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    And why would they target someone is his family when they could easily take out one of Joe Placker's children or grandchildren.

    Skyla also has a brother that is soon going to be sentenced for 2nd Degree Murder (July 29 th, iirc).


    IMO, this was a "personal" message to someone in the family of either the Plackers or the Whitakers. It could have been to both?? We don't know yet the connections of all, even with the (GREAT) help of MissHolmes and her family trees. Miss one lineage (which is possible since we don't know who the mother/father of Taylor is or even if Skyla is in fact the daughter of ??. Sorry, I have much information about Taylor but very little about Skyla because so much emphasis has been placed on the Placker family.

    IMO, too late for a vendetta because Skyla's brother is going to be sentenced no matter what. He is still in jail, right?

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    For the past few days I've read and reread the threads about this case. For some reason I don't get the feeling the girls were murdered for revenge. I think they were murdered so they'd be quiet.
    I am greatly disappointed that an arrest hasn't been made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littledeer View Post


    IMO, this was a "personal" message to someone in the family of either the Plackers or the Whitakers. It could have been to both?? We don't know yet the connections of all, even with the (GREAT) help of MissHolmes and her family trees. Miss one lineage (which is possible since we don't know who the mother/father of Taylor is or even if Skyla is in fact the daughter of ??. Sorry, I have much information about Taylor but very little about Skyla because so much emphasis has been placed on the Placker family.

    IMO, too late for a vendetta because Skyla's brother is going to be sentenced no matter what. He is still in jail, right?
    I would think he is still in jail awaiting sentencing on the 29th.

    The trial against Graham, one of the main co-defendants, Gordon is supposed to testify against him, I believe is to commence around July 14th.

    It may be personal, none of us really knows but I don't see it as a personal crime. Imo it was very cold, methodical, calculating and devoid of any feelings. Sounds more like someone with psychopathic traits imo.

    I just read an article on here where a man was stabbed over 190 times and it turned out not to be anyone known to him or the other man that was also murdered but was done because of a burglary. So what I am saying even a stranger can be ruthless and mean as heck and can fly into a fiendish rage even if they don't know the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philamena View Post
    For the past few days I've read and reread the threads about this case. For some reason I don't get the feeling the girls were murdered for revenge. I think they were murdered so they'd be quiet.
    I am greatly disappointed that an arrest hasn't been made.
    You and I both!! I can't believe there hasn't been ANY movement in this case that we have heard of. It is beyond me what is really going on with LE and the OSBI! They need to hold a presser and explain themselves. (I wonder if anything will be on AMW tonight?! They have let us down so much until now...I rather doubt it...but I am going to watch anyway.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    I find this equally as frightening for all the genuine and decent motorcycle riders that do charitable things out of the goodness of their hearts and only want to ride and enjoy the freedom of the road showing off their magnificent bikes. It is a scary thought if one of these thugs started hanging around them and they would have no clue why but thought it was just because they enjoyed riding their bikes too.

    But what I cant wrap my mind around in this case is even though Pete had brothers, nephews that were unsavory characters there is nothing supporting that Pete was the same. As far as I know he doesn't even have a criminal record at all.

    And why would they target someone is his family when they could easily take out one of Joe Placker's children or grandchildren
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    Skyla also has a brother that is soon going to be sentenced for 2nd Degree Murder (July 29 th, iirc).

    To me the Plackers never seemed to be in hiding in Weleetka.
    Pete works as a mechanic, Vicky works at McD and Taylor was no longer home schooled but had gone to public school since they moved there several years ago and was very active in different programs. Iirc, they even have their phone number listed in the phone book and over 500 people showed up at the funerals so I think most likely both families were well known in their communities.

    Now did this "gang" come to him trying to put pressure on him to sell drugs or make meth for them and he refused?

    imoo
    Maybe the fact that they were EASY to find made them a better target??

    I have been around and around on the motive for this and WHO could have done it the way it was done and I just keep coming back to someone was watching the Plackers and Taylor and Skyla walked out of the house ALONE and UNSUPERVISED on a Sunday afternoon (when most people are off work) and became the target for someone (even a hired/payback killer) who had a score to settle with SOMEONE/ANYONE associated with the Placker family. (and I think it was the Plackers, not the Whitakers).

