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    Quote Originally Posted by marly56 View Post
    there is a possibility that he gave the items to someone else [involved] to plant and that other person left them close to his property to bring attention to him. in other words to expose him as the killer...maybe the death was an accident.. maybe mj and/or others were abusing brooke[rip] and mj went off the deep end and and...
    Hi Marly,

    When I discussed this case with my wife, this was her theory also. She also pointed out that leaving the plastic "sandwich" bag may have been done to show the semen evidence was planted also, since the bag probably contained traces of Juv2's semen.

    However, when I read the Federal Affidavit for Uncle Michael, I learned on Page 2, Pargraph 5 that on June 26th, Jacques notified Vermont State Police he had located a sneaker.

    If someone else planted this evidence close to Uncle Michael's to implicate him, I think he wouldn't have notified police that he found it.

    I believe he planted the shoes, underwear, handkerchief, and the plastic bag himself. But why, and especially why leave the plastic bag?

    -Catfish
    Last edited by Catfish; 07-22-2008 at 12:11 PM. Reason: edited to correct grammer


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    Quote Originally Posted by Catfish View Post
    Hi Marly,

    When I discussed this case with my wife, this was her theory also. She also pointed out that leaving the plastic "sandwich" bag may have been done to show the semen evidence was planted also, since the bag probably contained traces of Juv2's semen.

    However, when I read the Federal Affidavit for Uncle Michael, I learned on Page 2, Pargraph 5 that on June 26th, Jacques notified Vermont State Police he had located a sneaker.

    If someone else planted this evidence close to Uncle Michael's to implicate him, I think he wouldn't have notified police that he found it.

    I believe he planted the shoes, underwear, handkerchief, and the plastic bag himself. But why, and especially why leave the plastic bag?

    -Catfish
    Just so you all know the planted evidence was not that close to MJs home, it is actually almost 9 miles from the Floating Bridge swimming area in Brookfield to MJs home. But it is 9 miles in the total opposite direction of the burial area.


    Allen


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    I think the evidence was planted to absolutely lead the ppl looking away from his home area, i think MJ was so dumb to think that by him finding it they wouldnt look his way, i think they were already looking his way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catfish View Post
    Hi Marly,

    When I discussed this case with my wife, this was her theory also. She also pointed out that leaving the plastic "sandwich" bag may have been done to show the semen evidence was planted also, since the bag probably contained traces of Juv2's semen.

    However, when I read the Federal Affidavit for Uncle Michael, I learned on Page 2, Pargraph 5 that on June 26th, Jacques notified Vermont State Police he had located a sneaker.

    If someone else planted this evidence close to Uncle Michael's to implicate him, I think he wouldn't have notified police that he found it.

    I believe he planted the shoes, underwear, handkerchief, and the plastic bag himself. But why, and especially why leave the plastic bag?

    -Catfish
    good point !


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    Quote Originally Posted by jnodrog View Post
    Just so you all know the planted evidence was not that close to MJs home, it is actually almost 9 miles from the Floating Bridge swimming area in Brookfield to MJs home. But it is 9 miles in the total opposite direction of the burial area. Allen
    Thank you Allen for this information. When I posted about Uncle Michael "finding" evidence in his own "backyard," I was thinking more of the closeness of his home versus the distance from Vermont to Texas.

    The evening before MJ "found" the sneaker, he showed LE Brooke's MySpace page where she discusses with skittlemeup "...I'm going to Texas..." (I realize the entire message was planted by Uncle Michael.)

    MJ, for unknown reasons, "found" Brooke's clothing fairly close to his home within 12-16 hours after showing LE her MySpace page. So far as we know, LE's focus at that time was that this was an Internet case. By "finding" her clothing, MJ forced the police to search the area within 9 miles of his property, rather than search the highways from Vermont to Texas.

    And MJ surely would have known LE would inspect his computer, since the hard drive on his personal computer was missing with no explaination. He must have believed the deleted eMails to AR on his business computer were not recoverable.

