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    Theories: Who and Why?

    Please post your theories here. We can discuss them on the normal discussion threads.
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    I go back and forth. Part of me thinks a kid did this, and then possibly a parent of the kid came to make sure the two girls where dead so that his kid would not get in trouble. Problem with that is not very much time for that to happen.

    It doesnt make sense to me that in such a small town, a stranger would be parked at an angle on the road and draw more attention to themselves if they had just committed a crime. If someone was there committing a crime, such as a drug deal etc they would try to basically stay hidden not sitting in the middle of the road. What throws me is several witness saw this man (do not know if that means 2,3,4, or 5?) then he had to be there for a period of time, unless we believe that many people drove down this road one right after the other and saw him. If that is the case then you would think there was pretty much constant traffic and someone would of seen him shoot the girls.

    I just feel like there is a big piece of the puzzle we are missing.

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    From the transcripts thread:

    GRACE: Well, have they determined the angle of the trajectory, the angle of the bullet? Because if that were true, someone shot from above, you could clearly see the angle entry, exit at the lower back.

    JESSICA BROWN: We do have a good idea of the trajectory at this point in time, but I can`t get into further details with you. But we`re looking at everything. We`re not taking anything lightly here.
    I think these girls were shot by someone standing in the back of a pickup. I think the truck full of boys with guns is too hard to ignore in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morag View Post
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    I think these girls were shot by someone standing in the back of a pickup. I think the truck full of boys with guns is too hard to ignore in this case.
    I think this can be ruled out by now, after two years if a number of people had been involved someone would have talked. Random act by a maximum of two people, most likely not locals, is my favorite theory. Without any witnesses such murders are almost impossible to solve since there is no coherent motive. I cannot begin to comprehend what sort of deranged impulse would drive anyone to commit such a horrendous act and be able to live with it, but it happens.

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    I think it has something to do with the little dog. Perhaps as they were walking some idiot pointed a gun at the dog and taunted the girls. They went ballastic, he stops and a physical confrontation gets out of hand.

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    I am believing more and more it was a random act based on the opportunity and the desire of the killer or killers. What the motive may be imo will be senseless when known and if this crime is ever solved.

    I am leaning in this direction because if the perps are known to the victims LE are much quicker to track that link down. When there is no attachment at all to the victims then it is a much harder case for LE to solve trying to link who the killer or killers could be. When the perp is unknown in the area and only composite sketches can be made and true identity remaining unknown it is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

    I know there are no assurances at all that evil can't pierce a quiet rural community right out of the blue shattering their safety zone. Senseless crime can happen anywhere at anytime for any reason or for no reason at all.

    I think that is why OSBI has widened their search nationally. They are pulling out all the stops in order to find this man. IMO, they know how dangerous he is and he is still out there and could be anywhere by now.

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    This case is haunting. I now believe that teens have committed this horrendous crime. My reasoning is simple.

    I live in a rural mountain region, population very small. A lot of young males and females shoot weapons. Target practicing is not unusual.

    If an adult had committed these murders, they would have shot them both just once. Experienced hunters would know how to kill.

    The first time, inexperienced predator would riddle with bullets to ensure his prey is not getting up. This is my theory.

    And, shooting these girls many times would have allowed a lot of disturbance among residents in this community. Kids would not consider someone hearing the shots.

    Adults would not have shot more than two times!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplicity View Post
    This case is haunting. I now believe that teens have committed this horrendous crime. My reasoning is simple.


    I am leaning toward your simple theory. It makes so much more sense,
    especially now with the road blocks. I also think it is now a familar local. Not even a known mean person per say but maybe just someone that just acts on impulse or not mature enough to handle emotions of anger or whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GetSmart View Post
    I am leaning toward your simple theory. It makes so much more sense,
    especially now with the road blocks. I also think it is now a familar local. Not even a known mean person per say but maybe just someone that just acts on impulse or not mature enough to handle emotions of anger or whatever.
    I am also feeling very strongly, that this may be the case. It's just a gut feeling, something I have had from the beginning, and I was trying to say that back when I stated that the answer may just be right under our noses and we cant or REFUSE to see it!

