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    Quote Originally Posted by GetSmart View Post
    So true..You are probably correct. They must be up to something.. Try to flush them out or make them think they know something & they will trip themselves up. It was a lucky break for the killer(s) that it rained & the road was graded. JMO
    I have to believe that. I can't possibly imagine them resting on their laurels waiting for the magic phone call with the name of the killer(s). They want to catch this person as much as we all WANT them to.
    In loving memory of Skyla Whitaker (1997-2008) and Taylor Paschal-Placker (1995-2008).

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    Personally, I think PP did kill the girls. #1 why did it take so long to call 911. # 2 It always bother me that he Kept repeating over and over. "I decribed it once and I'm not going to again. (maybe he was afraid he would contradict himself? #3 I think maybe he WAS sexually abusing the girls in some way. #4 More so now than ever, there seems to be some "problems" between Vickie and Peter. This is my opinion only.

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    People Magazine, page 114
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    Murder On A Country Road...

    The brutal shooting deaths of tow young girls out for a stroll bring grief and fear to the quiet rural community of Weleetla, OK. by Howard Breuer



    Afew months ago 13 year-old Taylor Paschal-Placker started pressing her family for more independence, including freedom to walk the area around her home in rural Weleeka, Okla. Reluctantly her grandmother Vicky Placker, who along with Taylor's grandfather Peter had raised Taylor as their own child, agreed. "'You know, you've got to face it, I'm getting older,'" Vicky, 47 recalls Taylor saying. :So, I started to let her walk in front of the house but reminded her, 'It don't matter how old you get, Taulor, 'till the day that I die, you gonna be my baby.'"

    But on June 8 the family's worst fears came true. That Sunday afternoon Taylor and her best friend, Skyla Whitaker, 11, asked if they could walk a half mile up a dirt road to a bridge over a creek. "At first I told her no, but then I figured it would be okay because it was something they could do before Skyla's mother picked her up," says Peter, 48, a mechanic who moved the family from Oklahoma City three years ago in search of a safer environment. When the girls didn't return as quickly as expected or answer Taylor's cell phone, Peter went looking for them. He came upon their bodies in a ditch halfway to the bridge. They had each been shot multiple times-with two different guns-in the head and chest.

    Police offered no clues to a motive but did release a sketch of a potential witness who was described as an approximately 35-year-old Native American man with a long ponytail. Witnesses told police they saw him stopped in a white pickup near the scene about the time of the murders. Investigators last week said they were examining the tracks and show imprints near the spot where the girls were found. Given the remoteness of the crime scene, police have said they believe the killer or killers were locals who knew the area well.

    The senseless crime stunned the community. Taylor and Skyla were inseparable friends who attended Graham public School, where they were 2 of 10 students in a combined 5th-6th grade class. They loved to hang out in a shed turned clubhouse on the Placker property, where they painted the ceiling a Cotton-candy blend of white, blue and purple and decorated the walls with their names and those of their favorite stars Zac Efron, Vanessa Hudgens and Miley Cyrus. Joe Mosher, Taylor's great uncle, was among the hundreds of people who attended the girls' back-to-back funerals on June 13. "The hardest thing in my life," he says. "was looking into those open caskets and seeing these ended lives."

    At Skyla's funeral her sister Rosita Gordon recalled that Skyla loved her family and her 13 cats and wanted to be a veterinarian. "She loved to play in the sand. She loved scary movies. She loved her school. And she loved the rain." At Taylor's funeral the Rev. Ron King said he could celebrate the girls' lives but couldn't explain their deaths. "These were just babies. How do you make sense of this?" Peter Placker agrees. "I'm going to feel the same way whether they catch them or not," he says, teary-eyed. "But I want them caught-just so I can find out why." *

    People June 30, 2008 pg 115


    So do you think they were bored ? Do you think someone else was at the house & they felt uncomfortable..... At first he said no then said ok.. I wonder if he told the whole truth about the reason or he left something out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GetSmart View Post
    No not really & the Girl Population seems so small. I see girls being vengeful in a different manor. Beating up Or nasty remarks on web pages. Guns seem more male to me.

    You know I was talking to my hubby about this & I really don't want to admit it but the reason I will is for our girls, I will tell a story on myself.

    When I first started going to the gun range about 5 yrs ago or so He was teaching me about guns..shooting ect. I was handed a 9mm auto.. he wanted me learn how to load it ect. Thank God we were alone at the indoor range. I had to put the clip in the end of the pistol grip then turn a little button then I would aim & fire. Well It had a "hair trigger & I had my finger on the trigger... you should not do that until you are ready to fire.. well I scared myself to death I shot the roof of the range before I knew what happen. I looked at him he said I looked like I had seen a ghost or something. I was so scared of that gun I put it down & did not pick up another gun for 2 years. I mean it went off twice bang bang so fast so scarey. There is so much power there and you do not realize it.
    I could've killed us it would have been that easy.
    I am just saying maybe the murders did not start out to be murders maybe they were being bullied or threatened & something happened.
    I don't know.. I am just typing and thinking at the same time. LOL

