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    keep trying

    ok, then we are on to something. Send a few more e-mails, the kind that generate a reaction and see what happens then. Others can pitch in too. Shutter can't do it all alone. Good detectives don't quit easily.


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    Quote Originally Posted by idla View Post
    ok, then we are on to something. Send a few more e-mails, the kind that generate a reaction and see what happens then. Others can pitch in too. Shutter can't do it all alone. Good detectives don't quit easily.
    The picture provided shows where the IP address came from (email) this is pretty easily found given the fact that it's in Redmond off of 164 ave and 85 street, it's a small complex that should be easy to find a physical address too.

    It still makes me wonder about how the letter was made and how he knew all of the ads bringing the letter together? the only noticeable one is the playboy cut out, the rest could have been fonts from anything, I don't know yet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by idla View Post
    ok, then we are on to something. Send a few more e-mails, the kind that generate a reaction and see what happens then. Others can pitch in too. Shutter can't do it all alone. Good detectives don't quit easily.
    This video has his voice on it (not computer animated) does not appear to be older than his 20's, I only seen the ones's with the animated voices. plus it's been on You Tube for almost a year and yet only 525 views? pretty sad for block busting evidence no?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcq305ozsUI&feature=plcp
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    nice work, detective

    Shutter:

    Nice work. You narrowed down a residential area for "he." See if you can narrow it even a bit more and you will have your answer.

    You are correct about the video. Not many hits for being up a year. But not many people really get it...........yet. You are getting warm.

    The clues in the video and the site are good clues, but hardly new. Most of this stuff was figured out almost 40 years ago, but have only recently come to light for general viewing.

    All cut-outs and paste-ups were definitely from June/July 1970 Playboys. Why those issues? That's the real question.

    It's a message within a message and its all part of the mystery that was first played out over 40 years ago.

    Nice work so far, Shutter. My compliments. Keep trying that e-mail address with "persuasiveness." If "he" answers, considerable yourself a real detective.

    idla


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    The whole caseconfusing and troubling

    Quote Originally Posted by idla View Post
    Shutter:

    Nice work. You narrowed down a residential area for "he." See if you can narrow it even a bit more and you will have your answer.

    You are correct about the video. Not many hits for being up a year. But not many people really get it...........yet. You are getting warm.

    The clues in the video and the site are good clues, but hardly new. Most of this stuff was figured out almost 40 years ago, but have only recently come to light for general viewing.

    All cut-outs and paste-ups were definitely from June/July 1970 Playboys. Why those issues? That's the real question.

    It's a message within a message and its all part of the mystery that was first played out over 40 years ago.

    Nice work so far, Shutter. My compliments. Keep trying that e-mail address with "persuasiveness." If "he" answers, considerable yourself a real detective.

    idla
    I just find this whole case confusing and troubling at the same time, why does the FBI hold back most of the evidence to this case 40 years after the fact? why do we have Mr Decoder hiding in the darkness, what is the purpose of hiding anything for a simple Hijacking that became unsolved, The FBI claims they want to close the case and yet refuse to release what they have.

    I could ask the same question to you, why do you want to know about Mr Decoder and yet give clues as to who "he" is?


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    surprise

    Shutter, everyone loves a surprise ending. It just takes some work to get to it. "Mr. Decoder" is making you work for it.

    Now, here's another little clue:

    The "Citizens Sleuth Team" which was put together by FBI agent Larry Carr, supposedly had full access to the NORJAK file. Interesting that not one person on that citizen's team ever wrote about or discussed the now famous "DB Cooper letters." Instead, they focused on the "Dan Cooper comic book" which was never referenced by DB Cooper. It was all SPECULATION with no substance of any kind to back it up. The new FBI agent on NORJAK has taken a different approach than Carr. Now, we are hearing about the Playboy cut-and-paste letter, which DB Cooper DID drop into the P. O. box on December 1, 1971.

    Kind of makes you wonder what else Larry Carr didn't show the Citizen's Sleuth Team, doesn't it?


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    Hmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by idla View Post
    Shutter, everyone loves a surprise ending. It just takes some work to get to it. "Mr. Decoder" is making you work for it.

