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    Question

    How reliable are Cadaver dogs?

    Just wondering

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hucklepie View Post
    . . .did LE ever officially speculate (at any point) that Tara was missing voluntarily? . . .
    A quick websearch netted these results among others:

    ". . .Nothing in those interviews, authorities have said, provided them with any information to suggest that Tara Grinstead had been the victim of foul play. . .
    http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/c...instead/5.html

    ". . .Even though Tara's no where in sight, right now, police are not suspecting foul play. "We haven't found anything at this point to leave us to believe anything," says Ocilla Police Department Chief, Billy Hancock.
    Police say after investigating the house, they found no signs of forced entry. . ."
    http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4028907&nav=5kZQ

    ". . .Police characterize their investigation as a missing-person case. Investigators are not ruling out the possibility of foul play, but without more evidence, they say it is also quite possible that Grinstead may have just walked away from all the drama in her personal life. . . ."
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/30/...ing/index.html

    ". . .Authorities have never said they suspect the 30-year-old woman was a victim of foul play. A cell phone that she was known to always carry was found in her house, her unlocked car was in the driveway, but her purse and keys were gone.
    A latex glove _ the type worn by police officers and medical workers _ was found in her front yard.
    "There's a lot of speculation," Police Chief Billy Hancock said. "We certainly are still considering it a missing persons case and the possibility of abduction is not being ruled out. We don't have any evidence of that." . . ."
    http://www.news4jax.com/news/6738725/detail.html

    ". . ."We don't have any evidence that suggests foul play," said Irwin County Sheriff Donnie Youghn. . ."
    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/5257735/detail.html

    Wrap up:
    I do not believe that L.E. stated that they had come to a definitive conclusion about Tara Grinstead but they did state they had no real evidence of foul play and yet were not ruling out either runaway or foul play without more evidence and that until more evidence was forthcoming they were treating it as a missing person case (as opposed to a crime case.) It may be that people read between the lines of those quotes to believe that L.E. suspected a runaway situation.

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    Rothwell's initial impression? "It appeared that Tara may have left on her own. However, we had a glove, a latex glove that we couldn't explain. That glove indicates foul play to us."

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...in;contentBody

    While the possibility a missing person simply left without telling anyone always exists, the GBI said in each of the cases they investigate it appears a crime occurred. Last year, the GBI went through all missing person cases in its files and trimmed the list by about 100 women who had returned on their own, Bankhead said.

    http://www.ajc.com/news/blairsville-...ht-123959.html

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    Haven't posted in quite some time...

    I really don't believe Tara voluntarily disappeared. However, let us not forget that seasoned LE have been wrong. Great examples are Jamie Dugard and Elizabeth Smart, wherein LE suspected the wrong persons.

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    iM SORRY I WOULD GIVE THIS TOPIC ON TARA A -1 OUT OF 100% CHANCE THAT THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN..I HAVE ALLWAYS THOUGHT THIS IS MH AND MAYBE A ACOMPLISS AND THAT STUFF IN THAT POLICE STATION HE WORKED FOR AND HIS FREINDS HAVE MAYBE NOT GOT RID OF EVIDENCE BUT LET SOME EVIDENCE GET LOST OR TIPS NOT GETTING REPORTED TO THE LEAD INVESTIGATOR JUST STEER ANY DAMAGING INFO IN ANOTHER DIRECTION..
    Everything I Write Is JMHO ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by docwho3 View Post
    No one knows if any helper even knew her well at all and we do not know if that person is even still in this country or not.
    I feel like, if someone cared enough about Tara to help her leave in such a mysterious way (perhaps Tara felt in danger and needed to leave), they would also have cared enough to have let Tara's mama know before she died. It would be a hard-hearted person to let a mama die without knowing her girl was alright, especially if the accomplice cared about Tara enough to help her leave.

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    keeping on

    Quote Originally Posted by wadahoot View Post
    I feel like, if someone cared enough about Tara to help her leave in such a mysterious way (perhaps Tara felt in danger and needed to leave), they would also have cared enough to have let Tara's mama know before she died. It would be a hard-hearted person to let a mama die without knowing her girl was alright, especially if the accomplice cared about Tara enough to help her leave.
    Unfortunately it would not be the first time such a thing has happened.

