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    SS, I have just cross posted all the links at the new thread that shadow started.

    Welcome ArizonaGG!

    Last but not least one last post here on why I am on this, as Reannan says, 'like a bulldog on a bone' LOL: This is my reasoning to investigate it further.

    The case breaks wide open with the Dicks on kstp. The "nationwide gang" piece is introduced to the world. It is truly a crazy and unbelievable thought.
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    The Chris Jenkins case comes to the fore. His death is now a homicide. It is similar to others around the nation.
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    Chris's mother makes a statement about the depth and breadth of the evil and discusses her conviction that Chris was abducted, driven around in a van, tortured, and murdered in the river. She states the group is widespread.
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    Ian Punnet of afterdark does a follow up interview with Kristi Piehl. They talked off the record about getting a neutral party to interface with the fbi to hear out all of the facts gathered by the dicks. Ian states the fbi man (unnamed) said, "yes" he would
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    Chris's older sister, in interviews, states that she has viewed all of the info the dicks have and is convinced she knows the motive and why her brother was murdered but cannot disclose it.
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    Ian had a strange odometer incident
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    list goes on... Discuss at the cult thread....

    Thanks SuziQ...

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    One last post before I call it a night. Kristi said that 20/20 is working on an entire hour on this case. No air date yet.

    The Jenkins family is upset at a recent article from a local Mpls mag that attacked the Jenkins family. I have not found said article.

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    I have a feeling this case will be broken open by a parole officer finding pictures or video that one of the parolees had or some Geek Squad guy finding pictures or video on a computer somebody brought in to be fixed. If there are truly "pods" I believe they would be taking picture or video of the murders and sharing them with others.

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    Thanks for the new thread, Suzi~

    Nurse, I believe the Congressman is the person called by the talk show host and he has already sent a letter to the head of the FBI addressing this issue.

    Porkchop, I think it is possible they do have video or photos. I don't expect them to be found on computers tho. They are more intelligent, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    Thanks for the new thread, Suzi~

    Nurse, I believe the Congressman is the person called by the talk show host and he has already sent a letter to the head of the FBI addressing this issue.

    Porkchop, I think it is possible they do have video or photos. I don't expect them to be found on computers tho. They are more intelligent, imo.
    Just because they haven't been caught doesn't mean they are intelligent it just means that nobody seriously investigated it. If there are sevaral pods like the dectectives think then they would probably be trading proof of there killings and the easiest way would be via internet.

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    You do have a point there, Porkchop.
    "WE SEEK FOR THE TRUTH. WE SEEK JUSTICE.
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    AND GOD DEMANDS IT!"

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    Yay...I'm in! Cheers to the webmaster!

    Maybe this theory has already been ruled unlikely, but now that I can post a response, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in...

    I went to school at U of WI-Eau Claire in the 90's. Moved away about the time this all got started. Unless it was a minority fraternity/sorority from a much larger school that came in to town to do the deed, it wasn't a sorority/frat at UWEC doing this. I think it has become a bit more diverse in the last few years, but at the time I was there, you could count the number of African-American students attending on one hand. There were more Asian and Asian-American students than anything else, but many were ESL, so I doubt there was a highly organized minority fraternity/sorority operating there. Besides, the Greek system at UWEC barely had a pulse--they could barely get enough members to keep going. I was in one of the sororities, so I know.

    The only 'gang' in Eau Claire that may have had an axe to grind with white males might be the semi-oppressed Laotian population in Eau Claire. But there wasn't normally violence associated with that population, so it's hard to imagine that someone there is the perp.

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    Ok, on to Michael Noll. I read a post not long ago dismissing Noll's drowning in Eau Claire as accidental because he was so drunk that he walked into some old lady's house by accident. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss. His house was right on the Chippewa River, but he was found on Half Moon Lake in Carson Park in Eau Claire. I found this mapped data online, so I don't know if this is exactly where Noll was found on Half Moon, but at the nearest part of the lake, it's a half mile from his house. To the point were the map indicates, it's over a mile.



