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    Deaths of Male College Students-General Discussion #4


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    This topic on Anderson Cooper tonight (Wednesday)

    AC360 tonight at 10EDT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuziQ View Post
    Sheerluck, thanks for the links.

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    What I don't get about the Jailhouse informant is, if his/her info is so good that it changed the COD on Chris' autopsy report, then why doesn't it lead to someone?
    Excellent question. The only thing i can think is that the FBI's ego is bruised because the detectives appear to be much smarter than the FBI. The FBI missed the connections 5 years ago and now they're embarrassed. Also the detectives idea of setting up a nationwide investigation service probably bothers the FBI because that's supposed to be the FBI's job. Sometimes men are more prone to ego related issues than women.......

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    Thanks Morag. I haven't posted but I've been keeping up on all the threads.

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    Originally posted by SS in thread #3

    "The type of person that would be the opposite, not smart, someone not good in school, maybe doesn't have a job, not popular," said Duarte.
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/21/...ler/index.html

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    Here is the link to the CNN video:

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/21/...ew#cnnSTCVideo

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    To continue the discussion about the smarts the killer(s) have. Not sure how smart the killers are, I think it might be more that LE was clueless enabling the killers to get away with this for so long.

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    I still think the jailhouse informant is either John Lilly or Jaramy Alford or maybe even Jaramy's brother. I'm leaning towards Lilly because he was a member of the drowning fetish website. He's a perfect example of how he's not a smart guy and LE ignored him for years.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64096

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuziQ View Post
    I still think the jailhouse informant is either John Lilly or Jaramy Alford or maybe even Jaramy's brother. I'm leaning towards Lilly because he was a member of the drowning fetish website. He's a perfect example of how he's not a smart guy and LE ignored him for years.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64096
    Personally I don't think it is either. The idea of pods and groups with an heirarchy speaks to me of a systematic group..where those at the top control the direction of the group and the followers carry out those orders. On thread three when I put the CNN link in I referred to this theory. It is important to remember there is an heirarchy. I don't see either Lilly or the Alford's being followers, nor do I think they possess the intelligence to devise this plan of an undetectable criminal death. They could carry it out..but I don't think they are people this particular group would trust to carry it out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaDawn View Post
    Personally I don't think it is either. The idea of pods and groups with an heirarchy speaks to me of a systematic group..where those at the top control the direction of the group and the followers carry out those orders. On thread three when I put the CNN link in I referred to this theory. It is important to remember there is an heirarchy. I don't see either Lilly or the Alford's being followers, nor do I think they possess the intelligence to devise this plan of an undetectable criminal death. They could carry it out..but I don't think they are people this particular group would trust to carry it out.

    The informant may not have been an actual member or an active participant. And I do see a possibility of an organization through a drowning fetish club that Lilly was involved in.

    ETA: Pdf page 50 is why I feel Lilly is the informant.

    http://kstp.com/kstpImages/mpdcasefile.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    I thought they were intelligent people doing this and not some street punk types. Which, I might add confuses me as to how a "not smart, not good in school" person or people could pull off as perfect of murder repeatedly as I have ever heard of!! Makes no sense to me.
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    Most serial killers are men who use brute force without a lot of thought. That's why I thought these were simple street abductions on quiet dark streets. I didn't think the killers would be showing up and entering the bar first though; that would surprise me unless there are 2 teams of killers--1 team to socialize in the bar and slip a cap of GHB in a victims drink and another team in a van that waits outside
    SL- I completely disagree with your statement of "brute force without a lot of thought" the mean IQ of known serial killers is in excess of 160- all they are is thought, root cause varies, but you could never accuse any true SK that I am aware of as being thoughtless. I thought you were reading the posts, please read my theory upthread on each role of alleged perp team-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peculiar Petunia View Post
    Does this point to the killer carrying something with a set dose of GHB that's not enough to knock out a large person? Or so strong that a small person would go toes up on the spot, rather than leaving the bar?

    I'm thinking syringe or pipette.
    I think it does, but they have encountered differences in tolerances, imo. I think Seriously Searching theorized an eye drop bottle. It's that easy

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    If it was Lilly I would think they would have gotten to him by now..or think that his thoughts are so outlandish no one would believe him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaDawn View Post
    I think if we go back to the issue of the detectives saying that there was an hierarchy then what he says does not destroy any theory of thinking that the ones at the top of the food chain, order these killings, probably are, very intelligent and very organized. They are not the ones doing the physical kidnapping and may not be the ones placing the Vic's in the water. Think of the Mafia, the people at the top come up with the plans and strategies. They hire punks and ****s to take care of the work they don't want to dirty their hands with. Yet they call the shots.

    I think we are looking at a similar structure here, just not the Mafia. The top of this particular group is intelligent and organized..thrilled they have found a way to do this for so long without being caught. The people that are part of their group are the followers , who will do what they are told, exactly as they are told or risk their own demise. There are probably both personal and private gains for them. These people who are acting for the top would be the ones who would not have done well in school, nor been popular. They are more then willing to help with the demise of these targets that the intelligent top has picked.

    I think the detectives are putting the message out there to let these people know they are getting closer and they know how the group functions. And also beware to the worker bees in the group..they are saying they have their number. Maybe they are hoping some of them will give up info to save their own selves.
    DD- I totally agree with you. Based on your analogy, think the differences between Sonny and Fredo- The Leader, based on either birthrite or promotion, different levels shielding the "leader" and the soldiers which are expendable, and that sometimes it is an example, and sometimes it is for the bigger picture. To think a group could get away with this kind of chaos without serious planning and acumen, imo, is not possible.

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