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    Quote Originally Posted by idla View Post
    Shutter: Up to you, sir. This is all being done to cross-reference our sources with another, for confirmation purposes. You seem fairly sharp, that's why you were invited in by us. AND, you don't seem to be afraid to confront dbcooperDecoded@hotmail.com


    Georger: This is NOT nonsense. It's common sense. Come on, you're a sharp tool. You can figure this all out. ps.......yes, DNA is in play, sir. Others just didn't figure that out. That's why you're the sharp tool in the shed. Radar maps will be discussed soon.

    Tom: Larry Carr didn't invite you and the gang in to share the spoils with him. Larry just doesn't have game. Most of the letters are phoney. But not all. You have to know what you're looking for. And we do.

    idla
    I'll tell you what, have Bruce contact me giving any details he might have, I do not want this on this thread at this stage until things can be verified! If this can turn out to be something worth while I will help but, only if it can be verified and off this thread.


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    evad

    ouytcatnocecurbevahlliw. laersirettelyobyalp. draobaemoclew.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hominid View Post
    Mr...45,

    I would like you to stay. When you get the hang of it you can just ignore whatever you want to on a forum. Participate the way you want to. Skip the garbage. I will be bypassing "we know alls." You post something... I'll read it and respond if I have anything to say about it. You've been doing something potentially useful here.
    agree - agree. This is not the Dropzone and it needn't be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShutter45 View Post
    I'll tell you what, have Bruce contact me giving any details he might have, I do not want this on this thread at this stage until things can be verified! If this can turn out to be something worth while I will help but, only if it can be verified and off this thread.
    Any number of people have tracked AlDi and shared their results privately.
    Several remailers and addresses have come up, from Florida to Toronto, and
    yours is one. The question in my mind is, is any of it worth even sharing,
    publically - to what end? What do traces of an internet emailer (remailer) and
    poster to several blogs who also has his own website, reveal about the letters
    which predate the current flap by many years?

    The ability or lack of ability to track someone's posts and emails on the
    internet is not what this forum is about. And nobody here should be harrassed
    or baited about it. This forum is about the DB Cooper case; not internet skills!
    Nobody needs feel guilty or inadequate because of the lack of some skill here!
    Good grief! This is just a friendly forum. Not a crusade in narcicistic perfectionism?

    Well. That came out fairly smoothly. I think I will post it!

    Shutter. Dont let 'abahfgreteli' run you off!

    Thanks, good sir. Happy holidays to all.
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    So there you go Georger, void filled, have at it and see how closely you can get them to match up to the Cooper Case.

    TK[/quote]

    And why would I do that! ?

    On your other comment: this forum has taken a wrong turn ....

    What are you talking about and what is the "right path", to what?
    Do you have something specific in mind?
    Last edited by georger; 07-01-2012 at 04:56 AM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by idla View Post
    ouytcatnocecurbevahlliw. laersirettelyobyalp. draobaemoclew.
    English written in words and sentences, is the preferred form of
    communication here, I think. There's probably some rule about that.



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    As we were

    Quote Originally Posted by georger View Post
    agree - agree. This is not the Dropzone and it needn't be.
    I don't let something like that run me off, I was trying to see what the intentions of the poster was and seem to of got my answer by there last post, thanks Hominid and Georger for the kind words!


    Since I can't find a good free desktop recorder at this point, I am making a video that highlights the software I am using. should be up by the end of the day


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    Simulator video trailer

    Last edited by KateB; 05-23-2015 at 07:42 PM. Reason: repair url tag.


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    English de-coded

    Georger, agreed. Got a little carried away with all of these wacky codes and now I lost my Playboy mag too. Must be part of that Cooper Curse.
    Tom's remark, "worthless tidbits," shows me that Larry Carr had his CSG in line. Great way to run an investigation when you control the cards and have a pre-set agenda. Figured Tom wouldn't have fallen for that old trick. But they do. Carr's transfer got him out of the muddle, and out of bureau lore. Looks like he'll be doing retirement the old-fashioned way.

    Let's get er done, before "you-know-who" shows up.


