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    A scenario I was thinking about...

    Hello! I'm not as well read as everyone here, but I thought I would throw this out there for your consideration. Sorry if it has already been discussed and I missed it.

    Let's suppose that an intruder did indeed kill JonBenet. Patsy is awoken by a noise and checks JB's room to discover that she is missing. She frantically searches the house, and discovers JB's body. Upon discovering the body, she suffers a breakdown and enters a fugue state, or a break with reality. She wraps JB in her favorite blanket, places her body in the wine cellar {out of sight, out of mind), and in her mind creates a reality in which JB is still alive. She writes the ransom note as a way to give credibility to this alternate reality that she has imagined. All the while telling herself that JB isn't really dead, it's all just a bad dream. At this point, Patsy is like a child who has closed his/her eyes to reality and wished a bad situation away. Whether or not she realizes later what she has done, who knows?

    Feedback appreciated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warsaw View Post
    Hello! I'm not as well read as everyone here, but I thought I would throw this out there for your consideration. Sorry if it has already been discussed and I missed it.

    Let's suppose that an intruder did indeed kill JonBenet. Patsy is awoken by a noise and checks JB's room to discover that she is missing. She frantically searches the house, and discovers JB's body. Upon discovering the body, she suffers a breakdown and enters a fugue state, or a break with reality. She wraps JB in her favorite blanket, places her body in the wine cellar {out of sight, out of mind), and in her mind creates a reality in which JB is still alive. She writes the ransom note as a way to give credibility to this alternate reality that she has imagined. All the while telling herself that JB isn't really dead, it's all just a bad dream. At this point, Patsy is like a child who has closed his/her eyes to reality and wished a bad situation away. Whether or not she realizes later what she has done, who knows?

    Feedback appreciated!

    No matter how one tries to spin it the intruder simply never existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warsaw View Post
    Hello! I'm not as well read as everyone here, but I thought I would throw this out there for your consideration. Sorry if it has already been discussed and I missed it.

    Let's suppose that an intruder did indeed kill JonBenet. Patsy is awoken by a noise and checks JB's room to discover that she is missing. She frantically searches the house, and discovers JB's body. Upon discovering the body, she suffers a breakdown and enters a fugue state, or a break with reality. She wraps JB in her favorite blanket, places her body in the wine cellar {out of sight, out of mind), and in her mind creates a reality in which JB is still alive. She writes the ransom note as a way to give credibility to this alternate reality that she has imagined. All the while telling herself that JB isn't really dead, it's all just a bad dream. At this point, Patsy is like a child who has closed his/her eyes to reality and wished a bad situation away. Whether or not she realizes later what she has done, who knows?

    Feedback appreciated!

    She didn't sound like a child on the 911 call.

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    JW why new scenarios and new posters who haven't posted bf are popping up on old cases w. new theories? it's not just here.
    something to ponder:

    When the corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and the mortal have put on immortality, then shall we be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
    But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-57

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warsaw View Post
    Hello! I'm not as well read as everyone here, but I thought I would throw this out there for your consideration. Sorry if it has already been discussed and I missed it.

    Let's suppose that an intruder did indeed kill JonBenet. Patsy is awoken by a noise and checks JB's room to discover that she is missing. She frantically searches the house, and discovers JB's body. Upon discovering the body, she suffers a breakdown and enters a fugue state, or a break with reality. She wraps JB in her favorite blanket, places her body in the wine cellar {out of sight, out of mind), and in her mind creates a reality in which JB is still alive. She writes the ransom note as a way to give credibility to this alternate reality that she has imagined. All the while telling herself that JB isn't really dead, it's all just a bad dream. At this point, Patsy is like a child who has closed his/her eyes to reality and wished a bad situation away. Whether or not she realizes later what she has done, who knows?

    Feedback appreciated!
    And John too?

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    Hmmm...
    I'm as mad as HELL and I'm NOT gonna take it anymore!.

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    And is this a known psychological phenomenon? I mean, are there other cases where a parent discovers their child has been murdered, and their first reaction is to write a long, rambling ransom note? Hmmm, thought not. I would say, there are some rather more likely scenarios than this, and if you think Patsy wrote the note, RDI is the obvious way to go.

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    In the beginning I believed maybe there was an intruder but eventually after reading a theory explained in a very intelligible way I believe Patsy killed JonBenet and just acted like these women who get pregnant and killed their baby and pretend it never happened. Probably by scare of her husband's reaction maybe also after just having apparently got rid of cancer which must have been a big whew for her she wasn't ready to go in other troubles. I don't get why people are so hateful with her. They didn't witness the crime nor read her thoughts. Many parents have movements of exasperation towards their children it doesn't make them complete monsters for so much and most are lucky nothing bad happened. Then that a mother looses her mind after killing her daughter is comprehensible. That she hides that to her whole family is understandable too, she didn't want to loose her husband. I don't say it's ok but I must confess that all the comments I read about the Ramsey family were so hateful that I ended by convincing myself that, see how nasty the people who sent that were in their comments, they could only be wrong. Then I changed my mind. However I don't believe the whole family conspired, and I find it's a pity how some people take pleasure in these horrible comments on a family they don't know. It was probably just the story of an accident and a woman unable to face it.

