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View Poll Results: Why did Madeleine 'go missing'?

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  • She was abducted

    187 36.74%
  • She wandered off and disappeared

    14 2.75%
  • She was overdosed on sedatives; parents covered it up

    168 33.01%
  • She met with an accident; parents covered it up

    65 12.77%
  • One of her parents was violent to her and killed her

    63 12.38%
  • Any other reason Madeleine went missing

    12 2.36%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texana View Post
    I truly don't think that Madeleine will be found, and yes, I think there was some moving around after the death. The pet crematorium is horribly convenient and close, but you would think that someone there would open up the bags, so I don't think that's a real possibility.
    The guy said that he didn't open the bags Texana so who knows what was in them!

    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    I thought the guy said he didn't open the bags? If IRC, LE said they checked out the crematoriam.

    Also, remember when four or five of us felt like they were close to finding Maddie a few months back? I wonder where they were searching then? Maybe it was at that barn place?...... So many possibilities.

    As for the lawyer, Barnaby - I was hoping he was lying about the underworld tip and that it was really a tip from one or more of the Tapas 7. I didn't think he would spend all that money if he wasn't pretty sure he was going to find something, even if he was banking on collecting the reward. Obviously, wishful thinking on my part.

    Tex (can I call you that?) I think you are right. I don't she will be found, given Gerry's challenge to the LE to find her and prove they did it. So sad.

    Salem
    Yes you are right Salem , he did say that he didn't open the bags but surely if forensics examined the site there would be some evidence of human remains? Maybe not especially if Portugese do not have adequate investigatory resources.

    I really never considered the possibility that the tip off might be from the Tapas crew! The lawyer was pretty convinced that something would be found when he spent all that money, I admit!

    Agreed, wherever they dumped her I think it was pretty fool proof in view of that ultimatum that Gerry issued! Seems like they have committed the perfect crime! I hope they can live with themselves, so far they seem to be doing A-OK! I so hope the old saying is true in this case "Murder will out"

  2. #32
    Cant stand it; when KM held out her hands during that recent intv to "shake" madeleine, that was it for me; her hands freaked me out. I was outta there. I had chills down my spine, I have no doubt that Madel met her end with the blow to her head or face. From that hand. This is what I believe, but I also have to state that giving your kids sedatives and then overdosing them, would be invol manslaughter/homicide not "an accident".

    KM was there when Madel "went" just another abnormal phrase that KM used when describing how she died. She just "went". That day. When Madeleine Went. I think that was how she said it. So very disturbing. Hurtful, to think maybe that was the last thing that happened to a beautiful little child that should have had it all. something was wrong in that home. Something was wrong with Madel too; many of us have seen that in her photos. Her face, the weight loss and weight gain. Her little medical records would be key to this investigation. i have to have hope that the UK has them, and is sharing all they can in this case about who this couple really is. good Poll, looks like most agree she died by KMs hand. Since we all know that GM was playing his third game of tennis and KM had to be "checked" on.....whatever that was about. I'd say mental state. I'll go with that based on the diary writings. Glad that MJ and I copied them when we had them. Those pages of notes. But, they need FBI enhancement to read, they are too blurry. But what was reported to BE on those pages? good enough for me. Always has been always will be.

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    Yeah, the pet crematorium guy said he didn't open the bags, but if you are doing a body dump, you're betting the guy won't, which is not a safe bet.

    It's possible, of course, but honestly, if the two guys with the bag story is true, chances are they've been shown photos of the Tapas diners, and they didn't identify them--again, if the story is true.

    There are far too many rural spots and of course, the ocean, to make anything else far too risky and unnecessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chronictonic View Post
    Cant stand it; when KM held out her hands during that recent intv to "shake" madeleine, that was it for me; her hands freaked me out. I was outta there. I had chills down my spine, I have no doubt that Madel met her end with the blow to her head or face. From that hand. This is what I believe, but I also have to state that giving your kids sedatives and then overdosing them, would be invol manslaughter/homicide not "an accident".

