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  1. #166
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    I disagree with your theory.. These men are being targeted and possibly drugged. So many men have died.
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  2. #167
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    The men are being stalked and possibly drugged...then taken. I want to see these cases solved. It is frustrating that others cannot see what is happening. The men are not being mugged. Their personal belongings are usually found. How do we solve and stop the deaths? i do not mean to sound crabby.
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  3. #168
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    I think the "smileyface killers" was created at SJU.

  4. #169
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    Honestly, I think we had better use Occam's razor on this one and call it for what it is: suicide. In the midwest, there aren't a lot of easy ways out. Most homes in Minnesota only have hunting rifles or BB guns, if any at all, and the midwest is flat with soft soil rather than rocky with jagged cliffs. That leaves train, suicide by cop, bridge, or overdose. In many of these cases, it appears to be bridge + overdose. Suicide by cop is far too dramatic for the modest, homogenous societies in the midwest, and train suicide happens often enough--at least it did in Fargo. However, train = bodily mutilation and potential pain (as some end up surviving, thankfully), whereas alcohol + drowning is relatively clean and seems less painful.

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    I would agree with Ashiva on the fact that it can be suicide. But in some of the reported victims, there are forensic proofs that the body had stayed for some time before being dumped in the water later on. Also, the positioning of the victims is off. Of course I know sometimes disturbance in the water could make the body roll around and end up facing upwards, but drowned victims are usually found head down. The decomposition process could also, maybe turn the body around, but I am not sure.

    Also, take everything else out of the equation, why go jump off a bridge in freezing temperatures? I live in Canada and honestly, I would not think about jumping off a bridge when it's -30°C outside. Also, there is no absolute certitude you will die when jumping off a bridge like that. Those young men were University students, come on with a almost unlimited amount of medical information available NONE OF THEM would of thought of a more certain way and painless way to end their days?

    Oh and even if you don't have access to gun (like us canadians by example), there are still many ways to commit suicide: slashing your wrists/throat, hanging, carbon monoxyde poisoning, jumping off the top of a building, jumping in front of a moving vehicule, go crash your car into a wall or a tree, fire, prescription drugs, exposure to the elements (especially in the winter months), and more...

  6. #171
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    Now while I agree that the grand majority of these are probably accidents I'll write a few theoretical situations that homicide might be possible- at least from the perspective of a Wisconsin native.

    Giving the party atmosphere drugs are definitely possible, guys are more likely to leave their drinks unguarded and are more likely to accept drinks from strangers due to most people associating date-rape drugs or similar drugs that cause for a lapse in memory, judgement or otherwise inability to control themselves (for the time I'll refer to these as knockout-drugs for a more generalized definition.) In addition cases in which a potential victim was drugged but not drowned would likely go unreported due to shame caused by being drugged or kids not yet old enough to drink being drugged thus making them more unwillful to report their own wrongdoing. In the scenario in which drugs are used there needs to be more than one perpetrator with the exception being if the victims were followed until they reached water and then in their weakened, drugged state, were directed to an area in which drowning would be possible. If we are going by the previously mentioned possibility of a van I'd guess anywhere from two to four people would be involved in the drugged abduction theories that have come up.
    All in all not impossible but unlikely- it would also be easy to determine if a drug is at play by testing the hair of a victim. (which I believe can be done well after the individuals death)

    The next possibility is forcing a victim into the water without the use of drugs. In order for this to work the perpetrator would need to not only know the area but also have enough strength to possibly lunge a victim into the water or to hold someone under for a great amount of time with minimal noise. This is another situation where I can only see it working with two people or more, one needing to commit the act and the other either assisting or assuring that there would be no one around. In a college city, on a night where there are drunkards wondering the street, it would be impossible to commit the amount of crimes believed without being caught without such help. The drowning area would also need to be scouted in advance due to even a minor slip up taking up more time. These would need to be fast and quiet killings if drowning in a public setting.

    Finally, the one I believe in the most and also the one I find the most terrifying; the victim was run into the water by several perpetrators. The scenario would be easy and can be done in addition to the possible knock-out drug use I mentioned before. The victim wanders off alone or is in the accompaniment of someone they believe they can trust, an argument ensues or- if we are going under the assumption that this is the work of a serial killer or group- the perpetrators start make violent gestures unprovoked, causing the victim to feel the need to retreat or run. In a sense it works the same way you'd heard cow into a pasture except with the necessity of water. It may not even be an initially malicious group- see frats that push members into accidental suicide or murder as part of peer pressure, all you need is one person to start yelling and others to follow. In this scenario it could easily be a fellow college student who is the main perpetrator given their word would be more easy to spread among fellow youth. While I don't believe this could result in serial attacks within a short span it could work over the course of several years and easily rack up a body count. It would also be unlikely for people to come forward admitting to being apart of the crowd- drunken students may not even remember it as a harmful event or connect the subsequent drowning with their actions.

    As for the suicide possibility- checking for drugs may confirm this as, for at least the few cases I know in my area (one literally a block from my house causing a week long road closure) many take drugs prior to self drowning in order to accept their fates easier.

  7. #172
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    Survival is an instinct and I'd think not swimming or attempting to not drown, at the very least, would require effort.


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