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    Quote Originally Posted by Leila View Post
    If Jesse helped Casey move Caylee, my bet is that Jesse will crack before any of the immediate Anthony family.
    I think it was telling that when asked if he thinks Casey was capable of hurting Caylee he didnt say no...

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss lisa View Post
    nursebeeme,
    I hope you are still around I have a medical question. What would the lowest dose of Xanax do to a 3 year old?
    xanax is not recommended for children under 18 and I have never seen it given to a child 3 years of age. The standard adult dose is usually 0.25 to 0.5 mg three times a day. It is usually given for anxiety and sometimes depression. I have seen it, as a pedi nurse, rxd for teens but sometimes starting with half of a 0.25 tab and that was rare. Now that I work open heart surgery, and have for the last ten years, we use it a lot pre op for anxiety but I work with all adults and sometimes teens with unresolved cardiac anomalies from birth (pda, etc).

    But for a three year old...the standard 0.5 tab would knock her out for four to five hours at the least in my opinion!
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    Quote Originally Posted by abrakadabra View Post
    back in oct. i had a horrible reaction to having anesthetic for first-time surgery and was given xanax for the horrid panic/anxiety attacks that followed... it worked @ first, but over 2-3 months i'd have to double or triple dose for it even BEGIN to work. and even then it wasn't the same as when it was first started. and i kno everyone is diff. but xanax (when working) just def. puts you into this "i don't care" attitude. that being said... i can't imagine how much you'd have to take to be able to murder your little girl, but... for life's daily stresses it kinda just makes "whatever" a lot of things.

    so yeah, a tolerance can definitely be built... @ least for some people.
    Thanks for the info. I thought so, but wasn't sure. WELCOME TO WS!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RR0004 View Post
    Ok Blink...here's a question for you. If Casey bought this woman's identity (need for cash explained) wouldn't she be able to then do a credit check...and if Sawgrass Apts. ran a background check on ZFG it would appear on the check (anyone who checks for credit, ie, credit card companies, would also pop up)? Long winded question, I know. But, maybe that's how Casey came up with the name of the apts. And just maybe this merry band of "friends" was into this kind of stuff? I'm not familiar with how an identity theft ring works, but I'm curious to know if Sawgrass Apts. did run a background check on this woman. It would be a good idea for LE to check out.
    JP has a bs in computer science...

    eta...jp is roomie of morales...friends all in the merry band of friends
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    Well, if Casey has a prescription for Xanax I suppose she would still be getting it in jail. If she doesn't she could be having withdrawal symptoms. That might work to the detectives benefit. IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hailiejade77 View Post
    No thats something different,.. ghb I think
    Yep, ghb.

    Also, if someone, without a tolorance, took say 6mg of xanax, they'd be out....deeply. For quite a while.
    We used to call then xannies. Different spelling from Zanny. :shrugs:

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    I have been thinking about the car...Have we established it was probaby left around June 27th being towed on the 30th?

    This would mean for a period of over a week Casey had no car (Until she borrowed Amy's around the 9th of July)

    How did she get around...Florida is NOT a place one can walk around in especially this time of year and the bus system in this state is horrible...

    Also, in the begining, I felt she had to have done something to Caylee shortly after that June 15th date she was last seen (Caylee) but at the same time my gut says she ditched that car very shortly after something occurred( a day or two)...which brings me closer to something possibly occurring the 25, or 26th of June...
    Jesse's report of the phone call on the 24th would support this but I still am not sure I totally believe him as of yet...
    Just some thoughts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by abrakadabra View Post
    well hello folks!!! am a newbie here... name's abra, yes, like abrakadabra. a HUGE HUGE HUGE thanks to adnoid for helping w/ the registration process... i've been trying like CRAZY for the last... lol, 2-years actually, to register, and finally was able to w/ the help. (stoopid aol) -- so, again, thanks. and hello all!!

    that being said... ugh, this case has made me about crazy, and there have been SOOO many times i've wanted to comment or say something, but i'm completely impressed with the "skills" of posters here... anything i'm thinking is eventually said. now that i can post i need to go back and catch up on today's events, but thought i'd share my opinion of the case thus far:

    casey = liar
    caylee = beautiful little girl
    grandma = batshiz crazy

    that's the short version. more in a bit after i catch up!
    Welcome to Abra and all other newbies that I have missed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    ZENAIDA GONZALEZ

    Instead of it being Zanny, Zanie, or Zannie shouldn't be

    Zeni, Zennie or Zenny.