    Now, here's another little clue:

    The "Citizens Sleuth Team" which was put together by FBI agent Larry Carr, supposedly had full access to the NORJAK file. Interesting that not one person on that citizen's team ever wrote about or discussed the now famous "DB Cooper letters." Instead, they focused on the "Dan Cooper comic book" which was never referenced by DB Cooper. It was all SPECULATION with no substance of any kind to back it up. The new FBI agent on NORJAK has taken a different approach than Carr. Now, we are hearing about the Playboy cut-and-paste letter, which DB Cooper DID drop into the P. O. box on December 1, 1971.

    Kind of makes you wonder what else Larry Carr didn't show the Citizen's Sleuth Team, doesn't it?
    If you don't mind me asking, where do you fit into all of this?
    also no response as of yet with the email.


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    one more hint

    Larry Carr never believed that DB Cooper survived the jump, therefore he only showed the FBI's evidence that supported his theory. He devised all kinds of backstories and excuses to advance his theory, leaving the "other" evidence out of view from independent investigators such as Tom Kaye, Carol Abrazcinskas, and writer Geoff Gray. This is analagous to misconduct in the world of criminal prosecution, not to show other evidence that could be exculpatory in nature. But the current NORJAK agent believes DB Cooper escaped and got away. AND, he is willing to examine "other" evidence that supports this belief. If you read Geoff Gray's book, you will see no mention whatsoever about the "DB Cooper letters," which is Exhibit A evidence for his escape. If Gray had access to any of those letters, don't you think he would have written about them?

    ps: I'm just an average Joe examining the facts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by idla View Post
    Larry Carr never believed that DB Cooper survived the jump, therefore he only showed the FBI's evidence that supported his theory. He devised all kinds of backstories and excuses to advance his theory, leaving the "other" evidence out of view from independent investigators such as Tom Kaye, Carol Abrazcinskas, and writer Geoff Gray. This is analagous to misconduct in the world of criminal prosecution, not to show other evidence that could be exculpatory in nature. But the current NORJAK agent believes DB Cooper escaped and got away. AND, he is willing to examine "other" evidence that supports this belief. If you read Geoff Gray's book, you will see no mention whatsoever about the "DB Cooper letters," which is Exhibit A evidence for his escape. If Gray had access to any of those letters, don't you think he would have written about them?

    ps: I'm just an average Joe examining the facts.
    I agree and believe the FBI killed him off very soon after the Hijacking (media wise) I think they use the point of him not making the jump in order to cover a lot of mistakes that were made in the case, which seem to continue such as the Cig butts disappearing which I find disturbing because it was around the time DNA was really coming out!

    I still don't see the reason to keep all of the under the sheets this many years later, let us have a crack at it!!


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    Lynn Doyle Cooper

    Quote Originally Posted by idla View Post
    Larry Carr never believed that DB Cooper survived the jump, therefore he only showed the FBI's evidence that supported his theory. He devised all kinds of backstories and excuses to advance his theory, leaving the "other" evidence out of view from independent investigators such as Tom Kaye, Carol Abrazcinskas, and writer Geoff Gray. This is analagous to misconduct in the world of criminal prosecution, not to show other evidence that could be exculpatory in nature. But the current NORJAK agent believes DB Cooper escaped and got away. AND, he is willing to examine "other" evidence that supports this belief. If you read Geoff Gray's book, you will see no mention whatsoever about the "DB Cooper letters," which is Exhibit A evidence for his escape. If Gray had access to any of those letters, don't you think he would have written about them?

    ps: I'm just an average Joe examining the facts.
    what do you think about LD Cooper? I was the one who found the birth issue between Lynn and Dewey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idla View Post
    He devised all kinds of backstories and excuses to advance his theory, leaving the "other" evidence out of view from independent investigators such as Tom Kaye, Carol Abrazcinskas, and writer Geoff Gray. This is analagous to misconduct in the world of criminal prosecution, not to show other evidence that could be exculpatory in nature.
    WOW, I guess you know because you were there right? We saw MANY "Cooper Letters" and they were only a subset of dozens more. Yes we ignored them because when you were actually in the room and read them, you realized that they were worthless tidbits sent in by crazies trying to jump on the cooper bandwagon.

    I can't believe that this group finally gets a fresh start away from Dropzone and it goes wrong all over again here. It was on track for a while but I guess its just the "Cooper Curse".

    Tom Kaye


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    welcome, Tom

    Tom,

    good to have you on board and finally disclosing more info. Since Geoff Gray didn't write about the DB Cooper letters, and since you didn't mention them in any of your previous posts at another venue, now, maybe you can divulge a bit more from your "insider" knowledge of FBI evidence. Believe me, we are trying to get "all of the information," Tom, to solve this case.