    -Catfish


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    Quote Originally Posted by jnodrog View Post
    I think the evidence was planted to absolutely lead the ppl looking away from his home area, i think MJ was so dumb to think that by him finding it they wouldnt look his way, i think they were already looking his way.

    Allen
    right...it must have NEVER dawned on uncle mike that le would look into his past.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jnodrog View Post
    Just so you all know the planted evidence was not that close to MJs home, it is actually almost 9 miles from the Floating Bridge swimming area in Brookfield to MJs home. But it is 9 miles in the total opposite direction of the burial area.


    Allen
    now with the 9 mile distance in the opposite direction info... could there still be a possibility that others involved drove and dropped it there? ar did tell le that jv2 picked her up [car?] remember ar did get the semen from jv2 . we dont know as of today whether or not jv2 was aware of the facts but we have ar saying to le that the semen was jv2 and also that when mj called brooke to come upstairs, this is the last time that ar saw brooke because ar was picked up by her boyfriend jv2. so imo if ar told le the truth then the planted evidence could have been moved by someone other than mj. then of course this would make more sense to me personally... of course this is only my oppinion and i do not want to be the one that accuses but wouldnt this sort of tie things things together? getting someone elses semen in order to set someone else up? if ar really cared about her boyfriend[jv2] would she let him take the fall? or would she have told him what was going on when he picked her up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marly56 View Post
    ...if ar really cared about her boyfriend[jv2] would she let him take the fall? or would she have told him what was going on when he picked her up.
    Hi Marly,

    This is an excellent question. Perhaps a partial answer is found in a statement made by AR as presented in the State of Vermont Affidavit: State of Vermont V. Michael Jacqures.

    On June 29th, 4 days after Brooke was last seen by AR, she is interviewed by Det. Sgt. William Jenkins. This interview is where she tells Det. Jenkins about Breckenridge.

    In paragraph 6 on page 2, "AR expressed for some reason she was not killed and did not know how she was alive."

    If AR is truthful in this statement, then on June 25th she may well have been torn between caring for her boyfriend and her own survival. And survival is a pretty strong instinct.

    -Catfish
    Last edited by Catfish; 07-22-2008 at 02:46 PM. Reason: correct typo errors


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    Quote Originally Posted by Catfish View Post
    Hi Marly,

    This is an excellent question. Perhaps a partial answer is found in a statement made by AR as presented in the State of Vermont Affidavit: State of Vermont V. Michael Jacqures.

    On June 29th, 4 days after Brooke was last seen by AR, she is interviewed by Det. Sgt. William Jenkins. This interview is where she tells Det. Jenkins about Breckenridge.

    In paragraph 6 on page 2, "AR expressed for some reason she was not killed and did not know how she was alive."

    If AR is truthful in this statement, then on June 25th she may well have been torn between caring for her boyfriend and her own survival. And survival is a pretty strong instinct.

    -Catfish
    hi catfish...yes i agree...just wish we had more information ..maybe this is why there is such a media blackout, if we had more information we would be able to connect all the dots and this would not bode well for le if they are in the gathering information process. the way word travels via internet and in a small town local area, the truth be told, it would have a profound effect on the precincts there.


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    I have thought all along that the evidence was not planted by MJ, and the leaving the baggy behind was a so called rookie mistake, im sure le new that evidence was planted as soon as they found that baggy. Im still not so sure where Brooke was after that first day I live within 15 miles and i cant believe that there would have been open casket if she was buried for a week, just my opinion, i personally think someone else did the dirty work, hmmmmmmm and i wonder where RG was when he first got to Vermont, they talked a lot on the phone about something and it had to be more than just getting rid of porn.


    Allen


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    Quote Originally Posted by jnodrog View Post
    I have thought all along that the evidence was not planted by MJ, and the leaving the baggy behind was a so called rookie mistake, im sure le new that evidence was planted as soon as they found that baggy. Im still not so sure where Brooke was after that first day I live within 15 miles and i cant believe that there would have been open casket if she was buried for a week, just my opinion, i personally think someone else did the dirty work, hmmmmmmm and i wonder where RG was when he first got to Vermont, they talked a lot on the phone about something and it had to be more than just getting rid of porn.