    I can't figure out how Zanie came out of Zenaida.

    Anyone know how old she is?
    I totally agree with you. The natural nickname for someone named Zenaida would be Zeni, Zennie or Zenny.

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    Thanks NurseBeMee, As I mentioned I think something bad has happened. It either has caused Casey to go into this mode of tell stories till she's blue or it is her reaction to her own mistake.

    I guess what I am saying is it's not conlclusive that its because she is guilty of something. If I try and put my son in her place. Would he like guilty or not? Yes. And he would keep lying not knowing how to get out of it or make the lies stop.

    I'm serious here my son has lost major major major opportunities that meant the world to him over stupid lies and after the dust settles I always try and analyse it with him to see if he can detect the pattern and stop it. . and very often he will often break down and say "I don't know why, mom" I really don't. It's like I wake up in the middle of these stories and realize what it's cost me and then I can't get out.

    Believe it or not, my son is very proud and is horrified at being caught or called a liar so if he finds himself in a lie, he becomes desperate to make it TRUE instead of admiting it and starting all over.

    There are other simlarities with Casey. Severe lack of motivation, and a happy go lucky approach to responsibility and life.

    My brain wants to tell me Casey is lying to save her ass. My heart and experience with my son tells me that there is a chance this girl is innocent and just in way over her head. Her lying in the past has never really caused her too much grief and was never dealt with and she does not have the mechanisms to deal with what she has herself into.

    The difference with my son is after things settled down and no one was pestering him (isolation) he would call me and would tell me the truth and then after recognized he had no option he would face the consequences and do the right thing. Another trait I suspect he shares with Casey though . .. the minute he would deal with something. . .it would be over. No upsettednesss, no residual guilt. He could be laughing within minutes.
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    saqqara, welcome, I work with quite a few parents and students who lie just to be lying. The more you try to "pin" them down the more they lie or become aggitated. I've finally had to learn that a person's "perception is their reality". Regardless of whether that perception is shared by the large majority. At least it helps me in trying to come up with workable solutions for all involved.

    curiositycat, I have a little medical background...and to the best of my knowledge, yes, you can build a tolerance for Xanax. In addition, it's highly addictive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiositycat View Post
    I wonder if xanax is one of these drugs that you build a tolerance to? If she had been giving it to the child for some time maybe it was losing it's effect and she was giving her more and more.
    yes it is!
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    Quote Originally Posted by olive View Post
    Just FYI...

    We have a newbie in the Caylee Anthony forum who has posted twice so far, just joined today. THE USERNAME IS "SWORD'S MAN" AND HE HAS SOME INTERESTING OPINIONS ON THE "WHO IS CAYLEE'S FATHER?" THREAD.

    Just FYI...

    Welcome, Sword's Man...
    Welcome Sword's Man and thankyou to Olive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinaLite View Post
    I have been thinking about the car...Have we established it was probaby left around June 27th being towed on the 30th?

    This would mean for a period of over a week Casey had no car (Until she borrowed Amy's around the 9th of July)

    How did she get around...Florida is NOT a place one can walk around in especially this time of year and the bus system in this state is horrible...

    Also, in the begining, I felt she had to have done something to Caylee shortly after that June 15th date she was last seen (Caylee) but at the same time my gut says she ditched that car very shortly after something occurred( a day or two)...which brings me closer to something possibly occurring the 25, or 26th of June...
    Jesse's report of the phone call on the 24th would support this but I still am not sure I totally believe him as of yet...
    Just some thoughts...
    Okay, well maybe she "hung out" at someone's place for a few days. Maybe that person is concerned that somehow they may look "involved". Since they are all such good friends maybe that's why Jesse changed his story. I didn't believe him yesterday and I still don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohabi View Post
    Something I can't get over: WHY would Casey have told such easily detected lies as

    - the empty apartment
    - working for Universal Studios
    - even taking LE to Universal Studios to show them her "office"

    These lies were so easily proven as such. WHO would think of making up such stupid lies, thinking that they wouldn't be found out inmediately? Is Casey so dumb that she thought LE wouldn't follow up?

    Sounds like she is trying to take up their time and lead them on some goose chases.
    Maybe Casey took some lsd (acid-shrooms) and had a bad trip that she didn't recover from?

    I was about 10 when my older cousin Steve did just that. He's still messed up from it too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by saqqara View Post
    Thanks NurseBeMee, As I mentioned I think something bad has happened. It either has caused Casey to go into this mode of tell stories till she's blue or it is her reaction to her own mistake.