    A couple hours before he was spotted in the neighborhood of his house, he was at the bars on Water Sreet, which is right where that Josh Snell pin is. If he was as drunk as it sounds, he probably got a ride home (upper green pin) from Water Street (no one living in that neighborhood walks to the bars--too far). And honestly, no one would have a reason to go to Carson Park (lake area) early in the morning. Not even for a walk. Anyone that would go to the park at that time (mostly high school kids go to smoke weed or make out) would go in their cars. It's not an inherently dangerous place, there's just not much to see except a bunch of trees. Frankly, I would find it a spooky place to be walking at night without a few other people around. But that's just me--I'm easily creeped out by dark solitude.

    From the UWEC newspaper:
    http://media.www.spectatornews.com/m...e-400974.shtml

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    Senior Kim Lucas, a friend of Noll, said the discovery was a relief. Lucas said, however, she was surprised that Noll's body was in the lake, because most of the search had focused on the Chippewa River.

    "I am absolutely just shocked," Lucas said. "Half Moon Lake was just out of the question."

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    Authorities have not suspected foul play to this point.

    Preliminary autopsy results released Wednesday list the cause of death as "probable fresh water drowning." Noll's body showed no sign of trauma, according to the report.

    Lucas, however, isn't so sure.

    "I honestly doubted (foul play) up until yesterday," she said. "(Now) I'm definitely questioning it."

    Finding Noll's body there doesn't make sense, she said, because Half Moon Lake is so far from both his house and the Water Street bar area.

    {snip}

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    db~

    Having lived in Wisconsin, Delaware, and the Pacific NW, I can tell you that the culture surrounding alcohol consumption in the upper midwest is not norm around much of the rest of the country. Since leaving Wisconsin, I haven't experienced a party/drinking atmosphere that rivals an autumn Saturday in Madison (for example). Binge drinking is a much bigger problem among college-age people in the upper midwest. Many college students (males mostly) go out with the intention of getting hammered. I don't think they want to be vomiting at the end of the night, but they certainly want to be numb. I haven't seen that anywhere else I've lived.

    As for why it doesn't happen more during spring break, I think it's because there ARE so many people around. I'm sure there's extra lifeguards and cops running around--certainly enough people to pull someone out of the water if they accidentally fell in. And as mentioned earlier, the colder water is harder to swim in. It might be easier for a drunk individual to get out of the water in the warmer spring break spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shorty0927 View Post
    db~

    Having lived in Wisconsin, Delaware, and the Pacific NW, I can tell you that the culture surrounding alcohol consumption in the upper midwest is not norm around much of the rest of the country. Since leaving Wisconsin, I haven't experienced a party/drinking atmosphere that rivals an autumn Saturday in Madison (for example). Binge drinking is a much bigger problem among college-age people in the upper midwest. Many college students (males mostly) go out with the intention of getting hammered. I don't think they want to be vomiting at the end of the night, but they certainly want to be numb. I haven't seen that anywhere else I've lived.

    As for why it doesn't happen more during spring break, I think it's because there ARE so many people around. I'm sure there's extra lifeguards and cops running around--certainly enough people to pull someone out of the water if they accidentally fell in. And as mentioned earlier, the colder water is harder to swim in. It might be easier for a drunk individual to get out of the water in the warmer spring break spots.
    Why do you think this is? Do you think it has anything to do with there being more victims in the midwest?

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    [quote=shorty0927;2188636]db~

    Having lived in Wisconsin, Delaware, and the Pacific NW, I can tell you that the culture surrounding alcohol consumption in the upper midwest is not norm around much of the rest of the country. Since leaving Wisconsin, I haven't experienced a party/drinking atmosphere that rivals an autumn Saturday in Madison (for example). Binge drinking is a much bigger problem among college-age people in the upper midwest. Many college students (males mostly) go out with the intention of getting hammered. I don't think they want to be vomiting at the end of the night, but they certainly want to be numb. I haven't seen that anywhere else I've lived.

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    Thank you for responding to my post and giving your "first person observation" of the differences in culture. That was very helpful.

    I guess I am still concerned about the concentration of deaths because according to post # 179 of the second thread by Shadowraiths -
    Accidental drownings as a direct result of alcohol consumption. At most, explainable for 38-40% of the missing/drowning cases. The remaing 60-62% (per both witness and autopsy accounts) did not involve alcohol or any other drug.