    I am beginning to feel like others are feeling this way too, since almost every other avenue has practically been exhausted.

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    So if something like what I said happened to the girls how would a person be charged? It could go so many ways.. Accidental Murder is there such a thing? If they didn't premeditate to really murder them ..Oh I just don't know what to think anymore.
    It is almost like getting out the crazy eight ball & asking it !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GetSmart View Post
    So if something like what I said happened to the girls how would a person be charged? It could go so many ways.. Accidental Murder is there such a thing? If they didn't premeditate to really murder them ..Oh I just don't know what to think anymore.
    It is almost like getting out the crazy eight ball & asking it !!!!

    If it indeed were "accidental murder", I would call it involuntary or voluntary manslaughter. But in my opinion, 13 shots just doesn't seem accidental.

    Believe me, you're not alone, GS... I have so many possibilities and thoughts running around my head about this it's crazy (or maybe I'm crazy, I don't know lol)
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    Ever any suggestion it might be girls?

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    No not really & the Girl Population seems so small. I see girls being vengeful in a different manor. Beating up Or nasty remarks on web pages. Guns seem more male to me.

    You know I was talking to my hubby about this & I really don't want to admit it but the reason I will is for our girls, I will tell a story on myself.

    When I first started going to the gun range about 5 yrs ago or so He was teaching me about guns..shooting ect. I was handed a 9mm auto.. he wanted me learn how to load it ect. Thank God we were alone at the indoor range. I had to put the clip in the end of the pistol grip then turn a little button then I would aim & fire. Well It had a "hair trigger & I had my finger on the trigger... you should not do that until you are ready to fire.. well I scared myself to death I shot the roof of the range before I knew what happen. I looked at him he said I looked like I had seen a ghost or something. I was so scared of that gun I put it down & did not pick up another gun for 2 years. I mean it went off twice bang bang so fast so scarey. There is so much power there and you do not realize it.
    I could've killed us it would have been that easy.
    I am just saying maybe the murders did not start out to be murders maybe they were being bullied or threatened & something happened.
    I don't know.. I am just typing and thinking at the same time. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by GetSmart View Post
    No not really & the Girl Population seems so small. I see girls being vengeful in a different manor. Beating up Or nasty remarks on web pages. Guns seem more male to me.

    You know I was talking to my hubby about this & I really don't want to admit it but the reason I will is for our girls, I will tell a story on myself.

    When I first started going to the gun range about 5 yrs ago or so He was teaching me about guns..shooting ect. I was handed a 9mm auto.. he wanted me learn how to load it ect. Thank God we were alone at the indoor range. I had to put the clip in the end of the pistol grip then turn a little button then I would aim & fire. Well It had a "hair trigger & I had my finger on the trigger... you should not do that until you are ready to fire.. well I scared myself to death I shot the roof of the range before I knew what happen. I looked at him he said I looked like I had seen a ghost or something. I was so scared of that gun I put it down & did not pick up another gun for 2 years. I mean it went off twice bang bang so fast so scarey. There is so much power there and you do not realize it.
    I could've killed us it would have been that easy.
    I am just saying maybe the murders did not start out to be murders maybe they were being bullied or threatened & something happened.
    I don't know.. I am just typing and thinking at the same time. LOL

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    I know ...how embarrassing ... I told you guys If it weren't for the girls I would have never divulged my sin...LOL


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    Hey Get Smart, don't be so hard on yourself about the gun. However was with you (you husband I think) if he was familiar with the gun he should have warned you it had a hair trigger. I have a .38 special and before my husband bought it for me, I enrolled in a week long gun class. (most vo-tech's have them occasionally. My gun does NOT have a safety and my husband advised me to keep one chamber empty, although, the trigger is extremely hard to pull unless the hammer is pulled back. I have always been terrified of guns and I have to admit after taking the gun class, those fears are gone. Also, some were talking about it being accidental.....well...I'm not buying that. It could have been possible to accidentally fire it once....but not 13 times!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner Fan View Post
    It could have been possible to accidentally fire it once....but not 13 times!!!!!