    I guess what I am saying is it's not conlclusive that its because she is guilty of something. If I try and put my son in her place. Would he like guilty or not? Yes. And he would keep lying not knowing how to get out of it or make the lies stop.

    I'm serious here my son has lost major major major opportunities that meant the world to him over stupid lies and after the dust settles I always try and analyse it with him to see if he can detect the pattern and stop it. . and very often he will often break down and say "I don't know why, mom" I really don't. It's like I wake up in the middle of these stories and realize what it's cost me and then I can't get out.

    Believe it or not, my son is very proud and is horrified at being caught or called a liar so if he finds himself in a lie, he becomes desperate to make it TRUE instead of admiting it and starting all over.

    There are other simlarities with Casey. Severe lack of motivation, and a happy go lucky approach to responsibility and life.

    My brain wants to tell me Casey is lying to save her ass. My heart and experience with my son tells me that there is a chance this girl is innocent and just in way over her head. Her lying in the past has never really caused her too much grief and was never dealt with and she does not have the mechanisms to deal with what she has herself into.

    The difference with my son is after things settled down and no one was pestering him (isolation) he would call me and would tell me the truth and then after recognized he had no option he would face the consequences and do the right thing. Another trait I suspect he shares with Casey though . .. the minute he would deal with something. . .it would be over. No upsettednesss, no residual guilt. He could be laughing within minutes.
    This matches what Cindy said on the stand yesterday about Casey and the truth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by saqqara View Post
    Thanks NurseBeMee, As I mentioned I think something bad has happened. It either has caused Casey to go into this mode of tell stories till she's blue or it is her reaction to her own mistake.

    I guess what I am saying is it's not conlclusive that its because she is guilty of something. If I try and put my son in her place. Would he like guilty or not? Yes. And he would keep lying not knowing how to get out of it or make the lies stop.

    I'm serious here my son has lost major major major opportunities that meant the world to him over stupid lies and after the dust settles I always try and analyse it with him to see if he can detect the pattern and stop it. . and very often he will often break down and say "I don't know why, mom" I really don't. It's like I wake up in the middle of these stories and realize what it's cost me and then I can't get out.

    Believe it or not, my son is very proud and is horrified at being caught or called a liar so if he finds himself in a lie, he becomes desperate to make it TRUE instead of admiting it and starting all over.

    There are other simlarities with Casey. Severe lack of motivation, and a happy go lucky approach to responsibility and life.

    My brain wants to tell me Casey is lying to save her ass. My heart and experience with my son tells me that there is a chance this girl is innocent and just in way over her head. Her lying in the past has never really caused her too much grief and was never dealt with and she does not have the mechanisms to deal with what she has herself into.

    The difference with my son is after things settled down and no one was pestering him (isolation) he would call me and would tell me the truth and then after recognized he had no option he would face the consequences and do the right thing. Another trait I suspect he shares with Casey though . .. the minute he would deal with something. . .it would be over. No upsettednesss, no residual guilt. He could be laughing within minutes.
    Thank you for the insight you have given us, I appreciate it very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiositycat View Post
    http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may...l/me-drugbust7 The school was San Diego State..here's a link to an article.
    One alleged dealer was just a month away from receiving a masterís degree in homeland security and had worked with the campus police as a security officer, officials said.
    Thanks for taking the time to research that, curiousitycat.

    Makes me wonder what Jesse becoming 05 (police) and 'going solo in eight weeks' means? There are so many strange twists to this case. But the only thing that matters to us all, again, is Where Is Caylee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WISCer View Post
    saqqara, welcome, I work with quite a few parents and students who lie just to be lying. The more you try to "pin" them down the more they lie or become aggitated. I've finally had to learn that a person's "perception is their reality". Regardless of whether that perception is shared by the large majority. At least it helps me in trying to come up with workable solutions for all involved.

    curiositycat, I have a little medical background...and to the best of my knowledge, yes, you can build a tolerance for Xanax. In addition, it's highly addictive.
    Believe it or not I am a retired licensed psychologist. It's been twelve years or so and things have changed greatly. I don't have a Phd, so I don't know a lot about meds. I never did much drug counseling unless I was doing a favor for a co-worker on vacation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truly View Post
    Is it possible that dealers of Zanax register to unused apatrments and even the phone directory under code names such as Zanny? The people who purchase the stuff would recognize it, but it took dozens of threads for the best sleuthers and moms in the country to think of it? Is it possible that someone was actually dealing out of that vacant apartment where Casey went to find Zanny the Nanny?
    Dealers use vacant apts alllll the time! Some use it for dealing, some use in them and some just plain ole squat fulltime and do all the above.
    They try to stay under the radar, away from their usual spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drip~drop View Post
    Sounds like she is trying to take up their time and lead them on some goose chases.
    Maybe Casey took some lsd (acid-shrooms) and had a bad trip that she didn't recover from?

