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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by MCDRAW View Post
    It always amazes me that someone can commit such a violent crime and serve so little time. My brother got caught with some pills...his sentence is 15 years.
    They play society like a bunch of fools. They do not take these crimes against children nearly serious enough.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Medea View Post
    Are you kidding me? Did he have priors? He needs a better lawyer that is ridiculous.

    yes, he did have priors. He stole my other two brothers credit cards. He served a year for that. He's a drug addict.


  3. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaded View Post
    AR IMO was wise beyond her years (at no fault of her own), because she was used by MJ for his sexual depravity, but here's what gets me. Mom was allowing AR to go out on car dates with boys who were old enough to drive? Did she think they were going out to talk about Barbie's or Hannah Montana? What does a 14 YO have in common with what - 16, 17 YO boys? *nothing* Maybe AR had a reputation and was known to "put out". Sorry to sound so crass. There has been mention in the past of SB having issue with AR. Maybe that's why the cousins didn't like AR or there was issue - they didn't want to be associated with her because of her rep? JMO and a theory - don't be hatin' on me. She definitely could have been vying for MJ's attention, as well.

    There is just something so dreadfully wrong with the entire family dynamics.

    Thank you..this is what I have been trying to say..this whole scene is so convoluted..can you even imagine how convoluted AR feels. She hasn't been a "normal" little girl for at least 6 maybe more years. Just because the note under the pillow came at 9 yrs old..makes me believe that she was already being sexually used well before that..a 9 year old would not have understood that note if they hadn't already had some very bad things happen to them. I think the whole idea of Breckenridge was a way to keep her quiet and subdued..feeling special, "the President picked you for this program". I think it also was the age old ploy if you don't perform well..you will be killed..referenced in the affidavits about the second one gets their throat cut. Otherwise they wouldn't have needed that ruse if she was so compliant to begin with.

    I feel very sorry for AR..she was a child from the beginning to the end. She wasn't world savy..she lived in a small town. She had no choice but to do what she was told..her mother, no egg donor/ incubator, was a piece of work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RR0004 View Post
    OT- first time offense?

    They think the pills are diet pills. Tox hasn't come back yet.


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    It looks like Burlington Free Press pulled those comments people were leaving. It was there before but now it's gone. Hmmmm....

    Also, I saw somewhere that Kevin Grosenheider lived in Anniston, Alabama which is a couple of hours away from Cullman. Does anyone know exactly when RG moved?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalena935 View Post
    You're so right about all that. It would've been a parole board who granted him early release from prison wouldn't it? I don't buy into giving prisoners accolades for completing programs while in prison because anybody can be good in prison. What else do they have to occupy their time? Leslie Van Houten comes to mind. She's always patting herself on the back for all her mail-order degrees. Anybody can act nice locked in a cage & told how to hold their mouths every waking moment. What they did with their liberty when they were able to exercise it is what's telling.

    For them to let Jacques out so early they had to have found some bogus reason to reward him. Doing 3 or 4 years on a 20 year sentence is an outrage. An insult to society with him given free reign to gloat.
    BINGO! I am going through this right now with a cousin that is incarcerated for passing bad checks - second offense and he got 3 years. He suddenly loves Jesus and wants his freedom so badly, but these are things that he should have thought about when he had his freedom. He's going to say and do whatever is necessary for him to maintain a sense of self-preservation. As for MJ and doing his pittance of a sentence - it chaps my bum! When will the system learn - pedos cannot be cured. EVER.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MCDRAW View Post
    The police can question a minor child as long as they are trying to get evidence on someone else other than said minor. The police questioned my son at school about an incident without our knowledge and this is what we were told.
    That's an interesting tidbit. I didn't know that. I wouldn't be at all comfortable with that or happy about it. If it's the law though I don't guess there's a lot a parent could do about it after the fact. Seems as if law enforcement questions children at all a parent/guardian should be present.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalena935 View Post
    That's an interesting tidbit. I didn't know that. I wouldn't be at all comfortable with that or happy about it. If it's the law though I don't guess there's a lot a parent could do about it after the fact. Seems as if law enforcement questions children at all a parent/guardian should be present.
    Do we know for a fact that Denise was NOT there?


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    Evry state is different. It also matters whether they question a minor on school grounds. Denise c was probably at the police station when they questioned AR but she didn't have to be in the room.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaded View Post
    BINGO! I am going through this right now with a cousin that is incarcerated for passing bad checks - second offense and he got 3 years. He suddenly loves Jesus and wants his freedom so badly, but these are things that he should have thought about when he had his freedom. He's going to say and do whatever is necessary for him to maintain a sense of self-preservation. As for MJ and doing his pittance of a sentence - it chaps my bum! When will the system learn - pedos cannot be cured. EVER.
    Yes I agree. A judge once told me they often will give even weekend sentences or a few days for the purpose of making an impression included with whatever fine. A sentence is for a purpose of forcing them to ponder their mistake in hopes it'll stick in their noodle so they won't be tempted to do it again or forget. I even know of a retarded citizen who was remanded by a court to serve some time in some sort of monitored program away from where he lived.

    For your cousin hopefully time with God will benefit him. Letting someone like Jacques out so early only encourages them to do more of the same in my opinion. That's a disgustingly short sentence for that horrible crime he did. It's lucky that poor young woman lived thru his torture.


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    I did not attend but close friends did and said they had an open casket at the calling hours. Denise, A.R. & the daughter of MJ were nowhere to be seen and there were MANY police officers there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gigi2009 View Post
    I think Denise was just bent on keeping up appearances. She knew exactly what was going on but just didn't want to stir up trouble. Plus it seems like AR was so aligned with MJ that the 2 of them could run all over Denise.
    And she still must be...showing up at MJs hearing!? And, if "they" have money to buy sex contraptions, why does he have a court appointed attorney?! Sorry if this has been discussed earlier in the day...but seeing her pic at the courthouse just made my blood boil!!
    Last edited by RR0004; 07-08-2008 at 06:51 PM. Reason: spelling


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    Quote Originally Posted by gigi2009 View Post
    Evry state is different. It also matters whether they question a minor on school grounds. Denise c was probably at the police station when they questioned AR but she didn't have to be in the room.
    Thanks for that. I have no idea. Maybe they did get her permission too. Sounds like that's what you're saying in essence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bdmama View Post
    I did not attend but close friends did and said they had an open casket at the calling hours. Denise, A.R. & the daughter of MJ were nowhere to be seen and there were MANY police officers there.
    I read that it was going to be an open casket...how heartwrenching. It also gets me thinking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bdmama View Post
    I did not attend but close friends did and said they had an open casket at the calling hours. Denise, A.R. & the daughter of MJ were nowhere to be seen and there were MANY police officers there.

    Brooke's casket was open?
    If so, that means there was little decomposition when the body was found.


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