    DOZENS of DB Cooper letters? What did Larry Carr say about the Playboy cut-out and paste-up letter, considering that you saw it and had an opportunity to examine it? Did the FBI previously know that this letter was from a Playboy magazine?

    Please consider telling us what you know about all those DB Cooper letters that you were privy to viewing. Thanks, Tom. And thanks for joining the Web Sleuths and letting us know that you are staying tuned-in and onboard. Much appreciated.

    ps.......there is no Cooper Curse, just an incomplete investigation with a lot of frustrated folks.


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    LD

    Shutter,

    LD was a wild goose chase for the FBI last year, and was only briefly advanced as a suspect because some police officer backed-up Marla's original story. The story fell apart as did the forensics and the FBI has turned their embarrassed cheeks on the entire LD Cooper affair.

    Nice job on the birth issue. Can you zero-in and "pinpoint" the exact physical address for "he?"

    One more little clue for your detective prowress.............
    "Al Di," author of the website and video regarding the Playboy cut-out letter, chose this name last August. Note how similar "Al Di" is to "LD."

    You get the picture, Shutter, better than most. If you get that "pinpoint" address, let me know through private methods, and I'll tell you who "Al Di" really is, and why he will not respond to you or anyone else.


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    Quote Originally Posted by idla View Post
    Shutter,

    LD was a wild goose chase for the FBI last year, and was only briefly advanced as a suspect because some police officer backed-up Marla's original story. The story fell apart as did the forensics and the FBI has turned their embarrassed cheeks on the entire LD Cooper affair.

    Nice job on the birth issue. Can you zero-in and "pinpoint" the exact physical address for "he?"

    One more little clue for your detective prowress.............
    "Al Di," author of the website and video regarding the Playboy cut-out letter, chose this name last August. Note how similar "Al Di" is to "LD."

    You get the picture, Shutter, better than most. If you get that "pinpoint" address, let me know through private methods, and I'll tell you who "Al Di" really is, and why he will not respond to you or anyone else.

    I noticed two quotes on your post's "pinpoint" "Mr Decoder" in which I only mentioned to one person off this form, It has also come to my attention that Idla = al di backwards. a little birdie told me the last part.

    so I guess I have been played!!!


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    a little birdie???

    What? You couldn't figure out that on your own, Shutter? I know a lot of smart little birdies out there.

    If you can pinpoint the exact address on "your own," then you are smarter than CKRET, Tom Kaye, and the entire super Citizens Sleuth Team all put together. And that shouldn't be too hard to do.

    It didn't take me that long to figure out "L.D." = "Al Di."

    Anyway, I give you bonus points for being in the game as long as you have been, Shutter.

    idla

    ps....say hi to the little birdie from me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by idla View Post
    What? You couldn't figure out that on your own, Shutter? I know a lot of smart little birdies out there.

    If you can pinpoint the exact address on "your own," then you are smarter than CKRET, Tom Kaye, and the entire super Citizens Sleuth Team all put together. And that shouldn't be too hard to do.

    It didn't take me that long to figure out "L.D." = "Al Di."

    Anyway, I give you bonus points for being in the game as long as you have been, Shutter.

    idla

    ps....say hi to the little birdie from me.
    snowman?


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    idla

    Hi to you too, Snow, and thanks for lurking in the backgound on this. Your good work does not go unnoticed.

    Any hits on a pinpoint address? Shutter is almost there.


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    Clarify

    Quote Originally Posted by idla View Post
    Hi to you too, Snow, and thanks for lurking in the backgound on this. Your good work does not go unnoticed.

    Any hits on a pinpoint address? Shutter is almost there.
    The "pinpoint" was if the photo was correct to the IP address named, that is why I said to Bruce that it would be easily pinpointed, the streets were right there. I did a quick search and found that IP and photo with it and produced it, I didn't try and pinpoint the location, since I didn't know who I was talking to, I didn't really pay attention to the name, so "my bad"

    Take care guys and good luck with your search. Snowman was in reference to you.
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    pinpoint

    Shutter:

    If you can, just send Bruce the "pinpoint" location. He'll pass along to me. We'll keep you in the tight loop as to who "he " is. "Al Di" is trying to cover this all up, but I'm afraid its not going to work. Some important people now know who "he" is, and soon you will too, Shutter. Confirmation will be granted to you, as long as you don't broadcast. This operation is "case sensitive."