    People (especially druggies) who are PO about the kids "seeing something" do not come prepared to pull off a bloody, brutal murder of KIDS in broad daylight on a busy road - much less get away clean and stay out of sight for a month. They also don't stand around in the road next to their truck (with two dead girls 10' away) for a while so everyone passing can get a real good look at them.

    It's the coldness and the calmness of the POI combined with the facts we know that make me believe he did it and he went to do it. And say what you like about organized and unorganized killers, this guy obviously has no fear of anyone or anything - and was not acting like he'd just gunned down two girls while they looked at him - shot them in THE FACE no less. Some tweaked out meth head would have been FREAKING, as would a teenager, and what "thrill killer" sits on a county road 300 feet from a house in broad daylight on a Sunday afternoon with TWO GUNS and patiently waits (for hours) for someone to walk by??

    I think this excuse for a human being sat (or drove up and down) on the road that intersects County Line Road (the one just past the Placker home) watching the Placker house (or watching from the woods in that area). I think he SAW Skyla and Taylor walk out of the house and head toward the bridge. I think he waited for cars to get by so no-one was on County Line Road and then drove his truck around - and he killed the girls where they happened to be (walking toward him) at the time he had an unobserved moment. I think this is why OSBI spent so much time doing ground and air mapping of the AREA - thinking this guy was waiting somewhere. The POS may have tried this before and never managed to get to one of the Plackers alone or without someone driving by at the wrong time, or too many people using the bridge area, etc. I think he was patient and he went to KILL.

    I think the tire tracks were like he turned around because he had to move the truck around to HIDE the view of the bodies until he could leave the area ..because he saw/heard cars coming. I think the truck was stolen and the guns were untracable and there was no DNA or fingerprints on the shell casings and he was NOT from the area. I think he was prepared and calm and cool and careful. And I am glad no-one stopped and got out of their car to "help" (or walked by on foot) him because I think he would have killed them too. And I also think the sketch is so accurate because someone DID stop and talk to him either at the crime scene or where he was hanging out nearby before the murders - a "do ya need help" conversation thru their car window. And the POI never lost his cool, people saw him, they LOOKED at him, he may even have talked to one of them and yet he didn't draw any attention to himself, didn't run away, didn't panic. HE had to think SOMEONE might be calling LE - yet he didn't "run" or act nervous or guilty. He got away clean - just like I think he planned it. Within the hour this guy was in a different vehicle, wearing different clothes, and either looked totally different OR was driving a sedate 55 on the way to his safe place.

    Transient or fixed location Serial Killers usually kill one victim at a time and there is some signature or a "personal statement" - and we have no other murders matching this one and they usually want PRIVACY to do their killing. SK's want access to victims - a selection sort of - some do target specific victims but don't usually hang out in random rural areas hoping someone comes walking along alone and strikes their fancy. They usually have a "type" they are stalking - little girls, little boys, women with long hair, hookers, teenage boys...etc Why on earth would a SK sit on County Line Road in full view and wait for a potential victim to walk by? And this doesn't appear to be sexual in the least - he didn't want sex, he didn't want to kidnap or "keep" them, he didn't want to "enjoy" them, hide them away, he didn't want to confront the family in their house..in PRIVATE. This sure seems to me like the killer had a "mission" - to make someone who would mean something to the targeted "enemy" DEAD - and the whole thing was carefully planned in advance to give the killer the best chance of getting away clean and easy....this is obviously not a run-of-the-mill stupid, hot-headed, stoned criminal.

    I am open to other ideas, if people have a different idea I'd love to hear how you think it went down and why - but I have run endless variations and this one just keeps turning up as the most logical again and again.

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    I have thought for a long time that this was a calling card. Amessage to LE to backoff in some type of investigation they were doing or there would be more innocent blood shed.

