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    Quote Originally Posted by frogjustfrog View Post
    It's too dense through there to even walk through. There are vines and stuff.......... its just a totally tangled web through there. I am not sure how it is further in there, if there is a clearing or anything, but surely someone would know if they were shooting towards or away from the road.
    Again, this was just the feeling I got. I put a pic on tinypics to show the denseness of the woods. I put the link to tinypics on the pictures thread, right after where TG posted a few of the pics. If you open them with microsoft office picture manager, you can see VERY close up. I am sure you can download them from that site if you need to.
    Anyway.... anything is a possibility, but I just could not see that happening. I was looking for that possibility myself. That is why I took the picture.
    Well, you definitely know the area. I do not. The poor visibility, however, was exactly what I was thinking when I said accidentally shooting the girls because they could not see them. Of course, they've probably looked all over that area for bullets on the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowDog View Post
    Hi Get Smart:
    Don't you think these symptoms apply to much younger children for the most part? These girls were at the age where they were starting to know more about sexuality and things of this nature.
    It would be nice if after an abused child reached a certain age that things would improve in their lives but I know from personal experience it only continues and when any secret is stored within someone that is deeply hurtful and wrong it also will show in the abused child's daily lives. Red flags are there even though they may be ignored.

    I see no traits or that they even partially match the profile of children who were abused.

    In fact imo these child seemed to have been raised very well and had had no sexual encounters at all with anyone it seems from what we have read including the autopsy report.

    And to me it showed. They loved school, they were very active in school, they made great grades and it seems that whatever endeavor they wanted to participate in was met with support by their family members. They also seemed to enjoy their home life with their families, wide open spaces and lots of pets.

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    I was also thinking about the purse Taylor was carrying. Do you think the girls could have started smoking and they were carrying cigarettes and matches in there and stepped into the brush to have a smoke?
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    I am going to go to a couple of websites & see if I can get a good arial of the location.... be back kids
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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowDog View Post
    Well, you definitely know the area. I do not. The poor visibility, however, was exactly what I was thinking when I said accidentally shooting the girls because they could not see them. Of course, they've probably looked all over that area for bullets on the ground.
    You can get a pretty good visualization yourself by going to mapquest, Bryant, OK... going west on E1120 Rd....Then south on County line Road..... zoom in on level 13 and go to aerial view. The forestry is thick all around there. Then go to my pictures and see how thick. You can see it in several of the pictures.

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    GS, you pistol-packing mama! Lol! I'm glad you told us that. When my husband takes a gun out, I just about freak out. I'm good with my hands and feet, but guns scare me!

    As far as simple theories, I'm still with the two teens/early twenties. Motive- some kind of payback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    It would be nice if after an abused child reached a certain age that things would improve in their lives but I know from personal experience it only continues and when any secret is stored within someone that is deeply hurtful and wrong it also will show in the abused child's daily lives. Red flags are there even though they may be ignored.

    I see no traits or that they even partially match the profile of children who were abused.

    In fact imo these child seemed to have been raised very well and had had no sexual encounters at all with anyone it seems from what we have read including the autopsy report.

    And to me it showed. They loved school, they were very active in school, they made great grades and it seems that whatever endeavor they wanted to participate in was met with support by their family members. They also seemed to enjoy their home life with their families, wide open spaces and lots of pets.

    JMO though.
    We were just exploring possible new theories. You are probably right. If, however, there was abuse and it was only recent, they might not have exhibited these traits before this summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner Fan View Post
    Personally, I think PP did kill the girls. #1 why did it take so long to call 911. # 2 It always bother me that he Kept repeating over and over. "I decribed it once and I'm not going to again. (maybe he was afraid he would contradict himself? #3 I think maybe he WAS sexually abusing the girls in some way. #4 More so now than ever, there seems to be some "problems" between Vickie and Peter. This is my opinion only.
    You know, people read things all kinds of ways, but I personally cannot see on the autopsy reports whether or not they state that the girls had EVER had sexual intercourse or not. I think it just sounds like it wasnt a part of THIS event, at the time of the killings.

    Just my own observation and I am not an autopsy specialist by no means. Is anyone else who is on our threads, on this case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frogjustfrog View Post
    You know, people read things all kinds of ways, but I personally cannot see on the autopsy reports whether or not they state that the girls had EVER had sexual intercourse or not. I think it just sounds like it wasnt a part of THIS event, at the time of the killings.

