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    Quote Originally Posted by close_enough View Post
    i think she was built up to think there really was going to be a party....a party where she'd meet some really cute guy....has it been said how AR & MJ picked her back up though, once they dropped her off at Cumberland Farms?...that's where i'm a bit confused.....or did they never really "drop" her off there to start with...
    I think that they may have drugged her. Brooke and AR could have watched television until it took effect. AR said something about being drugged (one time) and that she didn't recognize one of the men with which she had sex because of it. So, we know that she was drugged at one point.

    I also think that they drugged Brooke because, maybe her stepfather (former) was planning on participating and he didn't want Brooke to recognize him.

    I don't understand the setup either. Brooke and MJ walk into CF. Brooke stands at the cash register (arms crossed) while MJ buys coffee. Why did she do this? If she were meeting someone, why didn't she just stay outside? Did MJ ask her to wait with him until he bought the coffee? It didn't even look like they said goodbye to one another when they exited the place. It looked choreographed with one going one way; and the other going the other way.

    The guy on Fox News this morning said that the coroner knows the cause of death and is just not saying what it is for some reason. That's also confusing me. Why would they not state how she died. The guy said that there may be more arrests. Maybe, that's why it's not being announced. If others were present, LE may be interrogating suspects and holding back COD to get "true" confessions. That's the only reason that I can think of to withhold COD.

    I wonder if both AR and her boyfriend were present. It seems to me that AR is more involved than she is admitting at this point. I'm not sure about the boyfriend. I wonder if he is a unknowing sap or a willing participant in the sex schemes and photos.

    Surely, the mothers (Denise and Cassandra) were not there. I have no idea why Denise would show her face at MJ's hearing. Maybe, she wanted to make sure that he didn't get bail. Maybe, she just wanted to show her face to him. Surely, she was not there to support him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalena935 View Post
    Was there ever really a sam? I thought those were fictitious names MJ dreamed up.

    I have wondered if AR's boyfriend's name was Sam? That they used his name in the emails as well as his semen to try to set him up. They even had him come to the house to pick up AR. Then again it could be another figment of MJ's imagination.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DianeB View Post
    Yeah, but none of these guys are what you'd call the George Clooney type. Maybe their wives (no Angelinas...) tolerated it because they were happy to have their husbands get their rocks off online instead of bothering them for sex.
    You must be right because it happened. I just have a hard time imagining anyone living like that. Some of the things I read about other child porn cases the FBI has broken in conjunction with other International law enforcement was just unbelieveable. I'm not sure men who do this to children shouldn't be put to death. They've waived their right to live among reasonable society.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SuziQ View Post
    I am shocked at how much they look alike. Creepy.
    i noticed that too, but the picture is so squished up, it's hard to tell...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalena935 View Post
    Nobody knew who BTK killer was. Including his wife. I have no idea but I think men like have the ability to compartmentalize dif aspects of themselves. Look at all the people like BTK who hide in plain site for yrs. When they get caught their best friends, neighbors, church deacons are shocked.

    I don't know if I buy that, I think that they all know something is not right but just ignore it. When a person is that sick it has to show up somewhere in their everyday life! IMHO


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    Quote Originally Posted by vermontn03 View Post
    dark_shadows just called me from work, she has a picture of gagnon, she will scan it when she gets home and post it.
    vermontn03,
    Thank you for the news and of course thank dark_shadows for finding Ganon's picture.


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    Quote Originally Posted by close_enough View Post
    i think she was built up to think there really was going to be a party....a party where she'd meet some really cute guy....has it been said how AR & MJ picked her back up though, once they dropped her off at Cumberland Farms?...that's where i'm a bit confused.....or did they never really "drop" her off there to start with...
    I believe that part of the story. They did drop her off as she was seen alone afterwards. I watched the report of the young man who said he saw her walking around and it didn't seem out of the ordinary. They also have other witnesses who saw her. All that has been stated is that AR said she helped get her in the car again and back to his house. She could have called, but LE would have records of that and it would ruin their cover story so I don't think it happened that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaDawn View Post
    I have wondered if AR's boyfriend's name was Sam? That they used his name in the emails as well as his semen to try to set him up. They even had him come to the house to pick up AR. Then again it could be another figment of MJ's imagination.
    Oh okay. Well maybe. I can't imagine that poor child either and how they used him. And his parents and what they must be thinking now. I wish people would check into who their children are spending time with and the families. This is so tragic. Like someone else said he could've been implicated in capital murder.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalena935 View Post
    The affidavits didn't address the issues you're wondering about. They just left those things for readers to assume. It was my impression MJ did drop her off and then picked her up about one hour later. Who knows what they told her. I took the story at face value as to what happened. He probably just told her whatever lie he chose . . .
    I think he and AR had taken her phone earlier that morning. When they drove around and picked her back up it was most likely with mock surprise and by telling her they would go back to the house to look for her phone. That's probably how and why she went upstairs so easily too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cheko1 View Post
    Apparently he seems to be ok with it / the parents don't want to be bothered by the truth in this case.

    He needs to start screaming...but then again he may not be any better than MJ.
    It's also possible AR's real father is dead OR that Denise never even knew who the 'real' father was.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vermontn03 View Post
    asking the landlord to throw away kiddie porn, he didnt know what was on it. the landlord is facing charges and they think that there will be more arrests in this case
    vermontn03,
    Again, thanks so much for the info.
    More arrest...exactly what we thought.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaded View Post
    RG almost seemed boastful about his 'five years worth of Russian porn'. I figured there was no way he was going to part with it. I'm no porn connoisseur, but what is the difference between Russian porn and the rest of it?
    I've been scratching my head about something since we first heard it and it really bugs me ....

    Does anyone have a reasonable explanation as to *WHY* Gagnon EVER admitted to LE, in the first place, that he possessed (any) Porn??


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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    However, someone doing child porn wouldn't need to invest a lot except to avoid detection by LE. People would still pay big bucks to watch child porn live no matter how lousy the feed was.
    Well, all of the players (to include MJ's father/grandfather) have homes. I'd like to know where all of these individuals, to include Ray Gagnon, got the money to buy at least one or more homes...


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    Starr, imo there is an incredible resemblance to the artist's sketch we've seen of Gagnon.

    Have you compared this pic to the pic that was in your BFP paper?

    I think you should alert the authorities of this resemblance!

    (Sorry if this has already been mentioned. I'm playing ketchup! )
    And btw, GOOD JOB sleuthing!

    (And, thanks for providing the link to the pic of Denise!)
    thanks for this update Liz...got fox on now & a pot of coffee brewing

    eta...& also wanted to say thanks Starr, for the pic of Denise....i don't know, but i kinda pictured her looking different...maybe she cleans up good....
    Last edited by close_enough; 07-08-2008 at 11:36 AM. Reason: to add


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