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    Mr...45

    If you'd like I can get weather info together so it'll be organized to put it into the simulator easily when you're ready for it. I can have it for SEATAC, Toledo and PDX. I can interpolate to the times at which you would be at each place. Cloud tops is not available, but we could estimate midway up to the next layer base and I think the flight must have been above the clouds while at 10,000'.


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    weather data

    Quote Originally Posted by hominid View Post
    Mr...45

    If you'd like I can get weather info together so it'll be organized to put it into the simulator easily when you're ready for it. I can have it for SEATAC, Toledo and PDX. I can interpolate to the times at which you would be at each place. Cloud tops is not available, but we could estimate midway up to the next layer base and I think the flight must have been above the clouds while at 10,000'.
    Yes, what ever we can get in order to be as close as we can to that day with the weather is a plus! I want to get as close to real time as possible.

    cloud cover
    temp
    barometric pressure
    dewpoint
    ceiling
    rain amount
    wind
    etc etc

    I will post the weather stations I can manipulate on the simulator

    Thanks H


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    Weather Stations

    these are the stations I can adjust around the flight path.

    Seattle (seatac)
    Point Robinson Coast Guard Light station
    McCord AFB
    Grey AFB
    Chehaslis Centralia
    Toledo Winlock
    Longview
    Portland (PDX)


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    Quote Originally Posted by idla View Post
    Georger, agreed. Got a little carried away with all of these wacky codes and now I lost my Playboy mag too. Must be part of that Cooper Curse.
    Tom's remark, "worthless tidbits," shows me that Larry Carr had his CSG in line. Great way to run an investigation when you control the cards and have a pre-set agenda. Figured Tom wouldn't have fallen for that old trick. But they do. Carr's transfer got him out of the muddle, and out of bureau lore. Looks like he'll be doing retirement the old-fashioned way.

    Let's get er done, before "you-know-who" shows up.
    Thanks and appreciated! Lets get 'er done.

    I wonder if Tomw asnt telling the whole story; surely there was discussion
    with Larry that is not being reported. But I agree with Tom, the letters
    are a morass. Maybe something will pop up on some one's radar
    concerning the letters. It wouldnt cost much to look for dna on the backs
    of the stamps.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShutter45 View Post
    I don't let something like that run me off, I was trying to see what the intentions of the poster was and seem to of got my answer by there last post, thanks Hominid and Georger for the kind words!


    Since I can't find a good free desktop recorder at this point, I am making a video that highlights the software I am using. should be up by the end of the day
    Great work as usual! and thanks for your kind words too.


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    Flight Path

    upon looking at the maps on Sluggo's site, am I correct to understand that they skewed off V23 once they past Toledo/Maylay intersection and came in around Merwin on a South westerly approach? then getting back on v23 to Battleground, I see some zig zagging going on that is pretty tricky in the sky VS looking on a map, this area is not big at all once in the air.

    when you are in the air the space is very confined between Battleground and the Columbia, like trying to run around in a closet

    I finally figured out how to deploy the aft stairs and can now open them in flight, complete with lights on the stairs


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShutter45 View Post
    upon looking at the maps on Sluggo's site, am I correct to understand that they skewed off V23 once they past Toledo/Maylay intersection and came in around Merwin on a South westerly approach? then getting back on v23 to Battleground, I see some zig zagging going on that is pretty tricky in the sky VS looking on a map, this area is not big at all once in the air.

    ....

    I finally figured out how to deploy the aft stairs and can now open them in flight, complete with lights on the stairs
    They were off to the west early-on, heading directly for Toledo and Toledo airport when they should have been heading for the intersection. Changed to eastward at or near Toledo airport.

    Crossed over the V23 CL about 3nm SSE of the intersection and went progressively to the east of the CL to the point marked "2005" over the south fork miles east of Ostrander. From this point the flight paralleled the V23 CL about 2nm to the east of the CL until the "2009" point about 1nm S of 46N.

    The flight turned a bit west toward the V23 CL and got to it at about the "2012" point, where the flight turned a bit to the east and paralleled the V23 CL until it passed about 1.4nm east of the Portland (now Battleground) VORTAC.