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    So Willie Jacobson's death has been ruled an accidental drowning. But they didn't even get the toxicology report back yet. The ignorance of the people reporting this shit disgusts me. For all they know his BAC was .40 and he had traces of barbituates in his blood- pretty much confirming an accidental drowning. Or maybe he was sober but had cyanide in his blood- pretty much confirming foul play. Nothing can be ruled out until the tox report comes back.

    But I guess people like assuming it was an accident so they can sleep soundly at night.


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    I have two questions that have been annoying me and may already have been asked.

    1) Why don't these supposedly drunken tragedies happen on "Spring Break" when thousands of college students get blistered ON the water?

    2) Why doesn't the concentration of tragedies from the Central U.S. through New England (and not on the West Coast) NOT send up a flag for the FBI?

    Thanks ~ db

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    Quote Originally Posted by dairybest View Post
    I have two questions that have been annoying me and may already have been asked.

    1) Why don't these supposedly drunken tragedies happen on "Spring Break" when thousands of college students get blistered ON the water?

    2) Why doesn't the concentration of tragedies from the Central U.S. through New England (and not on the West Coast) NOT send up a flag for the FBI?

    Thanks ~ db
    I so agree with you about 'WHY doesn't this happen on the West Coast?'
    IF people think the mid West and East Coast are more wild, think again! There are lakes, rivers, and whole ocean, and 'party schools,' especially on the West Coast, this sort of thing rarely happens. I've looked.

    The Santa Barbara area, San Francisco, Long Beach, San Diego, all have huge colleges and this does NOT happen there.

    Something sinister is going on here. That I am CERTAIN of. I haven't figured it out YET, but I'm still looking.

    The first years these were concentrated more around the Great Lakes and this year they're in Southern States and Eastern States. Me thinks they're trying to trick LE.

    JMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by fran View Post
    I so agree with you about 'WHY doesn't this happen on the West Coast?'
    IF people think the mid West and East Coast are more wild, think again! There are lakes, rivers, and whole ocean, and 'party schools,' especially on the West Coast, this sort of thing rarely happens. I've looked.

    The Santa Barbara area, San Francisco, Long Beach, San Diego, all have huge colleges and this does NOT happen there.

    Something sinister is going on here. That I am CERTAIN of. I haven't figured it out YET, but I'm still looking.

    The first years these were concentrated more around the Great Lakes and this year they're in Southern States and Eastern States. Me thinks they're trying to trick LE.

    JMHO
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    I agree, fran.

    Is it a location thing or a drinking thing? I guess I never thought of California as being full of tee-totallers, myself! (Is that how you spell tee-totallers? Scratching my head...)

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    As unlikely as it sounds, the Trane theory (or something similar) might very well provide a connection. It would at least explain why other heavy-drinking party schools (such as Univ of Colo or Berkeley) aren't included, or why other schools in the midwest (such as KSU) don't appear to be involved.

    I think the locations of the incidents have to be a major factor.
    What other common denominators do the locations have?

    On a separate note, regarding ckhagen's desire to see the toxicology report, is that something that can be obtained through the FOIA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by emmcee View Post
    I think the locations of the incidents have to be a major factor.
    What other common denominators do the locations have?
    Construction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by emmcee View Post
    I think the locations of the incidents have to be a major factor.
    What other common denominators do the locations have?
    I was on here earlier today and I responded to your post with one word (I was in a hurry!). The word was “construction” and it has bothered me ever since.

    In one of my previous lives I worked for a cabling contractor and we did jobs all over the place and in all types of businesses. This included colleges, hospitals, realtors’ offices, etc.

    One of the most remarkable things about that occupation is that people don’t tend to notice you because you are just the common “Joe” doing a common job. That’s one point.

    Another point is that I have worked on some big jobs (like at colleges) for a GC (General Contractor) who has pulled in other specialists and Job Shoppers from God doesn’t even know where. (Job Shoppers, if you aren’t familiar with them, are specialized tradesmen who go where the money is. Their area of specialty might be sheetrocking or HVAC or whatever.) These Job Shoppers can blow in from two states away and be there for a week and the next morning they’re running pipe three states away. It is not uncommon for them (sometimes its one person, sometimes its a group) to arrive in a van or panel truck.