    Snowmann gives his regards.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TomKaye View Post
    WOW, I guess you know because you were there right? We saw MANY "Cooper Letters" and they were only a subset of dozens more. Yes we ignored them because when you were actually in the room and read them, you realized that they were worthless tidbits sent in by crazies trying to jump on the cooper bandwagon.

    I can't believe that this group finally gets a fresh start away from Dropzone and it goes wrong all over again here. It was on track for a while but I guess its just the "Cooper Curse".

    Tom Kaye
    We aren't mind readers!

    How did you: "realized that they were worthless tidbits sent in
    by crazies". Were they signed by: "IM CRAZY" ? What are you talking
    about, specifically?

    Where were the postmarks from? Were they all paste ups or hand written?
    Were they pink, white, blue, or what?

    As for: "I can't believe that this group finally gets a fresh start away
    from Dropzone and it goes wrong all over again here..." all forums rely on
    information. If the information is lacking or absent, then there is a void.
    You are partly responsible for the void, as per yours above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idla View Post
    Shutter:

    If you can, just send Bruce the "pinpoint" location. He'll pass along to me. We'll keep you in the tight loop as to who "he " is. "Al Di" is trying to cover this all up, but I'm afraid its not going to work. Some important people now know who "he" is, and soon you will too, Shutter. Confirmation will be granted to you, as long as you don't broadcast. This operation is "case sensitive."

    Snowmann gives his regards.
    Dear Idla, Ilda, Idal, DiAl, AlDi or whoever or whatever you are ...
    What is the point of this nonsense and how does anyone know anything
    for certain regarding these socalled letters?

    Dialectic is easy; do you have Cooper dna snips to share!?

    Or the radar output from ATC?

    We have enough smoke rings and mirros! No sale.
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    Say what?

    Quote Originally Posted by idla View Post
    Shutter:

    If you can, just send Bruce the "pinpoint" location. He'll pass along to me. We'll keep you in the tight loop as to who "he " is. "Al Di" is trying to cover this all up, but I'm afraid its not going to work. Some important people now know who "he" is, and soon you will too, Shutter. Confirmation will be granted to you, as long as you don't broadcast. This operation is "case sensitive."

    Snowmann gives his regards.
    I'm not positive as to who you are but, If you are Snowman or close enough to him then you should have been able to do what I did cross checking the email address, I don't know if the information was correct or not, I did not put any time into the search because of the source, there is really nothing to pinpoint, I gave the cross streets and other than physically going there I can't provide any further information.

    I have decided to back off from these forms for a while due to the nature of what is going on @ DZ and what is already beginning here, If anything should happen block busting story wise, I'm sure some of you can "pinpoint" where I have gone off too!


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    Georger,

    Ok here is your info. I read three letters, two if I remember right were cut and paste letters the other was hand written. "

    Letter 1 said something to the effect of: "I have the cash and am living happily in another country"

    Letter 2 said something like: " I lost the cash and had to go back home"

    Letter 3 specifically said: " I want to give the money back, please let me know where I can do so"

    I said to Larry "these are hysterical, how many of them are there?" and he replied "dozens".

    So there you go Georger, void filled, have at it and see how closely you can get them to match up to the Cooper Case.

    TK


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    fyi

    Shutter: Up to you, sir. This is all being done to cross-reference our sources with another, for confirmation purposes. You seem fairly sharp, that's why you were invited in by us. AND, you don't seem to be afraid to confront dbcooperDecoded@hotmail.com


    Georger: This is NOT nonsense. It's common sense. Come on, you're a sharp tool. You can figure this all out. ps.......yes, DNA is in play, sir. Others just didn't figure that out. That's why you're the sharp tool in the shed. Radar maps will be discussed soon.

    Tom: Larry Carr didn't invite you and the gang in to share the spoils with him. Larry just doesn't have game. Most of the letters are phoney. But not all. You have to know what you're looking for. And we do.

    idla


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShutter45 View Post
    I have decided to back off from these forms for a while due to the nature of what is going on @ DZ and what is already beginning here,...
    Mr...45,

    I would like you to stay. When you get the hang of it you can just ignore whatever you want to on a forum. Participate the way you want to. Skip the garbage. I will be bypassing "we know alls." You post something... I'll read it and respond if I have anything to say about it. You've been doing something potentially useful here.


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