    Whatever you believe, at least the fact that you posted is keeping the topic alive and perhaps that in itself may be helping the case move towards a solution. Thanks

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    Hey Doc,

    I was wondering if your thoughts have changed about Tara's disappearance? There have been several TV shows featuring her case. I think you once felt that she could be a run-a-way, have your thoughts changed over time?

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    I just wish something would happen on her behalf so that she and her family may have some sort of justice.......its been too long!!!

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    voluntarily ? .... Not a chance .
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    Quote Originally Posted by RememberTara View Post
    I was wondering if your thoughts have changed
    about Tara's disappearance? There have been several TV shows featuring her case.
    I think you once felt that she could be a run-a-way, have your thoughts changed over time?
    Sorry for the long delay in answering.
    I have not yet seen evidence to cause me to change my thoughts on the case.

    Still, I keep an open mind to new evidence to show up.

    Over the long course of this case I have, at times, had posters from this
    forum contact me by forum private message
    saying that they had been told or hinted to by LE that evidence existed which pointed to a crime.

    In part, my reaction to unverified people using private messaging this way has always been of this sort:
    Thank you for your info but until I see such evidence released to the public or stated by LE in public
    I must continue to work only with those things which can be verified (in keeping with
    Websleuths rules.)

    I am aware that sometimes people get so wrapped up in posting about a case that
    they begin to see it as a sort of contest & may sometimes resort to private hints to
    cause some posters of the opposition viewpoint to go silent or even retract
    their theory.

    I am also aware that sometimes such hints are legitimate & are meant to help.

    Since I have no way of knowing for sure which is which sort of private message
    in any given case I wait for verified evidence before changing a theory.
    In some cases I report the message to the moderators for their consideration.

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    I have not been as indepth about this case recently as I once was so it is
    possible that new evidence has been released by LE in MSM that I do not know about.

    Still so far as I know we still have a missing person with a latex type glove
    left behind (unknown for sure if it was left behind by responders or by whoever left Tara's home
    (whether that be Tara and/or a helper or Tara & villain/s.)

    Allegedly a private forensics expert was brought in who allegedly found a
    drop of blood or other substance somewhere on the outside part . . .
    umm the porch part somewhere or maybe step. (Sorry- its been a very
    long while since I read that part.)

    Her car was left behind unlocked and with some cash in an envelope
    inside the vehicle.

    I saw a video news report or a internet news report with picture where LE said
    they looked inside Tara's home & saw no signs of a struggle.

    While some point to a minor bit of damage or two found in the home to
    dispute LE's initial statement I have not yet seen anything conclusive to
    prove LE was wrong in that initial statement that there was no sign of struggle.
    (However, no sign of struggle does not mean someone was not forced at gunpoint to leave.)

    There have been very few public indicators to tip the balance of theory to crime or runaway.
    Saying there have been few indicators does not mean there have been
    none just that there has not been many.

    That vast majority of missing persons are not crime victims (That has been
    verified previously. See past posts for proof if they have not been lost in
    the websleuths move.) Many choose to disappear for various reasons.

    Still, even knowing that, it is always tempting to assume a crime has taken place
    especially when you have a vehicle left behind and even a small drop of blood.

    Case in point: A mailman goes missing. His mail truck is found.
    He is not in it. Later tests revealed a small drop of blood had dried on the
    vehicle. It then came out that the missing person had said to his wife
    that he thought someone had been following him around on his route
    recently. We know there have been cases where mail persons are robbed
    when delivering mail. Sounds like a crime has happened?
    It turns out he just ran away & perhaps was floating down a nearby river in a canoe.
    He was found alive and well.
    http://www.theindychannel.com/news/13667482/detail.html
    http://www.theindychannel.com/news/13677159/detail.html
    http://www.theindychannel.com/news/13693565/detail.html


    In Tara's case we have a very talented woman who knows very much
    about how to change her appearance. She has the education to change her
    walk & speech and looks greatly. She probably has the education to
    easily create a new life anywhere.

    There are things I look for in adult cases to help sort out runaways from
    crime victims. I am not an expert but I have read many many websleuths cases
    & have taken an interest in the adult runaway cases because I think they
    are such tragic stories & I wish there was a way to help heal the causes of such cases.

    Tara's case does indeed exhibit some of the signs I look for to indicate an adult runaway
    but that in itself is not conclusive.
    The problem is that so far we have no conclusive public evidence to go on.
    In the lack of evidence to prove a crime I lean towards adult runaway just
    to go along with the proven odds. . . . . and even more so when some of
    the signs I watch for are present in a case.