    KM was there when Madel "went" just another abnormal phrase that KM used when describing how she died. She just "went". That day. When Madeleine Went. I think that was how she said it. So very disturbing. Hurtful, to think maybe that was the last thing that happened to a beautiful little child that should have had it all. something was wrong in that home. Something was wrong with Madel too; many of us have seen that in her photos. Her face, the weight loss and weight gain. Her little medical records would be key to this investigation. i have to have hope that the UK has them, and is sharing all they can in this case about who this couple really is. good Poll, looks like most agree she died by KMs hand. Since we all know that GM was playing his third game of tennis and KM had to be "checked" on.....whatever that was about. I'd say mental state. I'll go with that based on the diary writings. Glad that MJ and I copied them when we had them. Those pages of notes. But, they need FBI enhancement to read, they are too blurry. But what was reported to BE on those pages? good enough for me. Always has been always will be.
    We are definitely on the same page chronictonic, nice to see you posting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnaby View Post
    What do you think happened to the body Colomon? What do you think about the DNA in the car? Just interested to know what your theory is, you obviously think it was placed somewhere & left there if you don't believe it was moved!
    I am not sure about this either, the Pet Crematorium always stands out to me for some reason!
    So do you think she was killed on the 2nd & body gone at that point?
    My theory is #1 on the theories thread (see: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...98&postcount=1) and I think that the DNA in the car was from transference (i know, I know, I just really think that). I think GM realized that he left something with the body that could be connected back to him if she was ever found. Maybe she was wearing the clothes from the pool picture instead of the PJs or maybe she was wrapped in that Aztec blanket he purchased just before their trip and there was DNA on that blanket, the wrong kind of DNA. It is possible that there was a second visit to the body and clothing/something removed and then hidden in the boot.

    Cristavo (the author of The Star of Madeleine) agrees with me. She was never moved. She is still there today.

    I am a HUGE believer in Occams Razor (google it).

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    good points, Colomom.

    Do we have any youtube references for the video clip where Kate shakes her hands?

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    I have refused to look at this story on WS because I was sure everyone thought she was really abducted and I would be flamed (as usual) for thinking the parents killed her!!
    I am surprised and glad that some of you see right through these evil parents!
    They should be arrested for child endangerment and neglect first then questioned about the death of this baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixies View Post
    I have refused to look at this story on WS because I was sure everyone thought she was really abducted and I would be flamed (as usual) for thinking the parents killed her!!
    I am surprised and glad that some of you see right through these evil parents!
    They should be arrested for child endangerment and neglect first then questioned about the death of this baby.
    The line I highlighted above is so right-on that it really is a slap in the face, a wake-up call, if you will, for how this case should have been handled from the very beginning. While I have been a big supporter of the PJ from day 1, I think they really dropped the ball on this point. I can only guess that it must have been phone calls from powerful people that prevented them for doing just that, first thing.

    Makes me think that there are going to be more than just Kate and Gerry who will ultimately have to answer for this cover-up.

    ~All entirely IMHO, of course~

    Thanks for posting Pixies!! Glad you stopped by

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    Quote Originally Posted by chronictonic View Post
    Cant stand it; when KM held out her hands during that recent intv to "shake" madeleine, that was it for me; her hands freaked me out. I was outta there. I had chills down my spine, I have no doubt that Madel met her end with the blow to her head or face. From that hand. This is what I believe, but I also have to state that giving your kids sedatives and then overdosing them, would be invol manslaughter/homicide not "an accident".

    KM was there when Madel "went" just another abnormal phrase that KM used when describing how she died. She just "went". That day. When Madeleine Went. I think that was how she said it. So very disturbing. Hurtful, to think maybe that was the last thing that happened to a beautiful little child that should have had it all. something was wrong in that home. Something was wrong with Madel too; many of us have seen that in her photos. Her face, the weight loss and weight gain. Her little medical records would be key to this investigation. i have to have hope that the UK has them, and is sharing all they can in this case about who this couple really is. good Poll, looks like most agree she died by KMs hand. Since we all know that GM was playing his third game of tennis and KM had to be "checked" on.....whatever that was about. I'd say mental state. I'll go with that based on the diary writings. Glad that MJ and I copied them when we had them. Those pages of notes. But, they need FBI enhancement to read, they are too blurry. But what was reported to BE on those pages? good enough for me. Always has been always will be.
    Absolutely agree Chronictonic & nice to meet you! That "shaking" was diabolical! I have a feeling that poor little baby got many a shake!

    Madeleine was also too small for her age, something that they never ever publicised & what would have been a vital piece of information in searching for her!

    Quote Originally Posted by Texana View Post
    Yeah, the pet crematorium guy said he didn't open the bags, but if you are doing a body dump, you're betting the guy won't, which is not a safe bet.

