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    Deaths of Male College Students-General Discussion #5

    Please continue here:
    "WE SEEK FOR THE TRUTH. WE SEEK JUSTICE.
    THE COURTS REQUIRE IT. THE VICTIMS CRY FOR IT
    AND GOD DEMANDS IT!"

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    and rescue workers, Team 5, at the OKC Bombing site 4-19-1995.



    What I post are my opinions only.

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    I have to get caught up on things here, but from the looks of the previous page...we are no closer than we were before.
    "WE SEEK FOR THE TRUTH. WE SEEK JUSTICE.
    THE COURTS REQUIRE IT. THE VICTIMS CRY FOR IT
    AND GOD DEMANDS IT!"

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    and rescue workers, Team 5, at the OKC Bombing site 4-19-1995.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    I have to get caught up on things here, but from the looks of the previous page...we are no closer than we were before.
    Unfortunately I agree. It seems that it is taking some posters most of their available time on here correcting facts that were uncovered early on and verified. I find this counter-productive and frankly have not spent much time here as a result. There are a slew of posters on this thread that spend an exhaustive amount of time checking their facts and uncovering new possibilities, I just would like to see their work both more respected, and in short, want to help, and their objective is to solve these cases and give families answers. If that is not someones goal I would question why they are on here.
    Fran, RR, DD, SuzQ, SS, Agigi,DS, VG, V3,LB,Shadow, Roxye, and whoever I forgot and will undoubtedly need to recognize following "submit" I hope you realize that your work for this guys is important and it matters and to hang in. Sorry for the rant, this matters, imho.

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    We need to get things back on track here and figure out the missing pieces. Since D & G aren't giving us much to work with, we need to avoid the tangents and try to keep the facts straight. Speculation is one thing, but going down the wrong paths over and over will not lead anywhere.
    "WE SEEK FOR THE TRUTH. WE SEEK JUSTICE.
    THE COURTS REQUIRE IT. THE VICTIMS CRY FOR IT
    AND GOD DEMANDS IT!"

    A quote spray painted on the wall by search
    and rescue workers, Team 5, at the OKC Bombing site 4-19-1995.



    What I post are my opinions only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    We need to get things back on track here and figure out the missing pieces. Since D & G aren't giving us much to work with, we need to avoid the tangents and try to keep the facts straight. Speculation is one thing, but going down the wrong paths over and over will not lead anywhere.
    Agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaDawn View Post
    Agreed
    Ditto.
    This is a thought, and a bit aggressive as I am going on vacay in 3 days, but, what if we took the "smelliest" cases, reviewed for the "unanswered questions" portions and rate by hinky factor.. Then start the process of linking them WITHOUT the graffiti, perhaps just focusing on the tangibles.

    I'm thinking:
    category of possible vics that were traveling when they went missing and not in their "turf"..

    Category of vics that KNEW each other at some point

    Category of vics with verified direct evidence that conflicts with accidental drowning (cell phone elsewhere, folded clothes, etc..)

    Anyone?
    It has dawned on me that we are all assuming that D&G have linked these cases and we know or will found out how- Maybe the best way to prove that theory is to take the postion from a protaganistic perspective, or in this case, the FBI, which should net us a "fill in the blanks scenario" to work with, but by working with the exclusionary rule, not the "if I can't answer how he got there than it is an accident."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaDawn View Post
    Agreed
    Absolutely!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blink34 View Post
    Unfortunately I agree. It seems that it is taking some posters most of their available time on here correcting facts that were uncovered early on and verified. I find this counter-productive and frankly have not spent much time here as a result. There are a slew of posters on this thread that spend an exhaustive amount of time checking their facts and uncovering new possibilities, I just would like to see their work both more respected, and in short, want to help, and their objective is to solve these cases and give families answers. If that is not someones goal I would question why they are on here.
    Fran, RR, DD, SuzQ, SS, Agigi,DS, VG, V3,LB,Shadow, Roxye, and whoever I forgot and will undoubtedly need to recognize following "submit" I hope you realize that your work for this guys is important and it matters and to hang in. Sorry for the rant, this matters, imho.
    People who don't agree with you aren't supposed to post? As I see it; alcohol and drug awareness never hurt anyone. The only thing that hurts; is when the dangers of alcohol or drug abuse are ignored. And if this is simply a bs ratings grab by KTSP and a dead end trail that Gannon went broke following; then the kids who really were murdered; like possibly Josh Szostak and maybe a couple of others; have been completely hosed. That is; their families who want answers have been hosed. KTSP got the story in the summer of 2007, but they held the story for 9 months until ratings sweeps week. Why was that? As they held their juicy story; 9 more kids drowned during the 2007-2008 school year. It's wrong to question this? Gannon said he went public to warn others; yet he had no problem with KTSP holding the story for 9 months and waiting for ratings sweeps week? Obviously the warning should have come BEFORE the school year if this was really genuine

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    Anyone can post all they want, but keeping things on track here doesn't mean we will be inclined to respond to continually argue points with them. I think we have wasted a lot of effort and time by doing this while it has gotten us nowhere! Why continue doing something that isn't working and bringing the case any further ahead? Makes no sense to me.