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    Again, not one single word on AMW! No sketch. No mention of the girls! I am not going to watch that show anymore. It has turned into a piece of carp as far as I am concerned. Most of tonite's show went on and on about a case that was solved and went to trial already. While I am sure it was difficult on the girl that was raped in that case, the show is supposed to be about bringing people to justice and finding them is the most important part of that! I am just steamed at John Walsh and that whole organization at this point!! GRRRR!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    Again, not one single word on AMW! No sketch. No mention of the girls! I am not going to watch that show anymore. It has turned into a piece of carp as far as I am concerned. Most of tonite's show went on and on about a case that was solved and went to trial already. While I am sure it was difficult on the girl that was raped in that case, the show is supposed to be about bringing people to justice and finding them is the most important part of that! I am just steamed at John Walsh and that whole organization at this point!! GRRRR!
    I quit even watching as John has just become a showman! So much they even post on their site is either old news, or inaccurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom'sGirl View Post
    I quit even watching as John has just become a showman! So much they even post on their site is either old news, or inaccurate.
    Yes, I have noticed the inaccuracies and how things are never up-to-date on that front either. Sad. They used to be on the ball. What happened?! I guess the show went "Hollywood".
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    You and I both!! I can't believe there hasn't been ANY movement in this case that we have heard of. It is beyond me what is really going on with LE and the OSBI! They need to hold a presser and explain themselves. (I wonder if anything will be on AMW tonight?! They have let us down so much until now...I rather doubt it...but I am going to watch anyway.)
    SeriouslySearching,
    It's nuts isn't it? The crime happened in such a small community that I felt sure an arrest would be made quickly. Maybe forensics are being completed.

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    You got that right FlowerGirl.
    People (especially druggies) who are PO about the kids "seeing something" do not come prepared to pull off a bloody, brutal murder of KIDS in broad daylight on a busy road - much less get away clean and stay out of sight for a month. They also don't stand around in the road next to their truck (with two dead girls 10' away) for a while so everyone passing can get a real good look at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beyond Belief View Post
    I have thought for a long time that this was a calling card. A message to LE to backoff in some type of investigation they were doing or there would be more innocent blood shed.
    Now that is an avenue I had not explored. Interesting!
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    I wonder if the murderer hung around to watch the girls die because he is a sadist. I heard this on a fictional television show last night, but early on the psychologist on Nancy Grace suggested that the act of killing in this way could be sexual for the murderer even if the girls were not molested or raped by this monster.

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    FlowerChild once again I have to agree with you.
    Also Druggies are tweaking not calm enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GetSmart View Post
    FlowerChild once again I have to agree with you.
    Also Druggies are tweaking not calm enough.
    Drug runners are not druggies. Many don't even use. I think drug runners ARE calm enough, and if the killings centered on drug sales, this was not a small time operation.

    My theories change daily as I sort through the info. This could very well have been a revenge killing. If so, no one is talking nor do I think they will. $40,000 hasn't gotten any info.

    I think many people are coming to the conclusion that OSBI was incorrect when they stated the killer(s) was local. If he shot them w/o as much as touching them, there would likely be no DNA. Cold case?

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    Drug runners do come prepared to take down anyone they may feel is in their way so to speak of completing their work. For a long while I have thought the girls saw something they shouldn't have somewhere on their walk. But now I am not sure of anything. I had really hoped with the round up of all the people with outstanding warrants a couple of weeks ago they would have hit upon someone willing to talk. I guess not. Also the $40,000 is a lot of money..but if these are organized drug runners no one will deem it worth their life. This case has gone cold very quickly.

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    I just had an idea.. The various names we came up with in the beginning..go back over & see if any arrest have been made lately.

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    I find your ideas, FlowerChild, very reasonable.

    However I am not so sure what happened here or why it happened. I don't know if anyone was watching the Plackers for it seems the neighbors in the area are quite astute and I think that would have been noticed maybe even by the Plackers themselves as this is the access road to get in and out. I do feel they were targeted but I am not sure if it wasn't a spontaneous combustion where the killer saw two young girls vulnerable and alone making them easy targets. I don't know if there may have been something said between the girls and the shooter before he even got to this point. It does bother me though that we see everyday that really no one even has to have a motive to kill another person other than sudden rage and a desire to want to.

    We really aren't privy to what LE means when they say "local" imo. They may consider him local if they think he is in one of the surrounding counties as well and thinks he would have knowledge of that road and may have traveled it in the past.