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    I know ...how embarrassing ... I told you guys If it weren't for the girls I would have never divulged my sin...LOL


    Ha Ha Keyboard & Frog .... GS with Guns..... GS with Guns...
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    I thought of a new possibility. Say teenagers were in the brush shooting at different objects, the girls unknowingly stepped into their line of fire, the teenagers couldn't see them and kept shooting their guns. When they realized they'd shot the girls several times and saw that they were seriously injured, they decided to make sure they were dead so they couldn't talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GetSmart View Post
    I know ...how embarrassing ... I told you guys If it weren't for the girls I would have never divulged my sin...LOL


    Ha Ha Keyboard & Frog .... GS with Guns..... GS with Guns...
    You know GS, I just might have to write a parody to that song and change the lyrics to GS with Guns... Thanks for the idea!

    LOL thanks for making me laugh today, I sure need it.
    In loving memory of Skyla Whitaker (1997-2008) and Taylor Paschal-Placker (1995-2008).

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    Does GS stand for gunslinger?
    YellowDog

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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowDog View Post
    I thought of a new possibility. Say teenagers were in the brush shooting at different objects, the girls unknowingly stepped into their line of fire, the teenagers couldn't see them and kept shooting their guns. When they realized they'd shot the girls several times and saw that they were seriously injured, they decided to make sure they were dead so they couldn't talk.
    Yet another possibility to add to the huge bubbling cauldron of possible scenarios. Thanks for your unique perspective YD, you've mentioned some ideas I hadn't thought of before.
    In loving memory of Skyla Whitaker (1997-2008) and Taylor Paschal-Placker (1995-2008).

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    Well, I could visualize teenagers with an automatic just emptying the gun........bang, bang, bang, etc. in the wooded area beside the road with no particular aim, then discovering what they'd done. Panic sets in. They use the second gun to finish things to ensure the girls wouldn't be able to talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyboardPlayer View Post
    If it indeed were "accidental murder", I would call it involuntary or voluntary manslaughter. But in my opinion, 13 shots just doesn't seem accidental.

    Believe me, you're not alone, GS... I have so many possibilities and thoughts running around my head about this it's crazy (or maybe I'm crazy, I don't know lol)
    I've been reading and trying to catch up. Trying to respond to postings but before I can post suddenly it takes me back to a page before this one. Strange. Lets try again.

    Remember, these are just feelings that run through my head, like "what ifs."

    In Memory of Skyla and Taylor, BFF.
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    As we take this journey together, may we all find peace at the end of the day.

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    snipped from keyboard player~ If it indeed were "accidental murder", I would call it involuntary or voluntary manslaughter. But in my opinion, 13 shots just doesn't seem accidental.


    What if it started out as just a threat. And turned into more. I keep thinking about that hair trigger that GS was talking about. what if it was a threat, the gun went off, and the shooter(s) had to make a split second decision to make it look like something else happened? Maybe that is why nothing makes any sense! It COULD happen. As absurb as some things seem, we HAVE to stay open to all possiblilites!
    Remember, this is just a "WHAT IF"

    In Memory of Skyla and Taylor, BFF.
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    YD They say the truth is stranger than fiction at times.... I mean if it was something like that then what would a kid do?? I know They would panic.. Hells Bells I did when I shot the roof. It was an awful feeling. I was raised around guns.. my daddy taught me safety.. respect.. and I am a pretty good shot if I say so myself. That was just pure carelessness on my part no other excuse.

    But why would they be firing so close to the road? I don't know I could see some hot headed person trying to scare them & bang bang off went the gun... and to cover up they staged it. But it coukd not be a more than 2 because that is a big secret.

    Maybe someone came over like I said & made them feel weird Or made a pass at them & they called PP & Vicky that is why they headed on home. Maybe they let them go for a walk to get away from someone that came by there to to see PP or Vicky....................................
    "This isn't who they are. It is only what happened to them."
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    Quote Originally Posted by GetSmart View Post
    Good point Keyboard
    Have you ever seen the TV show 7 days... I wish I could that !!

    It just seems that there has to be a way of solving this. Do you really think they gave ALL the family members in the area a poly? Can they make people on the block so to speak take a poly?
    Seems we all tend to rely on believing they passed polygraphs. Do we know this for sure? Was the needle jumping and it was excused as being very upsetting and the people are distraught therefore they cannot get a polygraph reading that they feel proves them innocent. By the way, I know OSBI has said certain family has been cleared, but they say alot of things to lead us to believe what they want us to believe. If they had been cleared, they wouldnt keep being brought in for questioning. I have a reliable source who knows people at the courthouse in Okemah who knows this is happening. And we know by TV shows that they never question family just a little, give them a polygraph, and then dismiss them as cleared. Poo!

    In Memory of Skyla and Taylor, BFF.
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    There are so many possibilities. I was just trying to think of anything accidental that might have happened to throw a new light on the case.
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