    I was about 10 when my older cousin Steve did just that. He's still messed up from it too!
    I hear you......so is my daughter

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    Quote Originally Posted by saqqara View Post
    Okay I have been meaning to post along these lines since I joined here. . . because what I have to say is relevant it's just going to be hard to follow.

    First of all I believe something unfortunate has happened to Caylee and I believe the GM knows more or believes more than she is letting on and that is making her into the difficult person she is.

    Now for the position I haven't seen posted (but I could have missed it).

    I have an 18 year old son and a 15 year old daughter. My son is brilliant. Seriously, I.Q. and understanding. He is also a compulsive liar. And to top it all off he lies about obvious things that he could easily tell the truth about. It makes no sense and never has. He has had many many many difficulties because of this. I was devastated as a parent because I could not seem to get through to him all the damage to himself he caused. The worst part is when he was telling lies he truly seemed to believe them. . . and the more you cornered him with the truth (walking into Universal Studios) the more adamant he became that he was telling the truth and he would become truly devastated that no one believed him.

    My 15 year old daughter never has had this problem. Now here is the kicker. They have different fathers. The father of my son displalyed the same traits and I blamed his parents. I also had another son with this man when I was very young and placed him for adoption. I have since been in contact with him and his mother and HE IS EXACTLY THE SAME.

    I truly believed I and my husband were to blame for how we raised our son. The woman who adopted my first child, believed it was a failing of thier raising him unfortunately they didn't have a second child to compare to.

    My point is this. My son has never truly been in trouble. He is warm, outgoing, gregarous and will charm the pants off anyone old and young alike. He is LOVED, and forgiven by many for his lies. He's seen many counsellors, and psychatrists, all who tell us different things. He's been diagnosed with various non-verbal learning disorders. . . . but no mental health issues. It just is.

    Casey reminds me a bit of my son. And, obviously another child I gave birth too with the same character traits.

    I don't know what this means. . .but I do know that it makes this case very very very difficult. . . but it does not obviously mean her lying is a learned behaviour and nor does itmean she is obviously guilty of harming her child because she is lying.

    Just another take.
    Thank you for sharing your story. It was very brave of you. Might I ask if your son has had a substance abuse problem of any kind? I know someone very much like your son...and he did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blink34 View Post
    For me, I think the point is, you can't have it both ways, you can't make it up but still be right. ZG WAS there, LE confirmed her ID.
    I posted this a few threads ago but there is a reason these 2 deny knowing each other, maybe the degree of seperation is only 1, why would anyone expect this woman to be honest if ZG was say, a pusher or dealer?? I dont think Casey ever thought LE would connect those dots in the first place, there is a missing link between players Amy, Jesse, Troy, TonE, ZG and Christine to name a few.
    I totally agree Blink. Casey knew ZG was at the apartments somehow. She might not have known that ZG didn't follow through and rent the apt? I would also think the cops would have known if ZG was lying and maybe they do know that? But, Casey could have gotten the info some other way? Maybe Casey was looking to rent the apt also and showed up there the same day ZG did. Why would Casey remember her name though?

    The friend, Jeff was it?, that also used ZG as a babysitter, is he real? Do we know that yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truly View Post
    Thanks for taking the time to research that, curiousitycat.

    Makes me wonder what Jesse becoming 05 (police) and 'going solo in eight weeks' means? There are so many strange twists to this case. But the only thing that matters to us all, again, is Where Is Caylee?
    I know it. This is going to make a great book and movie..evidentually!

    In the meantime WHERE IS CAYLEE????

    I have been praying for an answer to that all day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiositycat View Post
    Believe it or not I am a retired licensed psychologist. It's been twelve years or so and things have changed greatly. I don't have a Phd, so I don't know a lot about meds. I never did much drug counseling unless I was doing a favor for a co-worker on vacation.
    Hey, fellow shrink here....I kinda have to know a little of everything. I work the public school system.

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