    I am not ready to discount anything. From what we have learned of the Whitaker family they too have serious offenses in their family and there may be more out there on their family members that we are unaware of at this time. And the person who committed murder was not an extended member of Skyla's family but her own sibling. So at this time the possibility for me it could be a target message to the Whitakers or the Plackers or neither one of them.

    What I do not believe though is if either family knew of anyone at all that would do such a horrible cruel thing to theses girls, that they would remain silent about it. It has been said that Peter Placker took a polygraph test and passed and one of the first questions an examiner ask the person is "do you know of anyone who would kill the girls". If he was holding back anything his blood pressure would immediately elevate and throw up a red flag.

    It may be a targeted hit against one of the families but I believe neither family has a clue why anyone would do this to these girls. I think just like us, they languish in sorrow wanting to know who,why and how could someone do this, just like we all do.

    It is much better mentally on the public as a whole, I guess to think their deaths were specifically tied to them only in someway but that is not the case every time. Sometimes evil just lurks and explodes in very unsuspecting tranquil places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beyond Belief View Post
    I have thought for a long time that this was a calling card. Amessage to LE to backoff in some type of investigation they were doing or there would be more innocent blood shed.
    Wow, now that is a new theory that is very interesting indeed.

    Isn't OSBI supposed to be coming down really hard on these meth dealers?

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    Until they pulled the funding late last year, yes...they were.
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    McIntire was once skeptical that Mexican traffickers were pumping far more meth into Oklahoma than local cooks. He has become a believer.

    "There are hundreds of pounds of methamphetamine moved through small towns all over our area," he said. "And until recently, we had no idea that these people even existed."

    Penetrating Mexican drug cartels is by no means simple, police are finding.

    http://banderasnews.com/0509/hb-methlabs.htm
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    90 held in DEA raids on gangs

    Thursday, October 11, 2007

    U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration agents have arrested 90 persons in raids on suspected violent street gangs in Oklahoma that purportedly distributed methamphetamine, cocaine, crack cocaine and marijuana at the Creek Indian gaming facilities and adjacent Indian lands.

    James L. Capra, special agent in charge of the DEA's Dallas field division, said members of the agency's Mobile Enforcement Team (MET) seized more than 725 grams of methamphetamine, 345 grams of cocaine powder, 500 grams of crack cocaine, and 255 grams of marijuana in the probe, along with six weapons.

    Mr. Capra said targets of the federal probe included leaders of "extremely dangerous and violent organizations" planted in east-central Oklahoma by a street gang in Muskogee known as the 107 Hoover Crips, which has been tied to numerous homicides in the area. He said the Crips and the Bloods in Okmulgee County were also targets of the investigation.

    ~snip~

    Mr. Capra said 90 persons have been charged and others will be charged as a result of the investigation. He said many of those charged were arrested Tuesday morning in and around Muskogee, Okmulgee and Tulsa, Okla.

    http://washingtontimes.com/news/2007...aids-on-gangs/
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    Quote Originally Posted by txsvicki View Post
    I wonder if the murderer hung around to watch the girls die because he is a sadist. I heard this on a fictional television show last night, but early on the psychologist on Nancy Grace suggested that the act of killing in this way could be sexual for the murderer even if the girls were not molested or raped by this monster.
    I would assume he (the killer) would want to do this in private. Alongside a busy road does NOT give him time to relish his act.

    There were PRIVATE AREAS right there.....alongside the creek, a little further off the road and they girls wouldn't have been found for hours, maybe days. The killer, it seems, wanted the girls to be found ASAP.

    And drug runners are "cool characters" but they don't KILL PEOPLE every day. Cool when transporting drugs is one thing, cool when chasing down and killing two girls in cold blood because they "saw something" is another. Unless the girls KNEW the runners, there was no need to kill them...what could they tell??? They saw two guys and it looked like they were unloading some packages?? Plus, it doesn't make sense. No drug runner with an ounce of sense would plan to do ANYTHING on that busy road. They would have checked out the area 1st and chosen another spot, more private. And it seems the Killer was WAITING on the girls to wallk to him?? How would someone who thought the girls "saw something" engineer THAT? And WHY would he take that time when he could have just gunned them down on the spot where they "saw something" and split?