    Blink, I think you have a great idea as a new place to start. We can get to work on that while you enjoy yourself. You have earned a break!
    "WE SEEK FOR THE TRUTH. WE SEEK JUSTICE.
    THE COURTS REQUIRE IT. THE VICTIMS CRY FOR IT
    AND GOD DEMANDS IT!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheerLuck View Post
    People who don't agree with you aren't supposed to post? As I see it; alcohol and drug awareness never hurt anyone. The only thing that hurts; is when the dangers of alcohol or drug abuse are ignored. And if this is simply a bs ratings grab by KTSP and a dead end trail that Gannon went broke following; then the kids who really were murdered; like possibly Josh Szostak and maybe a couple of others; have been completely hosed. That is; their families who want answers have been hosed. KTSP got the story in the summer of 2007, but they held the story for 9 months until ratings sweeps week. Why was that? As they held their juicy story; 9 more kids drowned during the 2007-2008 school year. It's wrong to question this? Gannon said he went public to warn others; yet he had no problem with KTSP holding the story for 9 months and waiting for ratings sweeps week? Obviously the warning should have come BEFORE the school year if this was really genuine
    Sl- I am happy to discuss ANY opinions based on facts that further the investigation of these occurances. That being said, know that you post to be combative with your meritless and whimsical opinions, look above as an example. Do you sincerely belive that people on this thread are relying on press accounts just as you are? Or do you think that maybe some of us have really done the diligence? This is not about being right, this is about compassion, justice, and prevention. You are clear that iyo, you believe there is an alcohol problem and some are accidents, some are suicides.. I have duly noted your final opinion/analysis, and wish you "luck" as there is clearly nothing left for you to say hear, with no malice on my part. I /we just don't agree and would like to further our discussion without your apparent antagonism. What if this were your son?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    Anyone can post all they want, but keeping things on track here doesn't mean we will be inclined to respond to continually argue points with them. I think we have wasted a lot of effort and time by doing this while it has gotten us nowhere! Why continue doing something that isn't working and bringing the case any further ahead? Makes no sense to me.

    Blink, I think you have a great idea as a new place to start. We can get to work on that while you enjoy yourself. You have earned a break!
    SS- I am here, and will be as I can, and when I cannot will be in my heart.
    I always feel for those that don't have their sons to be on vacay with, as I am sure we all do, I'm up for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    Anyone can post all they want, but keeping things on track here doesn't mean we will be inclined to respond to continually argue points with them. I think we have wasted a lot of effort and time by doing this while it has gotten us nowhere! Why continue doing something that isn't working and bringing the case any further ahead? Makes no sense to me.

    Blink, I think you have a great idea as a new place to start. We can get to work on that while you enjoy yourself. You have earned a break!
    Good luck SS. I hope you or others can find something here, but I think as you look closer to each of these cases; you'll see that the hypothermia links I posted might not be throwing you off track. Hypothermia and alcohol might explain most of this. It only takes minutes to drown in cold water if a kid goes under; I never realized hypothermia was that fast, but even a 24 marine died in just minutes. I think if Gannon had done his homework BEFORE mortgaging his house; he would have know there is nothing "preposterious" as he put it; about 4 or 5 young men dieing from alcohol related drownings each year. If all of us had known that 24 Wisonsin kids died the past 30 years from drowning; we wouldn't have been so surprised by 8 Wisonsindrownings in 11 years. And if we were told that Sinsinawa was written 4 years before the murder on Sinsinawa Avenue; it would not have been such a compelling clue. For now I'll devote a bit of time to the Szostak case because thats the case that looks most likely to be foul play. I'll check here to see if any new ideas develop, but this case is closed as I see it.

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    Great! Now we can move on to other things we haven't already covered fully in other cases here on the board!
    "WE SEEK FOR THE TRUTH. WE SEEK JUSTICE.
    THE COURTS REQUIRE IT. THE VICTIMS CRY FOR IT
    AND GOD DEMANDS IT!"

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    and rescue workers, Team 5, at the OKC Bombing site 4-19-1995.



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    While I was searching for information on Brittany Zimmerman last night, I came across a news report of a young man in Wisconsin- about 30 yrs. old IIRC, who was missing, but his car was located near a river and his jacket (and something else, I believe) found as well. I tried to go back and locate it, but not luck yet. Everytime, I put in search clues I get US!! I believe the river began with a "D". Anyone hear of this? It had to be some time this past Spring. I'm kicking myself for not bookmarking it!

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    I believe I do recall a case like the one you are describing...but I don't recall the name either. Maybe someone else will remember.
    "WE SEEK FOR THE TRUTH. WE SEEK JUSTICE.
    THE COURTS REQUIRE IT. THE VICTIMS CRY FOR IT
    AND GOD DEMANDS IT!"

    A quote spray painted on the wall by search
    and rescue workers, Team 5, at the OKC Bombing site 4-19-1995.



    What I post are my opinions only.

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