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    Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #10

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    QUOTE=SeriouslySearching;2333646]While I am just catching up here, I am delighted that Kahskye contacted a reporter that is willing to communicate! Great job and you are getting some good info! (Thanks, Christine for the prodding~!)

    We still do not have a motive or the POS (Sorry...I meant POI) yet, but since they are taking this nationwide (which by the way means across OUR country)...I am hopeful other agencies might have more input. I still believe the POI is from OK according to his truck...but it doesn't mean he hasn't gone somewhere else to hide.

    I watched Peter on Greta last night and I had to tip my hat to him a couple of times. Whoever mentioned the things he said were few, but profound was right. He even stopped Greta in her tracks a couple of times for talking in generalities. I do feel so sorry for him and the family. I don't suspect the parents (they have earned this title imho). Taylor would be proud that he has been willing to speak out on television at all and hold his own with the likes of Greta. (It reminds me of Mark Lunsford. Not much education, but a lot of truth and common sense who says what they mean.)[/QUOTE]

    Exactly! You read my mind. I thought of Mark Lunsford instantly. Peter like Mark is not a polished man or a learned man but a wise man with a heart that weeps for the loss of his child and her little friend.

    It had to be scary for him last night as Greta was barking in his ear and trying to lead him. It would have been much better if she was there face to face with him, like the area reporter that did the other interview.

    I hope and pray that both of these families remain strong in their faith and continue to believe this case will be solved. Imo at their time of overwhelming grief this is all the hope they have left that sustains them to make it another day.

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    People in Oklahoma are just as he described...we will be there to support the families. The people in the community that never knew the family before will make it their goal to help them and not just for the moment. He has lifelong friends from strangers. We have a good heart and a long lasting memory.

    Maybe this is why some of you don't understand my "passion" on cases. I am from Oklahoma. We truly care about other people. It could be in our genes or it could be the way we are raised...but it is there. We don't normally have to apologize for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    People in Oklahoma are just as he described...we will be there to support the families. The people in the community that never knew the family before will make it their goal to help them and not just for the moment. He has lifelong friends from strangers. We have a good heart and a long lasting memory.

    Maybe this is why some of you don't understand my "passion" on cases. I am from Oklahoma. We truly care about other people. It could be in our genes or it could be the way we are raised...but it is there. We don't normally have to apologize for it.
    Well Seriously Searching, maybe it just that you are a very sweet caring person too and thats why you care so much !! And the Oklahoma stuff just adds to it and makes you that much more special !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    People in Oklahoma are just as he described...we will be there to support the families. The people in the community that never knew the family before will make it their goal to help them and not just for the moment. He has lifelong friends from strangers. We have a good heart and a long lasting memory.

    Maybe this is why some of you don't understand my "passion" on cases. I am from Oklahoma. We truly care about other people. It could be in our genes or it could be the way we are raised...but it is there. We don't normally have to apologize for it.
    O/T remark.......would you call my friend in McLoud and tell her that, she hasn't gotten that info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    People in Oklahoma are just as he described...we will be there to support the families. The people in the community that never knew the family before will make it their goal to help them and not just for the moment. He has lifelong friends from strangers. We have a good heart and a long lasting memory.

    Maybe this is why some of you don't understand my "passion" on cases. I am from Oklahoma. We truly care about other people. It could be in our genes or it could be the way we are raised...but it is there. We don't normally have to apologize for it.

    I too am from Oklahoma. Although I have not lived there for many years, I still consider it "my home". My husband never understood my passion for it until he visited OKC with me in May. He was blown away by the general camaraderie that exists between "Okies". While I no longer live in Okla. my heart will forever be there. I ache for the families of these little girls. Please let the murderer be found soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruflossn View Post
    I too am from Oklahoma. Although I have not lived there for many years, I still consider it "my home". My husband never understood my passion for it until he visited OKC with me in May. He was blown away by the general camaraderie that exists between "Okies". While I no longer live in Okla. my heart will forever be there. I ache for the families of these little girls. Please let the murderer be found soon.
    We do have this "heart" that makes us different. We were raised to deeply care. Sounds broad, but it isn't. I don't know how to explain it to other people across the country that have not experienced it...but I would say we are all raised with this sense of family/community/state. We are in this together no matter what. The same as the family unit. We are always cognizant of each other and treat them as "family".

    I am delighted you are an Okie, too.
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    I saw and was impressed by the love and compassion Oklahomians showed during that home grown terrorist bombing--- the Murrah Federal building /Timothy McVeigh.

    I will never forget the reaction of the entire town-- pictures of broken hearted firemen bringing out children from the wreakage.... just heart wrenching !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    We do have this "heart" that makes us different. We were raised to deeply care. Sounds broad, but it isn't. I don't know how to explain it to other people across the country that have not experienced it...but I would say we are all raised with this sense of family/community/state. We are in this together no matter what. The same as the family unit. We are always cognizant of each other and treat them as "family".