    I do not think it wise or want people to stop looking for evidence of a possible
    crime to have taken place. That would be wrong to do. No one wants
    a criminal to possibly get away to harm others.

    I just refuse to jump to the conclusion that a crime has been commited
    without evidence since the past has proven most adult missing persons are not
    the victim of a crime.

    To ignore the possibility of a crime is to risk a criminal going free to harm
    others but also to ignore and not think about the possibility of an adult
    runaway risks missing the chance for a healing and closure to take place
    for that living person and those that loved and missed that person.

    That is why it is so important that in this forum both possibilities are considered by all of us.

    Do I see some possibilites for a crime in this case? Sure, but so far no
    evidence whatsoever to back it up. As with the missing mailman,
    there are possibilities of a crime & some of those make sense but
    with no evidence to go on, the past cases say she likely eased into a new
    life somewhere.
    Last edited by docwho3; 05-22-2011 at 07:29 AM.

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    The main thing I think she had going for her in the theory for voluntary disappearance was that she certainly had enough male friends in LE and at least one in the GBI who could have helped her make arrangements to get out of GA in a hurry. Yes, it hurt her family and friends, but if she wanted to leave or needed to leave without a trace, I think she definitely had the connections to have done so alive and well.

    I do think it takes a very intelligent person ( and I agree with Doc above that Tara was intelligent and also would be skilled in changing her appearance) and/ or a person with close ties to LE to disappear successfully ( unless they are criminals and have mafia connections, and I don't think most of us, including Tara, ever encounter those people).Edited to add-- Or a person without much of a life to leave behind. Like a person without a career,or friends, or parents, or children. Someone who might not be reported missing by anyone for a long time.Fringe type people are almost " gone' from their lives already, you know?

    I couldn't do it. Most ordinary people can't in this day and age, barring a natural disaster of monumental proportions which allows a person a measure of time and undocumented movement.
    Last edited by SeekingJana; 07-06-2012 at 02:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeekingJana View Post
    The main thing I think she had going for her in the theory for voluntary disappearance was that she certainly had enough male friends in LE and at least one in the GBI who could have helped her make arrangements to get out of GA in a hurry. Yes, it hurt her family and friends, but if she wanted to leave or needed to leave without a trace, I think she definitely had the connections to have done so alive and well.

    I do think it takes a very intelligent person ( and I agree with Doc above that Tara was intelligent and also would be skilled in changing her appearance) and/ or a person with close ties to LE to disappear successfully ( unless they are criminals and have mafia connections, and I don't think most of us, including Tara, ever encounter those people).Edited to add-- Or a person without much of a life to leave behind. Like a person without a career,or friends, or parents, or children. Someone who might not be reported missing by anyone for a long time.Fringe type people are almost " gone' from their lives already, you know?

    I couldn't do it. Most ordinary people can't in this day and age, barring a natural disaster of monumental proportions which allows a person a measure of time and undocumented movement.
    Funny that you say that, because when I lived in Hendersonville, NC and I saw the show with Tara, and Jennifer K I was almost certain that this girl who came into my place of employment resembled Tara greatly. It doesn't mean its her, but I cant seem to remember her name now, only that in 2008 she was on the board of directors for the Henderson County Apple Festival, it might be worth checking into, I just looked and she is not on the board now, and I have never been able to find any pictures of her in the county which I thought was interesting since she was part of such an important thing.

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    I remembered the name, and it is Tara. I found a photo from facebook and a photo online and did a layover on facebook. I am unsure if I am allowed to post the 2 pictures for your input. Please advise...
    Last edited by tricket; 07-09-2012 at 03:38 PM.

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    If you can help Tara's friends, family and others who care about her, post what you have.. If there's a problem with it, the moderators will fix it.

    However, and I am saying this so as not to get your hopes up and have your feelings be hurt later, there really is no way to determine if someone who doesn't identify herself as Tara Grinstead is Tara without DNA testing or fingerprinting at the least.

    I've had my own " doppelganger" so to speak.... I never would have believed that 2 people could be mistaken for each other so often until it happened to me. Just saying. I hope Tara is alive and well somewhere. There is no reason to think she's in any type of WIT SEC program ( Witness protection program), so I think your person's photo is acceptable to post. Not sure that any name other than Tara's is, though.

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