    It's possible, of course, but honestly, if the two guys with the bag story is true, chances are they've been shown photos of the Tapas diners, and they didn't identify them--again, if the story is true.

    There are far too many rural spots and of course, the ocean, to make anything else far too risky and unnecessary.
    Well my theory of actually hiding body pieces inside the dogs, gross though it is, may be a possibility. These two wouldn't have any problems cutting up dogs! It is probably a very far fetched theory but the one way in which they wouldn't be worried about the guy opening the bags & how they are so confident the body will never be found!
    Wherever they disposed of her they are pretty sure that it is safe. How could you be sure of that if they simply buried her, no there is something more to this I think!

    I also thought that he could have identified the McCanns but they may have been disguised in some way & remember he is a criminal also, maybe honour among thieves!

    Quote Originally Posted by colomom View Post
    My theory is #1 on the theories thread (see: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...98&postcount=1) and I think that the DNA in the car was from transference (i know, I know, I just really think that). I think GM realized that he left something with the body that could be connected back to him if she was ever found. Maybe she was wearing the clothes from the pool picture instead of the PJs or maybe she was wrapped in that Aztec blanket he purchased just before their trip and there was DNA on that blanket, the wrong kind of DNA. It is possible that there was a second visit to the body and clothing/something removed and then hidden in the boot.

    Cristavo (the author of The Star of Madeleine) agrees with me. She was never moved. She is still there today.

    I am a HUGE believer in Occams Razor (google it).
    You are probably right Colomom, the most obvious probably true! Thanks for posting this I forgot I had read your theory before.

    If the body was revisited then it rules out the dumping at sea & the Pet Crem so hopefully somewhere along the line the remains will be found but as I said above they seem pretty confident that it won't!

    Quote Originally Posted by pixies View Post
    I have refused to look at this story on WS because I was sure everyone thought she was really abducted and I would be flamed (as usual) for thinking the parents killed her!!
    I am surprised and glad that some of you see right through these evil parents!
    They should be arrested for child endangerment and neglect first then questioned about the death of this baby.
    Nice to meet you pixies, you are definitely in the company of like minded people in the main here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texana View Post
    good points, Colomom.

    Do we have any youtube references for the video clip where Kate shakes her hands?
    Morning Tex,

    It is in the ITV documentary and I see it here: http://www.itv.com/News/newsspecial/...l/default.html

    I cannot confirm that it works cuz I am on a Mac and haven't tried it on my Windows machine yet. I expect it will be posted on YouTube but I don't see it yet. I will watch for it. The ITV doc is 2 hours long. Hate to make you sit through all of that.

    As I understand it, it shows Kate grabbing air, as if to grab Maddie's shoulders, and then a shaking movement, as if she was shaking Maddie. I don't know if I really want to see it.


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    Morning Colomom. What is the context of Kate's shaking Maddie motion? What is she talking about at the time. Just hearing about it creeps me out.

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    I can't get the video to work on any of the links. I'm hoping for a future "youtube"

    Salem

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    Quote Originally Posted by teacherbees View Post
    Morning Colomom. What is the context of Kate's shaking Maddie motion? What is she talking about at the time. Just hearing about it creeps me out.
    Morning TB!!

    I believe that it was regarding the morning after the crying at night incident. She was saying that she should have just shaken her, something like that. It is mentioned here (on 3A's) http://www.the3arguidos.net/viewtopi...321635#p321635 in Brit Abroad's post (3rd one down).

    Really weird that I can't find anything else....

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    Quote Originally Posted by colomom View Post
    Morning TB!!

    I believe that it was regarding the morning after the crying at night incident. She was saying that she should have just shaken her, something like that. It is mentioned here (on 3A's) http://www.the3arguidos.net/viewtopi...321635#p321635 in Brit Abroad's post (3rd one down).

    Really weird that I can't find anything else....
    I wondered if this is the clip of video you mentioned with the shaking, ( ya know) ...take a look.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Is6yRUA4qYo&feature=related

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prickle View Post
    I wondered if this is the clip of video you mentioned with the shaking, ( ya know) ...take a look.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Is6yRUA4qYo&feature=related
    That's it! Thanks, Prickle! Finally also I get to see how "rough" she looked that day, too. I didn't even realize it until the end of the video when I noticed her jacket.

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