    Just my own observation and I am not an autopsy specialist by no means. Is anyone else who is on our threads, on this case?
    I sort of interpreted those reports the same way. In fact, I was wondering if they had done pregnancy tests on the girls as a routine part of the autopsy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowDog View Post
    I thought of a new possibility. Say teenagers were in the brush shooting at different objects, the girls unknowingly stepped into their line of fire, the teenagers couldn't see them and kept shooting their guns. When they realized they'd shot the girls several times and saw that they were seriously injured, they decided to make sure they were dead so they couldn't talk.
    Hello All~
    I love that we are all brain storming w/ scenarios as to what happened. But, I have to remind everyone that there was a "groin" shot to one of the girls. I think it was Taylor. Usually, a shot of this nature is done postmortem. However, due to the quick time line of this crime, we may not ever know whether the groin shot was postmortem or not. To me the groin shot is very telling as to the nature / personalities of the monsters that ended the lives of Taylor and Skyla. I do not believe these girls were killed accidentally. I think they were killed by some one in cold blood, it was deliberate and it was overkill. Again, this is just my opinion.


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    There are other sites out there frog I have had luck at this one too.
    is this the correct area? I was trying to get a different view.. But you are the map person.. I will have to trust you on that. I am not very good with maps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruflossn View Post
    Hello All~
    I love that we are all brain storming w/ scenarios as to what happened. But, I have to remind everyone that there was a "groin" shot to one of the girls. I think it was Taylor. Usually, a shot of this nature is done postmortem. However, due to the quick time line of this crime, we may not ever know whether the groin shot was postmortem or not. To me the groin shot is very telling as to the nature / personalities of the monsters that ended the lives of Taylor and Skyla. I do not believe these girls were killed accidentally. I think they were killed by some one in cold blood, it was deliberate and it was overkill. Again, this is just my opinion.

    Hi Ruflossn:
    Well, we really are just brain storming with different scenarios.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GetSmart View Post
    There are other sites out there frog I have had luck at this one too.
    is this the correct area? I was trying to get a different view.. But you are the map person.. I will have to trust you on that. I am not very good with maps.
    http://terraserver-usa.com/image.asp...t|WELEETKA|ok|
    uh yes,,,, I guess you could use that map, but I dont like it cuz I cant grasp and pull it where I want to. you have to click and wait on that one, and I lose track of where I was previously. I prefer mapquest unless you can make this one work better.

    Hey, I think someone is trying to hack me. I keep getting pings and spyware or adware trying to invade my computer. Also trying to change my registry. Its not letting it in, but it's trying! Is anyone else having this problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruflossn View Post
    Hello All~
    I love that we are all brain storming w/ scenarios as to what happened. But, I have to remind everyone that there was a "groin" shot to one of the girls. I think it was Taylor. Usually, a shot of this nature is done postmortem. However, due to the quick time line of this crime, we may not ever know whether the groin shot was postmortem or not. To me the groin shot is very telling as to the nature / personalities of the monsters that ended the lives of Taylor and Skyla. I do not believe these girls were killed accidentally. I think they were killed by some one in cold blood, it was deliberate and it was overkill. Again, this is just my opinion.
    Hi Ruf!

    I can understand why you think that but to me I see this as more of a
    frenzy type killing not an overkill. Some of the shots fired would not have been life threatening and seemed to happen haphazardly probably due to the movement of the girls for that short time. To me it was chaotic disorganized murders.

    Now if all 12-13 shots were fired into life threatening areas like the head and chest...I would definitely say it looked like an overkill.

    I actually think the groin shot to Taylor was the first one fired. Imo whomever these killers are they wanted to control Taylor first. She may have stepped forward toward the vehicle.

    I am still leaning more to some type of interaction with teenage boys and this erupted out of no where. I do think it was two shooters. One firing the higher .40 caliber and the other one maybe carrying a .22 pistol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GetSmart View Post
    I am going to go to a couple of websites & see if I can get a good arial of the location.... be back kids
    I'm sorry GS. I just cannot use that map. Mapquest is the best I have found. you can grab the page and move it instantly without having to click, wait for it to load, then get lost. I am a big map person and that one you sent absolutely confuses me!
    I tried!

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