    Given the forum that I am posting on, How Disturbing Is This? I mean, just the thought…. So please. Someone. Blow this scenerio full of holes.

    I mean, I'm on-board with the "monks" for a localized possibility. But, I can't think of any other possibilities for travelers. Who else gets around yet would blend into any locality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by emmcee View Post
    As unlikely as it sounds, the Trane theory (or something similar) might very well provide a connection. It would at least explain why other heavy-drinking party schools (such as Univ of Colo or Berkeley) aren't included, or why other schools in the midwest (such as KSU) don't appear to be involved.

    I think the locations of the incidents have to be a major factor.
    What other common denominators do the locations have?

    On a separate note, regarding ckhagen's desire to see the toxicology report, is that something that can be obtained through the FOIA?

    The only other thing i could think of as a common denominator is that they may be spelling Smiley face man with the first letters of the cities they commit a crime.This would explain a high concentration of killings around the same cities near trane factories.maybe we should look for a drowning death in a city with a Y

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    Quote Originally Posted by fran View Post
    The Santa Barbara area, San Francisco, Long Beach, San Diego, all have huge colleges and this does NOT happen there.

    Something sinister is going on here. That I am CERTAIN of. I haven't figured it out YET, but I'm still looking.

    The first years these were concentrated more around the Great Lakes and this year they're in Southern States and Eastern States. Me thinks they're trying to trick LE.

    JMHO
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    Omg, I had forgotten about SB! My sis lived there and I was always there. Places like that we'd drink to access because we'd walk everywhere. Same with SD.

    ETA: I'm fondly recalling the days of $5 dollar pitchers of very strong margaritas and endless bowls of chips and salsa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dairybest View Post
    I have two questions that have been annoying me and may already have been asked.

    1) Why don't these supposedly drunken tragedies happen on "Spring Break" when thousands of college students get blistered ON the water?

    2) Why doesn't the concentration of tragedies from the Central U.S. through New England (and not on the West Coast) NOT send up a flag for the FBI?

    Thanks ~ db
    Good questions.

    I have another question. Please forgive me if this has been answered here somewhere. Is there evidence that any of these men were sexually assaulted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoMom View Post
    Good questions.

    I have another question. Please forgive me if this has been answered here somewhere. Is there evidence that any of these men were sexually assaulted?
    Not so far in the cases that are "known" to LE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blink34 View Post
    Not so far in the cases that are "known" to LE.
    Thanks. I've been wanting to ask that. I wouldn't be surprised if they were filmed, though.

    Another question, blink. Thanks for bearing with me. Have you seen any interviews with FBI profilers regarding these deaths?

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    I think the degree of binge drinking in the upper midwest makes it seem more likely that they could be accidental drownings (maybe in the FBI's eyes, anyway). And for the local LE, binge drinking is pretty typical behavior for college students.

    I think that it might be appealing for the perp(s) to go after college-aged guys in the upper midwest, because chances are pretty good that they're plastered and have their guard down. Out east, they might not have such an easy time finding victims, because I don't think there'd be quite as many people to choose from.

    Oh, and generally among Eau Claire students, the weekend begins on Thursday night and goes all weekend (same window as the drownings). There's no "date night" over the weekend where it's mostly just couples out on the town. It's like singles night every night. I think it's that way elsewhere on Wisconsin campuses, too (including LaCrosse).

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    Quote Originally Posted by shorty0927 View Post
    I think the degree of binge drinking in the upper midwest makes it seem more likely that they could be accidental drownings (maybe in the FBI's eyes, anyway). And for the local LE, binge drinking is pretty typical behavior for college students.

    I think that it might be appealing for the perp(s) to go after college-aged guys in the upper midwest, because chances are pretty good that they're plastered and have their guard down. Out east, they might not have such an easy time finding victims, because I don't think there'd be quite as many people to choose from.

    Oh, and generally among Eau Claire students, the weekend begins on Thursday night and goes all weekend (same window as the drownings). There's no "date night" over the weekend where it's mostly just couples out on the town. It's like singles night every night. I think it's that way elsewhere on Wisconsin campuses, too (including LaCrosse).
    Again, great feedback. I don't have anything to add. I just wanted to acknowledge your response. ~db

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