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    Thanks for the feedback. I will crawl back in my hole now.

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    Welcome Warsaw! Although I think your scenario is very unlikely it doesn't hurt any of us to read something new once in awhile. I suggest you read up on this case and post a sceanrio that could possibly include all or most of the evidence. And I don't mean to sound rude but I also suggest you grow thicker skin because even though we are not all mean or rude, it sounds like what you've read so far here has hurt your feelings, and man, this is nothing! Welcome again and I'll look forward to hearing from you again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Warsaw View Post
    Thanks for the feedback. I will crawl back in my hole now.
    Don't be silly. Back up what you think or open your thought process

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    Don't crawl back in your hole. Stay- and read and learn. THEN formulate a theory. It really is better when you are more informed.
    Yes, people snap and finding a dead child can alter a parents' mental state, but NOT the way you suggest. And it wouldn't last 11 years.
    No one would stage the crime and write a ransom note to "explain" that an intruder killed their child, not to mention getting their husband to join in.
    Would a parent lose it after finding their murdered child? Yes- but they'd have a breakdown, and they'd want to cooperate with LE to find the intruder, not block their attempts.
    THIS time, we get it RIGHT!

    This post is my constitutionally-protected opinion. Please do not copy or take it anywhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meyahna View Post
    In the beginning I believed maybe there was an intruder but eventually after reading a theory explained in a very intelligible way I believe Patsy killed JonBenet and just acted like these women who get pregnant and killed their baby and pretend it never happened. Probably by scare of her husband's reaction maybe also after just having apparently got rid of cancer which must have been a big whew for her she wasn't ready to go in other troubles. I don't get why people are so hateful with her. They didn't witness the crime nor read her thoughts. Many parents have movements of exasperation towards their children it doesn't make them complete monsters for so much and most are lucky nothing bad happened. Then that a mother looses her mind after killing her daughter is comprehensible. That she hides that to her whole family is understandable too, she didn't want to loose her husband. I don't say it's ok but I must confess that all the comments I read about the Ramsey family were so hateful that I ended by convincing myself that, see how nasty the people who sent that were in their comments, they could only be wrong. Then I changed my mind. However I don't believe the whole family conspired, and I find it's a pity how some people take pleasure in these horrible comments on a family they don't know. It was probably just the story of an accident and a woman unable to face it.
    it's not just that they killed her and covered it up...(accident or not...I don't know).It's also the way they lied,led ppl on,wasted taxpayer money,and threw so many innocent ppl under the Ramsey bus,without probable cause or provocation.They ruined many ppl's lives and reputations,(including their own former friends),starting with the sickly Santa Bill.They placed a heck of a lot of stress onto someone who'd just had open heart surgery,and that in itself is totally despicable..actually beyond despicable.I'm not sure there is a word in the English language for it.
    The way they acted,it's not difficult to see there's no doubt they would have let someone...anyone..even their former friends...go down for it.Even to their death,if you ask me.

    (I'm not trying to disagree w. you,btw),it's just that many ppl don't know just how awful the R's acted and how far their actions went in an attempt to cover it all up.
    Last but not least,don't for get JB.The R's betrayed their own daughter to the day Patsy died,to this day still.How would JB feel about that? I try to put myself in her shoes,and I know it would be beyond awful.I wouldn't ever care to see my family again if they'd done that to me.I believe God has protected her to some extent from knowing all that happens on earth,even so,knowing or not,it is still such a painful,negative thing to do to your own child.
    something to ponder:

    When the corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and the mortal have put on immortality, then shall we be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
    But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-57

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    Hi Warsaw. Don't take it to heart. In fact, your post spurred me into making I think my first comment on the whole JonBenet case, so if your intention was to stimulate debate...you did!

    BTW, your second comment made me smile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warsaw View Post
    Hello! I'm not as well read as everyone here, but I thought I would throw this out there for your consideration. Sorry if it has already been discussed and I missed it.

    Let's suppose that an intruder did indeed kill JonBenet. Patsy is awoken by a noise and checks JB's room to discover that she is missing. She frantically searches the house, and discovers JB's body. Upon discovering the body, she suffers a breakdown and enters a fugue state, or a break with reality. She wraps JB in her favorite blanket, places her body in the wine cellar {out of sight, out of mind), and in her mind creates a reality in which JB is still alive. She writes the ransom note as a way to give credibility to this alternate reality that she has imagined. All the while telling herself that JB isn't really dead, it's all just a bad dream. At this point, Patsy is like a child who has closed his/her eyes to reality and wished a bad situation away. Whether or not she realizes later what she has done, who knows?

    Feedback appreciated!
    Hi Warsaw,
    the circumstantial evidence found the crime scene contradicts your theory.
    For fibers from Patsy's jacket were found in the wrappings of the garrote handle, the paint tote and on the duct tape. This implicates her as the main stager of the scene, who tried to conceal what really happened to JonBenet.

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