    Allen
    you've really sparked my imagination now. i never considered rg but more than a bit player.


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    Sorry, I am behind now. Did the court dates take place on July 17th for MJ and RG? I can't find any threads on them if they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    Sorry, I am behind now. Did the court dates take place on July 17th for MJ and RG? I can't find any threads on them if they did.
    Nope...rescheduled due to scheduling conflict....see media threads for MJ & RG


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    What were those 6 phone calls about?

    Quote Originally Posted by jnodrog View Post
    (MJ and RG) ...talked a lot on the phone about something and it had to be more than just getting rid of porn.
    Allen
    Hi Allen,

    You pointed out that MJ and RG talked a lot on the phone and “it had to be more than just getting rid of porn.” I reread Raymond Gagnon’s affidavit and news releases about him. From what I read, those six phone calls must not have been about getting rid of porn at all!

    Between 9:26 pm on June 25th. and 12:59 am the next morning, Raymond Gagnon received 6 phone calls from Michael Jacques. While we don’t know the subject of these calls, we do know that R.G. left Texas for Alabama on June 26, leaving his laptop computer and a safe behind in San Antonio, Texas. In other words, these 6 phone calls did not alarm RG enough to destroy his child porn before he left Texas.

    On June 26, Gagnon flies to Alabama and enters his former residence in Cullman. From there, he flies to Vermont. Investigators later went to the home and said they found child pornography stored on two computers belonging to Gagnon. Again, Gagnon was not alarmed enough on June 26th. to destroy his collection of CP before he left Alabama.

    In fact, it wasn’t until 4 days later, on June 30, that something alarmed Gagnon enough that he called Grosenheider in Texas and asked him to throw away his safe and contents.

    I admit my earlier assumption was that those 6 calls from Jacques were to inform Gagnon of what happened to Brooke and to give Gagnon time to destroy his collection of child porn and other incriminating evidence. Rereading the affidavit, I see that was not the case. This makes those 6 calls even more curious to me now.

    -Catfish


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    Quote Originally Posted by Catfish View Post
    Hi Allen,

    You pointed out that MJ and RG talked a lot on the phone and “it had to be more than just getting rid of porn.” I reread Raymond Gagnon’s affidavit and news releases about him. From what I read, those six phone calls must not have been about getting rid of porn at all!

    Between 9:26 pm on June 25th. and 12:59 am the next morning, Raymond Gagnon received 6 phone calls from Michael Jacques. While we don’t know the subject of these calls, we do know that R.G. left Texas for Alabama on June 26, leaving his laptop computer and a safe behind in San Antonio, Texas. In other words, these 6 phone calls did not alarm RG enough to destroy his child porn before he left Texas.

    On June 26, Gagnon flies to Alabama and enters his former residence in Cullman. From there, he flies to Vermont. Investigators later went to the home and said they found child pornography stored on two computers belonging to Gagnon. Again, Gagnon was not alarmed enough on June 26th. to destroy his collection of CP before he left Alabama.

    In fact, it wasn’t until 4 days later, on June 30, that something alarmed Gagnon enough that he called Grosenheider in Texas and asked him to throw away his safe and contents.

    I admit my earlier assumption was that those 6 calls from Jacques were to inform Gagnon of what happened to Brooke and to give Gagnon time to destroy his collection of child porn and other incriminating evidence. Rereading the affidavit, I see that was not the case. This makes those 6 calls even more curious to me now.

    -Catfish
    Yep i think your on to something also. Just my opinion or thoughts but i think RG had something to do with the burial myself, but maybe not. Im just thinking he had to be into this way deeper to fly all over and come here to Vermont. Just to support the family and go to church?? i dont think so.

    Allen


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