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  1. #16
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    Documents are released! Warrants, interviews, etc.

    http://www.usdoj.gov/amerithrax/

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    More to the story...

    There is very likely much more to the story than the FBI is telling. So many questions which probably will not be answered truthfully.

    Who actually turned this Irvins guy in? Or what non-FBI person or agency cracked the case? I do not believe that the FBI - all of a sudden - figured out that he was their guy after seven years of scratching their heads.

    Why did he know that arrest by the FBI was so close? - If suicide was his alternative to arrest.

    If he was the Antrax terrorist, why did he suddenly stop sending it out. Or did he stop?

    Lots of questions.

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    8 years since the attatcks...

    Bumping case up. It has been 8 years since the attacks.

  4. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by kemo View Post
    One of the Anthrax letters had a return address of the "Greendale School". The only Greendale school the FBI could locate was in the formeer Souhern Rhodesia where Steven Hatfil lived in the 1970's. I can't believe this was a coincidence.
    Except that school didn't exist.

    And there are a ton of hits for Greendale School on Google.

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    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...rax/index.html

    More evidence that Ivins was not the source of the anthrax attacks. Says he lacked "the special equipment" required (a lyophilizer I would imagine). Also claims that the area around preparation would be contaminated. His area was not.
    I'm a virologist, and although anthrax is bacterial, I have a good familiarity with it and the technical aspects involved. I have never thought that Hatfill or Blevins was guilty of this from the get-go. And in fact, I do not believe that this anthrax came directly from Dietrick or any other government lab.

    That being said, this case is so cold now it will never be pursued IMHO.

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    I remember this case because it happened not too long after 9/11, a very sad and tragic day.

    I have read that Ahmed al-Haznawi, one of the 9/11 terrorists, went to a doctor with lesions that appear to be similar to subcutaneous anthrax.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_an...ink_to_anthrax

    We will probably never find out who did it.

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    Ten years ago...

    The 10 year anniversary of the Anthrax Attacks is approaching.

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    i just realized there was a thread on this case. I used to work at Fort Detrick in the early 90s but not at usamriid. I think its possible the anthrax attacks originated from there. Really wouldnt be hard for someone back then to get their hands on a lyophilizer. old peices of equipment like that are laying around in storage all over. my old boss had one he fixed up and took home to preserve his culture collection.

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    Strange sorority fixation was link that led to anthrax suspect

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/01/us/ant...html?hpt=hp_c1

    Strange sorority fixation was link that led to anthrax suspect

    By Joe Johns and Andy Segal, CNN
    updated 2:01 PM EST, Sat October 1, 2011


    A scientist shows the anthrax-tainted letter sent to Sen. Tom Daschle's Capitol Hill office in fall 2001.

    (CNN) -- Nancy Haigwood's career as a scientific researcher in Seattle was on the rise in 2001, when her memory of a sorority-obsessed university classmate helped lead federal investigators to the man they say was responsible for the anthrax attacks in the months following 9/11. But for the first four and a half years, her tip was low priority.

    Ten years ago, anthrax-laced letters began showing up at the U.S. Capitol and news agencies in Florida and New York. The anthrax attacks in the fall of 2001 killed five people and sickened 17 others.

    In the beginning, the anthrax letters seemed like the work of Islamist extremists. They were postmarked within weeks of the September 11 attacks, and the letters sent to then-Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and Sen. Patrick Leahy declared "Death to America. Death to Israel."...

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    Ten years ago...

    It has been ten years since the Anthrax mailings and deaths.

    It would seem, in light of recent news stories that the FBI dropped the ball big time in their investigation. With information handed to them on a Silver Platter about this Irvin kook, they went barking up the wrong tree at Hatfield. Meanwhile, Irvin continued on in a position to mishandle and mail anthrax if he so chose for the next seven years.

    When a story like this comes out, you wonder if the FBI could find their own butts with both hands and a flashlight.

    I would bet that Fort Deatrick has a "Personnel Reliability Program" of some sort which would flag persons with mental or emotional problems, or who exhibit bizzare behaviors. But if they do have such a program, it sure did not work here.

    And how ethical is it for a Psychiatrist - who KNOWS that Irvins works in a highly classified field, and has severe mental problems - to NOT mention it to the authorities? I can understand a Psychiatrist sticking to Doctor/Patient confidentiality - but even after such a national tragedy as a terrorist act using anthrax, and KNOWING that Irvins was involved in the investigation?


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    Until they can find a connection with the two non-famous female victims, the case is totally unsolved in my view. Do they believe Ivins picked them out of the phone book? I think the killer knew these women and made them a target because of some grudge or for gain.
    This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.


    Stan Reid

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    Quote Originally Posted by STANDREID View Post
    Until they can find a connection with the two non-famous female victims, the case is totally unsolved in my view. Do they believe Ivins picked them out of the phone book? I think the killer knew these women and made them a target because of some grudge or for gain.
    I wonder if they belonged to the sorority he was obsessed with.

  13. #28
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    I happened to see a show the other night. I think it was 'Something's Killing Me', or to that effect, I think on ID channel. The description was something like 'a mysterious infection of several people leads to an investigation...' and it turned out to be the Anthrax case. They take a while to reveal it (sorry for the spoiler) but it does offer an interesting recap of the investigation (near the end) and a fact or two (per interviewees ) about Ivins. Worth a dvr.

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