    And how would the killer have known the girls were walking alone unless he was watching? I don't think he just drove up and happened to see them and lost it....it was too well planned to be that random. If it was just a spur of the moment thing - how would the random killer know that there wasn't an adult (or two with guns?) walking with the girls? How would he know there wouldn't be any witnesses to the murder in that spot? How would he know no-one was watching? Heck, if it hadn't been that Skyla's Mother was coming within minutes (something the killer could NOT have known by watching) it might have been typically more like an hour or MORE before someone went looking for the girls. I am still not sure that the phone call or GPa CALLING (yelling) at the girls (from say the driveway) didn't cause the killer to have to "rush" a bit - don't think he was expecting THAT.

    And if it was Skyla that was targeted by her association with her step-brother then why was the killer at the Placker house? Did he follow her there on Friday and wait 2 days to kill her? Skyla's GMa said Skyla was always running all over the place at home alone or with her little sister --- why wouldn't the killer have shot her there? If the killer came from Kansas and was relying on the Whitaker address, he wouldn't have been at Taylor's house, he would have been at Skyla's - and he would have just waited until he could kill one of the Whitakers. It wouldn't be much of a message to the Whitakers (or Skyla's step-brother) to kill Skyla while she was at someone else's house 15 miles away (someone that had no connection to the family in Kansas).

    And GPa Placker probably doesn't know who or why - it isn't like the person within the family is going to TELL HIM that Taylor was killed because of THEM! And perhaps GPa Placker is unaware that someone within the family is in deep doo doo with a bad bunch of people? GPa seems like he stayed out of trouble ( a white sheep among a sea of black ones?) and so did GMa. That's admirable - but they are still part of a FAMILY that seems mired in the endless jail-prison-parole (with a lot of drug/use arrests) spiral. Based on the funeral and other info, it appears the family remains close - Taylor was around a LOT of ex-cons in her young life - and unlike the Whitakers, the Plackers didn't move far away - it seemed like they moved CLOSER to many of them. Heck, Taylor might have been safer in OKC?

    Like I said, if someone has a better theory I would love to hear it. There is somethink hinky in this case and some reason OSBI is silent only a MONTH after it happened. We are missing SOMETHING here - something that will make it all make sense. There is no information, so we might as well run a lot of scenarios. Like maybe this was an online stalker?

    I cannot help but think there's a connection that leads from someone in Taylor's world straight to Taylor OR the Paschal-Plackers....
    ...but if it was Skyla who was the target - that we may NEVER get a solution unless somebody talks - it was too far removed from her and her family.

    I don't think this is a killer who will repeat - I think he was doing a "job" - or something he felt he had to do. While he might kill again, it won't be kids - don't think that's his thing and he probably didn't enjoy it - I think he looked at it as a "task" - If it is the POI it certainly seems he was very detached - almost clinical.

    No, it's not out of fear more innocent girls will be killed that I want the crazy, evil SOB who did this CAUGHT, NOW - but because those angels deserve better than the Girl Scouts have had for 30 years - to have this solved and the assurance that their killer is paying the price for his actions.

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    I think you are absolutely wrong about drug runners not killing people on a regular basis. Want me to cite the gangland style killings which occur on a "regular" basis in and around Oklahoma?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    I think you are absolutely wrong about drug runners not killing people on a regular basis. Want me to cite the gangland style killings which occur on a "regular" basis in and around Oklahoma?!
    Gangland style killings do not mean the killers were drug runners. Drug runners transport drugs - the dealers and others in the organization usually do the killing. Drug runners are sometimes themselves killed, usually by someone in their own or a rival organization. None of these involve unrelated girls being killed alone on a country road for no apparent reason.

    This was not a "gang killing" or a simple "drive-by" killing from a rival gang. What "gang" were they targeting out on County Line Road? Were the killers just driving around rural OK looking to kill someone? They didn't find anyone to randomly kill in Weleetka?? Along the main highway?

    This just doesn't seem gang related or drug related - at least not in a "direct" way. It just doesn't fit the crime scene or the location. Again - why the girls? What could they have known or seen?

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