequences.Divorce,rape charge,adultery charge or whatever.Heck,when I was in me and my buddies did some dumb stuff,but we owned up to it and got what we deserved for it.He is neither a man or a Marine if you ask me.
I'd like to see him and or Christina locked up for a long time or ideally get a state sponsored injection for what he/they did.It seems to me it all comes back to CL,thinking about no one but himself or the result of his actions.
Hopping off my soapbox now.Coffee time