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    Prosecuting the Crime of Bigamy

    This thread is for past and present cases of Prosecution
    of the Crime of Bigamy in the United States.

    Until a year ago, I was completely ignorant of the rampant flaunting of
    anti-bigamy laws and, worse, the complicity of "law enforcement" in places
    like Hildale, Utah/Colorady City, Arizona--the original home of the FLDS.

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    I'll start with the case of FLDS member Rodney Holm, to whom FLDS Prophet Rulon Jeffs "gave" 16-year-old Ruth Stubbs as his third "celestial wife."


    May 18, 2006

    Bigamy Conviction Stands for Former Utah Policeman, Rodney Holm


    The Utah Supreme Court upheld the 2003 bigamy conviction of a former Hildale police officer, ruling that a law banning polygamy is not unconstitutional.

    Holm was convicted of felony bigamy and two counts of unlawful sexual conduct with a minor. He had argued that the state's bigamy statute violated his right to practice his religion.

    The court said that religious protections of the U.S. and Utah constitutions "do not shield [Rodney] Holm's polygamous practices from state prosecution."

    Holm is a member of the Fundamentalist LDS Church (not the Morman Church, which banned polygamy in 1890).

    http://fightbigamy.typepad.com/my_we..._convicti.html




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    Just in case Texas law enforcement decides to go this way with the FLDS, here's the Texan law against bigamy:

    ***"TEXAS

    TITLE 6. OFFENSES AGAINST THE FAMILY
    CHAPTER 25. OFFENSES AGAINST THE FAMILY

    25.01. BIGAMY.
    (a) An individual commits an offense if:

    (1) he is legally married and he:
    (A) purports to marry or does marry a person other than his spouse in this state, or any other state or foreign country, under circumstances that would, but for the actor's prior marriage, constitute a marriage; or
    (B) lives with a person other than his spouse in this state under the appearance of being married; or

    (2) he knows that a married person other than his spouse is married and he:
    (A) purports to marry or does marry that person in this state, or any other state or foreign country, under circumstances that would, but for the person's prior marriage, constitute a marriage; or
    (B) lives with that person in this state under the appearance of being married.

    (b) For purposes of this section, "under the appearance of being married" means holding out that the parties are married with cohabitation and an intent to be married by either party.

    (c) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(1) that the actor reasonably believed that his marriage was void or had been dissolved by death, divorce, or annulment.

    (d) For the purposes of this section, the lawful wife or husband of the actor may testify both for or against the actor concerning proof of the original marriage.

    (e) An offense under this section is a
    Third Degree Felony."


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    I think bigamy is repressive. IMO.

    it may be said how can it be repressive if all adults involved are agreeable to any such arrangement. i say "think of the children" and what values they may bring to society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floh View Post
    I think bigamy is repressive. IMO.

    it may be said how can it be repressive if all adults involved are agreeable to any such arrangement. i say "think of the children" and what values they may bring to society.
    I can see bigamy, with or without children, working for some people and I do not have an inherent problem with it as an institution. I do think the bigamy in the FLDS was repressive to women, but I also believe that some women are okay with being repressed and surpressed. (witness slave/master relationships (not illegal) in the BDSM world - a lifestyle which fully explores these issues).

    I do think bigamy could make family law in our country impossibly confusing (ie - were divorce and/or custody issues thrown into the mix with more than two partners).

    As far as the values it brings to the society via the children - our definition of family has had to change over the years and it is continuing to evolve and change. Families do not look the same as they did even 40 years ago. I appreciate this diversity and its underlying statement that family is more about love than blood.

    I do believe that bigamists feel supported by the Bible (and FLDS even more so by the direct prophesy of plural marriage). Whether that support is a poor interpretation or not, it certainly can be interpreted. If you believe that God's will is to be fruitful and multiply and populate the land with His people, bigamy makes spiritual sense because it allows the faithful to populate more quickly and raise up their progeny in the way of their faith.

    The Catholic Church has, I believe, a not dissimilar goal, but uses the dictate of most birth control as sin rather than bigamy with offspring to achieve it (ie - populate the planet with more Catholics).

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    I admit to having watched "The Man with Three Wives" on Lifetime more than once just to see the guy get busted and humiliated.

    But, I don't believe the government has a place in the bedrooms of consenting adults.

    Southcitymom is right. Families these days don't look like the families of our grandmother's generation.

    I don't want my husband with another woman under any circumstances. But, in a plural marriage, at least I'd know. (so I could leave)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolynna View Post
    I admit to having watched "The Man with Three Wives" on Lifetime more than once just to see the guy get busted and humiliated.