    I know that is the only thing that throws a monkey wrench in that theory.

    I finally did take the class & I now have my CWP. You are right I feel ok now..
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    Personally, I think PP did kill the girls. #1 why did it take so long to call 911. # 2 It always bother me that he Kept repeating over and over. "I decribed it once and I'm not going to again. (maybe he was afraid he would contradict himself? #3 I think maybe he WAS sexually abusing the girls in some way. #4 More so now than ever, there seems to be some "problems" between Vickie and Peter. This is my opinion only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner Fan View Post
    Personally, I think PP did kill the girls. #1 why did it take so long to call 911. # 2 It always bother me that he Kept repeating over and over. "I decribed it once and I'm not going to again. (maybe he was afraid he would contradict himself? #3 I think maybe he WAS sexually abusing the girls in some way. #4 More so now than ever, there seems to be some "problems" between Vickie and Peter. This is my opinion only.
    I'm only going on gut feeling here, but I dont feel like he did it, but that he may well know who did. Sexual abuse, I dont know. Maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner Fan View Post
    Personally, I think PP did kill the girls. #1 why did it take so long to call 911. # 2 It always bother me that he Kept repeating over and over. "I decribed it once and I'm not going to again. (maybe he was afraid he would contradict himself? #3 I think maybe he WAS sexually abusing the girls in some way. #4 More so now than ever, there seems to be some "problems" between Vickie and Peter. This is my opinion only.
    You know, people read things all kinds of ways, but I personally cannot see on the autopsy reports whether or not they state that the girls had EVER had sexual intercourse or not. I think it just sounds like it wasnt a part of THIS event, at the time of the killings.

    Just my own observation and I am not an autopsy specialist by no means. Is anyone else who is on our threads, on this case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frogjustfrog View Post
    You know, people read things all kinds of ways, but I personally cannot see on the autopsy reports whether or not they state that the girls had EVER had sexual intercourse or not. I think it just sounds like it wasnt a part of THIS event, at the time of the killings.

    Just my own observation and I am not an autopsy specialist by no means. Is anyone else who is on our threads, on this case?
    I sort of interpreted those reports the same way. In fact, I was wondering if they had done pregnancy tests on the girls as a routine part of the autopsy.
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    There are other sites out there frog I have had luck at this one too.
    is this the correct area? I was trying to get a different view.. But you are the map person.. I will have to trust you on that. I am not very good with maps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowDog View Post
    I sort of interpreted those reports the same way. In fact, I was wondering if they had done pregnancy tests on the girls as a routine part of the autopsy.
    Wow! That was a good question to ask. I wonder if they did! Sorry, I am a little behind here again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frogjustfrog View Post
    You know, people read things all kinds of ways, but I personally cannot see on the autopsy reports whether or not they state that the girls had EVER had sexual intercourse or not.

    I think it just sounds like it wasnt a part of THIS event, at the time of the killings.

    Just my own observation and I am not an autopsy specialist by no means. Is anyone else who is on our threads, on this case?
    Frog, I agree...not a part of the murders, only...
    where does it say T. had never had sexual intercourse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letsthink View Post
    Frog, I agree...not a part of the murders, only...
    where does it say T. had never had sexual intercourse?
    Hi Letsthink!

    In agreement with Frog, I don't see any evidence whatsoever of whether or not there was any sexual intercourse on the autopsy reports. Initially I thought the condition of the hymen would be an indicator of whether or not they engaged in intercourse, but the condition of the hymen is not always a reliable indicator of whether a woman (past puberty, mind you) has actually engaged in sexual intercourse. Regardless, it wasn't mentioned in the autopsy reports that I could find.

    The closest thing I saw was the statements "there is no traumatic injury in or around the genitalia" (...granted, that was the notation in Taylor's report. In Skyla's, it says "The external genitalia is free of traumatic injury". Not sure why the descriptions differ.). Even that, though, is not a very good indication IMO.

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