    Getting close is good enough, especially at the main turns. You could cut across the insides of the turns. The flightpath plot has a precision of .5 min of latitude and longitude, which means about .35nm for east-west position.

    About the airstair: Deploying it shouldn't affect the flying much unless you can push them down into the airstream farther than their natural fall point.

    The weather: I'm getting it together. There's no data for any but SEATAC and PDX. We have 8pm data for Toledo from the av. weather reports Carr gave us. Could use the same thing for Kelso-Longview. Also, one of those reports included a weather alert section that indicates that the rain cell tops in the western 40 percent of Washington and Oregon was expected to be at 8000 feet, so that would be good for the tops of the clouds.


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    Weather data

    Quote Originally Posted by hominid View Post
    They were off to the west early-on, heading directly for Toledo and Toledo airport when they should have been heading for the intersection. Changed to eastward at or near Toledo airport.

    Crossed over the V23 CL about 3nm SSE of the intersection and went progressively to the east of the CL to the point marked "2005" over the south fork miles east of Ostrander. From this point the flight paralleled the V23 CL about 2nm to the east of the CL until the "2009" point about 1nm S of 46N.

    The flight turned a bit west toward the V23 CL and got to it at about the "2012" point, where the flight turned a bit to the east and paralleled the V23 CL until it passed about 1.4nm east of the Portland (now Battleground) VORTAC.

    Getting close is good enough, especially at the main turns. You could cut across the insides of the turns. The flightpath plot has a precision of .5 min of latitude and longitude, which means about .35nm for east-west position.

    About the airstair: Deploying it shouldn't affect the flying much unless you can push them down into the airstream farther than their natural fall point.

    The weather: I'm getting it together. There's no data for any but SEATAC and PDX. We have 8pm data for Toledo from the av. weather reports Carr gave us. Could use the same thing for Kelso-Longview. Also, one of those reports included a weather alert section that indicates that the rain cell tops in the western 40 percent of Washington and Oregon was expected to be at 8000 feet, so that would be good for the tops of the clouds.
    No rush on the data, I'm still learning all of the controls etc etc, the stairs open in the fully extended position, I don't think much happens but until I get the controls set the way I need them for better control of what I am doing I can't tell, really need a co-pilot

    the first part is pretty easy with them following V23 to Toledo area, I haven't flown much past that point (only test flying...playing) but it is not easy to go back and forth between Battleground and let's say Route 5 without any given flight plan, very small area in the sky.

    Having the flaps down, gear and stairs flying at low speeds makes it for a challenge no doubt. still learning how these guys did it, it's not easy at all


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShutter45 View Post
    No rush on the data, I'm still learning all of the controls etc etc, the stairs open in the fully extended position, I don't think much happens but until I get the controls set the way I need them for better control of what I am doing I can't tell, really need a co-pilot

    the first part is pretty easy with them following V23 to Toledo area, I haven't flown much past that point (only test flying...playing) but it is not easy to go back and forth between Battleground and let's say Route 5 without any given flight plan, very small area in the sky.

    Having the flaps down, gear and stairs flying at low speeds makes it for a challenge no doubt. still learning how these guys did it, it's not easy at all.
    I'd be surprised if the sim would truly account for the tail pitch-up and drag from the stair being down. I don't think quatitative data is available for it, except probably at Boeing. [edit: probably the same for having the gear down]

    The transcript of comm has some from 305 to the effect that they had to make slow, flat turns.

    Let me know if you need the temp and pressure to be in any particular units.


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    Transcripts

    Quote Originally Posted by hominid View Post
    I'd be surprised if the sim would truly account for the tail pitch-up and drag from the stair being down. I don't think quatitative data is available for it, except probably at Boeing. [edit: probably the same for having the gear down]

    The transcript of comm has some from 305 to the effect that they had to make slow, flat turns.

    Let me know if you need the temp and pressure to be in any particular units.
    How many different sets of transcripts are online? I got mine off of Sluggo's site and still can't find anything about 30 degr flaps?