    But, I don't believe the government has a place in the bedrooms of consenting adults.

    Southcitymom is right. Families these days don't look like the families of our grandmother's generation.

    I don't want my husband with another woman under any circumstances. But, in a plural marriage, at least I'd know. (so I could leave)
    Hee!

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    I am less adamant on bigamy. Yes it is against the law and thus should probably be prosecuted. But with the prevelance of serial marriages, open relationships and adultery in our society, it is kind of hypocritical to prosecute. As long as the relationships were entered into as adults, and willingly by the participants, and there is no incestous relationships involved that is. I do think in this situation incest will be a bigger problem than most anticipate.

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    But what is willing? In an s/M relationship, the sub grew up with their own mind, (male or female) and they are free to be themselves. *THEY* are the ones that actually hold the power, and any Dom worth their salt knows this. The sub makes the Dom, and the Dom knows this, it is the sub who carries the weight, the sub who is stronger. (I had the priveledge to read a "Ask the sub" type topic where this was explained in great detail. Not my cuppa tea, but I see now the Sub does choose.) *BUT* when a girl child is raised, away from outside influences, to think "I will serve my husband, that is just how it is." their whole life, the choice is taken away from them. They don't freely choose, because they were not allowed to grow to have their own mind. Am I making sense? ETA: And a male polygamist would *NEVER* get into s/M. It is competely different. I'll dig up the topic (which got quite heated) for your perusal. ETA2: Here it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew View Post
    I am less adamant on bigamy. Yes it is against the law and thus should probably be prosecuted. But with the prevelance of serial marriages, open relationships and adultery in our society, it is kind of hypocritical to prosecute. As long as the relationships were entered into as adults, and willingly by the participants, and there is no incestous relationships involved that is. I do think in this situation incest will be a bigger problem than most anticipate.
    I agree that this may well be the case. I will not be surprised to see incest in such an insular group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew View Post
    I am less adamant on bigamy. Yes it is against the law and thus should probably be prosecuted. But with the prevelance of serial marriages, open relationships and adultery in our society, it is kind of hypocritical to prosecute. As long as the relationships were entered into as adults, and willingly by the participants, and there is no incestous relationships involved that is. I do think in this situation incest will be a bigger problem than most anticipate.
    I dont understand your use of the word "hypocritical."
    I usually think of hypocrisy as "Do as I say, Not as I do."

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    I took this one from a post by golfmom ....
    Probably important in the history of anti bigamy laws:

    Reynolds v. United States
    Supreme Court of the United States Argued November 14 – 15, 1878
    Decided May 5, 1879
    Full case name: George Reynolds v. United States
    Citations: 98 U.S. 145; 25 L. Ed. 244; 1878 U.S. LEXIS 1374; 8 Otto 145

    Prior history: Defendant convicted, District Court for the 3rd Judicial District of the Territory of Utah; conviction upheld by Supreme Court of the Utah Territory

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    Quote Originally Posted by adnoid View Post
    Don't forget the standard punishment for bigamy - two mothers in law.
    I KNOW! LOL .....
    who in their right mind would want 2 spouses, let alone 30!

    unless only one (if that) has any community property rights!

    hmmmmm .... is Texas a community property state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adnoid View Post
    That's a lot of purses to hold in the mall.
    LOL

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    Purses? They don't got no stinking purses!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew View Post
    I am less adamant on bigamy. Yes it is against the law and thus should probably be prosecuted. But with the prevelance of serial marriages, open relationships and adultery in our society, it is kind of hypocritical to prosecute. As long as the relationships were entered into as adults, and willingly by the participants, and there is no incestous relationships involved that is. I do think in this situation incest will be a bigger problem than most anticipate.
    There's bigamy as in polygamy, and then there's bigamy as in criminal conduct. Ie.. we've all seen on courttv or other crime news programs where there are men or women who con people out of their savings or property by bigamist marriages.

    If the adults come into the relationship of their own free will, I agree, that's their deal. But to have the women or children raised into this without any ability to make an educated and intelligent choice on their own without force, it's absolutely wrong.

    I think you're right, from the many articles I've read there's a high prevalence of allegations of incest within the sect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mollymalone View Post
    But to have the women or children raised into this without any ability to make an educated and intelligent choice on their own without force, it's absolutely wrong.

    I think you're right, from the many articles I've read there's a high prevalence of allegations of incest within the sect.
    This is the bottom line- these females, especially the young girls who've just reached puberty have been violated without any choice or even knowledge on their part that it is wrong!!!!!
    I hope all the FLDS men go to prison, and their sect is disbanded!
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