    I am delighted you are an Okie, too.
    While I'm sure you speak on behalf of many Oklahomans - you cannot speak in such sweeping generalities. There are bad guys in Oklahoma - just like everywhere else. It appears that one of those bad guys brutally executed these girls on a country road in broad daylight. That cannnot be glossed over. OTOH, I do not believe - for one second - that someone in that area who may know what happened will remain silent indefinitely. If someone knows something, they will come forward. I hope and pray...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairy1 View Post
    While I'm sure you speak on behalf of many Oklahomans - you cannot speak in such sweeping generalities. There are bad guys in Oklahoma - just like everywhere else. It appears that one of those bad guys brutally executed these girls on a country road in broad daylight. That cannnot be glossed over. OTOH, I do not believe - for one second - that someone in that area who may know what happened will remain silent indefinitely. If someone knows something, they will come forward. I hope and pray...
    Oklahoma is a great state, but there are other states with people who have the same affection for their state. The general problem is the neighborly atmosphere in the US has drastically changed in the last 50 years, and I don't see things getting back to "the way we were." Bad guys (and girls) have found their way to every township, county, city, and state - even the small town of Weleetka.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trino View Post
    Oklahoma is a great state, but there are other states with people who have the same affection for their state. The general problem is the neighborly atmosphere in the US has drastically changed in the last 50 years, and I don't see things getting back to "the way we were." Bad guys (and girls) have found their way to every township, county, city, and state - even the small town of Weleetka.
    I agree. There are good people and bad people in every state. I have lived in several states and in all of them I have found people who would give you the coat off their back and others who would steal it from you.
    I don't think it is in the genes, but it has a lot to do with the way people are raised, and as you say it is changing. People are so involved in their work and have so many things that they are involved with in their homes such as hundreds of TV channels and computers that they spend hours on, many do not have the same contact with their neighbors as in years past. But when something bad happens, people come together from all over, not just Oklahoma, to help. Many people on these boards go into the cases with a passion, especially when a child is involved so we have no trouble understanding the passion of someone from Oklahoma. I know a lot of wonderful people from Oklahoma. But reading the crime stats of the state, I know they have their share of criminals too. We usually love the place we grew up and will always have special feelings remembering the love of our family and friends as we grew up. But to think it is inclusive to only one state is very condescending.

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    6-28 – Tulsa World - Description sparks race debate

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    The Society to Preserve Indigenous Rights and Indigenous Traditions, or SPIRIT, issued a press release Wednesday objecting to the generic nature of a recently released police sketch of an American Indian man as a "person of interest" in the ongoing investigation of the Weleetka child-murders.

    "That picture could be probably 10,000 Indian men in Oklahoma — my brother, my cousin, my friend. I look at it, and if they pulled back their hair in a ponytail — there you go," said Brenda Golden, a spokeswoman for the organization.

    But Jessica Brown, spokeswoman for the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, said the sketch isn't generic. She cited specific information, such as the man's height of 6 feet and hair length, which is down his back in a ponytail. "What do you want — a tattoo on his forehead?" Brown asked.

    She said the forensic artist who made the sketch has 30 years of experience. She said not releasing the sketch would have been criticized and that the man is not a suspect.

    Golden also cited a high-profile 1994 incident in which Susan Smith of South Carolina was convicted of drowning her two young sons. She told authorities that she was carjacked by a black man, who drove off with the boys. "She actually went as far as to work with the police officers to make a drawing," Golden said.

    Willingham said people questioned at crime scenes are either giving descriptions based on what they perceive to be true or are giving false information to shift blame from themselves. He said officers go with the best information available. "It's up to the individual's perception," Willingham said. "We can't discount a witness because we're not sure if what they're saying is true."

    Pleas Thompson, president of the Tulsa Chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said criminals blame minorities as easy targets. "I think, especially a person who committed a crime thinks they might point the suspicion away from them if (the perception is) that a black or Indian is more likely to do something like this than a Caucasian," he said.

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    I am not surprised it has now turned into a race issue.

    What do they expect LE to do? If the POI happens to be black, American Indian or some other minority, they can't put the sketch out depicting their possible race for fear they would be called racist?

    A witness or POI is what they are. If they are white,black, blue or green then the composite should depict that.

    I also saw another sketch done by this artist and it was of a black man, did they cry racist when that one was put out? When they found this murderer and arrested him ......well.......yes he was a black man.

    OSBI must go by what the witnesses tell them. To not do so would be a derelict of duties. They are not there to be PC but to try and solve crimes including all races.

    Just because Susan Smith and a few other murderers put out false composites doesn't mean this person did who is not even a family member or connected to this case per Brown. I highly doubt that the person who gave the composite is the killer like the Susan Smiths of the world since several others also stated they saw this same man that day on that road.

    It strange though we never seem to hear this rift when we see composite saying the POI is white.
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    What does it mean exactly that the case is going "national?" Does that just mean the OSBI will work with other states more to get the info out there?

    Also, I looked at the AMW website to see if anything would be on their show tonight. From the episode guide for tonight, it doesn't look that way, but maybe they will have it on.

    It is listed for the 6-14 episode guide from 2 weeks ago.

    America’s Most Wanted – TV Schedule

    6-28 Episode
    http://www.amw.com/show_archive/tv_detail.cfm?currentDate=2008-06-28&action=next

    6-14 Epidsode
    http://www.amw.com/show_archive/tv_detail.cfm?currentDate=2008-06-14&action=previous

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