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    Aft Stairs

    Believe it or not, the stairs depressurized the plane when I activate them, I have to figure out how to depressurize the plane, the same happens when I open the side door, but not a cargo door.

    also flew a straight line from Merwin Dam to PDX and it took 6 minutes and 45 seconds at a airspeed of about 180-185 at 10,000, I flew instrumentation only because I zoomed in on the gauges while flying.


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    Hmmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by ****** View Post
    Well, you can't pressurize the plane with a cargo door open:

    http://www.fss.aero/accident-reports...eport_key=1147

    The airstairs are outside of the pressure vessel but there is a door in the aft bulkhead to get to them, otherwise they wouldn't be useful.

    A couple of photos in this thread show what it's like when open in flight:

    http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/2489893/
    Taking the plane up again, I was hoping the cargo area was not pressurized...Bzzz wrong, let's see what happens again.

    Samething happened, nothing on the cabin gauge on the cargo door, when I open the aft or side door, the gauge drops fast.

    here is the door in question.... http://s1224.photobucket.com/albums/...ent=door-1.jpg
    Last edited by MrShutter45; 07-02-2012 at 11:50 PM. Reason: add photo


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShutter45 View Post
    How many different sets of transcripts are online? I got mine off of Sluggo's site and still can't find anything about 30 degr flaps?
    Not sure. Havent checked in years. Plus everyone seems to call them something differently and Im not sure whats on Sluggos site now. Not much help am I! Theres the PI flight coms, NWA flight coms Transcript ....... gues thats two. What transcript(s) did you have in mind?


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    Quote Originally Posted by hominid View Post
    They were off to the west early-on, heading directly for Toledo and Toledo airport when they should have been heading for the intersection. Changed to eastward at or near Toledo airport.

    Crossed over the V23 CL about 3nm SSE of the intersection and went progressively to the east of the CL to the point marked "2005" over the south fork miles east of Ostrander. From this point the flight paralleled the V23 CL about 2nm to the east of the CL until the "2009" point about 1nm S of 46N.

    The flight turned a bit west toward the V23 CL and got to it at about the "2012" point, where the flight turned a bit to the east and paralleled the V23 CL until it passed about 1.4nm east of the Portland (now Battleground) VORTAC.

    Getting close is good enough, especially at the main turns. You could cut across the insides of the turns. The flightpath plot has a precision of .5 min of latitude and longitude, which means about .35nm for east-west position.

    About the airstair: Deploying it shouldn't affect the flying much unless you can push them down into the airstream farther than their natural fall point.

    The weather: I'm getting it together. There's no data for any but SEATAC and PDX. We have 8pm data for Toledo from the av. weather reports Carr gave us. Could use the same thing for Kelso-Longview. Also, one of those reports included a weather alert section that indicates that the rain cell tops in the western 40 percent of Washington and Oregon was expected to be at 8000 feet, so that would be good for the tops of the clouds.
    Im going to save this for future reference. Whose script are you following,
    if you are?


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    No script

    Quote Originally Posted by georger View Post
    Im going to save this for future reference. Whose script are you following,
    if you are?
    No script as of yet, I'm just trying to find all of the accurate data I can. just noticed that was not for me to answer

    It also appears the cargo doors are not always pressurized.


    The cargo sections of planes may not always be pressurized, which means that cargo doors can come open during flight. Since people aren't usually in the cargo bay, the risk of this occurrence is minimal, unless a cargo door malfunctions, as happened in 1989 on a United Airlines flight to Hawaii. Specialized aircraft such as planes used for skydiving obviously remain unpressurized so that the doors of the aircraft can be opened, allowing people to jump out.


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    30 Flaps

    Quote Originally Posted by MrShutter45 View Post
    How many different sets of transcripts are online? I got mine off of Sluggo's site and still can't find anything about 30 degr flaps?
    The 30 is not in a transcript. It is in the incident report provided by NWA to the FBI on the following day. It is the document R99 calls "FBI notes." I found it. Sluggo calls it something like "additional crew notes." Just a bit below the other transcript under "other evidence." Some of it can't be trusted because NWA lumped together events and assigned the groups different times than when they were logged in the transcript. Most of it is just reproduction of parts of the comm transcripts.
    Last edited by hominid; 07-03-2012 at 01:33 AM.


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