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    Verdict in NYC Sean Bell Shooting by NYPD

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    NOT GUILTY.

    Being a New Yorker I have been following this since the night Sean Bell was murdered and I am sick to hear the NYPD has once again gotten away with the murder of an innocent, unarmed man. I expected two of the officers to be acquitted but I really thought the officer who fired over 30 times would be found guilty... I was wrong and so is Judge Cooperman

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    Let's hope this doesn't turn out the way LA did when the cops were found not guilty in the Rodney King case- what an ugly time that was.

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    I actually think the Judge did a great job. The prosececutors didn't present their case well, and many of their witnesses contradicted each other and were not that credible.

    I think what happened to Sean Bell is tragic, and he certainly did not deserve to die that way. But I still think the Judge did the best with what was presented to him.

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    I don't understand the need for the over-kill? I also don't understand why Al Sharpton was there? I don't like that man and it seems like anytime he comes around things don't go right... I feel so bad for Sean's parents my heart breaks for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterj View Post
    I actually think the Judge did a great job. The prosececutors didn't present their case well, and many of their witnesses contradicted each other and were not that credible.

    I think what happened to Sean Bell is tragic, and he certainly did not deserve to die that way. But I still think the Judge did the best with what was presented to him.
    You're right the prosecutions case was a mess and the whole case is tricky. One has to keep in mind the phrase, 'beyond a shadow of a doubt' which I admit is hard when you feel emotional about something.
    I understand, whether the officers would ever admit it, they were probably scared, didn't know what they were dealing and they over-reacted but they are supposed to be trained to deal with that pressure so something like this doesn't happen. I think Officer Oliver who emptied his gun, reloaded it and the emptied again at people who were not shooting back at him was acting recklessly and as a result of his manical shooting a man is dead and I really believe he should face judicial consequences for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaia227 View Post
    You're right the prosecutions case was a mess and the whole case is tricky. One has to keep in mind the phrase, 'beyond a shadow of a doubt' which I admit is hard when you feel emotional about something.
    I understand, whether the officers would ever admit it, they were probably scared, didn't know what they were dealing and they over-reacted but they are supposed to be trained to deal with that pressure so something like this doesn't happen. I think Officer Oliver who emptied his gun, reloaded it and the emptied again at people who were not shooting back at him was acting recklessly and as a result of his manical shooting a man is dead and I really believe he should face judicial consequences for that.
    Yes - I completely agree with your entire post, but especially the part I bolded.

    I have a big problem with Sean's fiance and loved ones turning him into a martyr. He was at a strip club after hours, drinking and smoking pot with his friends, allegedly getting frisky with the strippers and coming on to them. Then he and his buddies engage in words with another guy, threats are tossed around, and the whole thing comes to a head when he slams his car into a police car, refusing to stop for the police. Sean did not deserve to die or get shot so many times, but he was no choir boy or completely innocent by any means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterj View Post
    Yes - I completely agree with your entire post, but especially the part I bolded.

    I have a big problem with Sean's fiance and loved ones turning him into a martyr. He was at a strip club after hours, drinking and smoking pot with his friends, allegedly getting frisky with the strippers and coming on to them. Then he and his buddies engage in words with another guy, threats are tossed around, and the whole thing comes to a head when he slams his car into a police car, refusing to stop for the police. Sean did not deserve to die or get shot so many times, but he was no choir boy or completely innocent by any means.
    Who of us is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaia227 View Post
    One has to keep in mind the phrase, 'beyond a shadow of a doubt' which I admit is hard when you feel emotional about something.
    It doesn't have to be beyond a shadow of a doubt, just beyond a reasonable doubt. Right?
    Just thinkin' out loud....


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    Quote Originally Posted by absinthe View Post
    Who of us is?
    Well I would like to think that most of us don't go around trying to run over a police officer and then hitting police cars with our cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterj View Post
    Well I would like to think that most of us don't go around trying to run over a police officer and then hitting police cars with our cars.

    Of course not, but I think that judging a victim based on his or her character (or lack thereof) is a slippery slope.


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    Quote Originally Posted by absinthe View Post
    Of course not, but I think that judging a victim based on his or her character (or lack thereof) is a slippery slope.
    I know what you are saying, but my thoughts on Sean are of his actions on that night in question. I understand his family is rightfully devastated, but that doesn't mean that his behaviour and actions on that night should be overlooked. I am not blaming him for his death and I think the trigger happy officer should be held accountable. But I do understand why the officers thought there was a gun and that their lives were in danger.

    Did you follow this trial and read the testimony?

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    A slippery slope, please.

    Of course the character of the victim is relevant, along with criminal history, conduct, drug use, whom they associate with. It is all relevant.

    So if a victim is a church going choir member who has never harmed another person in their life. Is devoted to their family, volunteers at an animal shelter as opposed to a person who deals drugs, beats up people, bullies strangers and family members alike and harms animals.

    A person's character is relevant in a lot of situations. People "often" attempt to hide behind a "facade" of their character and "con people" into thinking that they are upstanding when in fact, after an arrest, they are not, but they used the "cloak" of a facade to get away with crimes.

    We judge people by what they do and that goes to character.

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    I feel very sorry for his family, but I had the idea that they would never be convicted as soon as I read it. I'm not exactly sure why, but considering the who's and the what's it just didn't look good. I was hoping the one who did most of the shooting would at least get something -- there is no call for that much shooting at anything.

    I also hope that this doesn't turn into a big racial fallout as well. Al Sharpton's main goal there was to do that -- or at least I firmly believe he saw this as his chance to start something that NO ONE could ingnore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterj View Post
    I know what you are saying, but my thoughts on Sean are of his actions on that night in question. I understand his family is rightfully devastated, but that doesn't mean that his behaviour and actions on that night should be overlooked. I am not blaming him for his death and I think the trigger happy officer should be held accountable. But I do understand why the officers thought there was a gun and that their lives were in danger.

    Did you follow this trial and read the testimony?
    No, I didn't read the testimony. And certainly, charging at officers with a car is deadly force had should be handled as such. However, I don't think that his being at a strip club and use of drugs and alcohol should be relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberLaw View Post
    A slippery slope, please.

    Of course the character of the victim is relevant, along with criminal history, conduct, drug use, whom they associate with. It is all relevant.

    So if a victim is a church going choir member who has never harmed another person in their life. Is devoted to their family, volunteers at an animal shelter as opposed to a person who deals drugs, beats up people, bullies strangers and family members alike and harms animals.

    A person's character is relevant in a lot of situations. People "often" attempt to hide behind a "facade" of their character and "con people" into thinking that they are upstanding when in fact, after an arrest, they are not, but they used the "cloak" of a facade to get away with crimes.

    We judge people by what they do and that goes to character.
    If a person is truly a victim, then no, Cyber Law, I don't believe it should matter in the courtroom.

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