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    Maybe we should take a look at the timeline thread, and decide which date or dates we might look at to see how this will end?

    Obviously it is extremely time consuming to check all of them, so how do we decide which might be the most significant or helpful.

    I am wondering about the date the dogs visited the Anthony property? How do we ascertain which planets represents the dogs?


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    Quote Originally Posted by housemouse View Post
    I was just watching Fox/Geraldo interviewing Leonard Padilla, who is insisting that Caylee is alive, and it dawned on me.

    Can we find his birthdate to see what might be going on in his chart?

    Ditto the lawyer, Baez?

    Might not add anything, but it is always interesting to look at the cross aspects between their charts, and Casey's.

    I am so delighted to have the three of us researchers here! What other charts might we look at? What about that court hearing? I think it was around July 21st/22nd, but we might have to go to court records to find the time it started and ended...
    hi house mouse.. I admire you and the other too chartresses .. I have been reading about this and so would love to start reading also. I will be making a trip to chattanooga this weekend ( if hubby doesnt have to work ) to see if I can pick up some books. I live about 65 miles from a mall or book store .. lol not much on top of this mountain but the stars are beautiful at night.. and when a meteor hower is visiable oh my gosh just beautiful..

    so any good suggestion for a beginner (best bet are the dummies book for me ) lol i have a pc and would like to get software also.. i know you have a mac but maybe soul or nep has a pc and could give me help on this.

    I searched on line but i am type to have to visually see and hold stuff and read package.

    I think that covers it.. oh by the way if you ever have time would love my chart done.. will pm with info .. don't bother tho if you have no time . just would love to see what long future holds . somethings are happening and just would love to see the stars look on it. thanks for any help..


    oh yes and also have some info for you and the ladies..

    casey's pre-trial conference date and time 11-5-08 9am
    trial 11-17-08 9 30 am


    hope this helps everyone in the quest to find Caylee and bring the baby home .. God Bless to all..


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    I hope that Neptunian and Soulscape will offer their opinions on the best beginner books. I suggest staying away from the "pop astrology" bokks that tell you nonsense, like "what's your love sign", and stuff like that.

    I like "Aspects in Astrology" by Sue Tompkins. Sub-title is "A Guide to Understanding Planetary Relationships in the Horoscope".

    I would be happy to email you your chart, and there is no charge, for my software does it in about 2 seconds. But! AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!

    You must have an accurate birth time and location, otherwise you will not be able to get the most personal information. I got mine from the birth records in the city where I was born, and boy, am I glad I didn't take my mother's word for it.

    She said I was born right after dinner. Come to find out that I was born at 10:30 PM, recorded on the "extra" section of my certificate.

    But, I also must tell you that astrology cannot tell you what will happen in your future. This is why the Bible warns us against "fortune-telling".

    What astrology can tell you is the kinds of energy you will feel or be dealing with at certain points in time. These can manifest in such a variety of ways that no astrologer can accurately predict anything specific.

    Also, how you respond to these energies is what makes you a unique individual. Your personal growth over the years, past experiences of a similar nature, the knowledge and wisdom you have gained from these, and the personal choices you make are much more important than the aspects themselves.

    The natal aspects, and the transiting aspects are more like a "language", and you can use this language, once you learn it, to be accepting of all of life's ups and downs.

    I hope this helps. And, once you get your chart, I can send you computer generated text, both for your natal aspects, and for transiting aspects, but you must remember that these are very general, and not specific to you, personally. They also do not integrate all the information in your chart, either, so you must do a bit of work yourself.


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    And, another bit of advice for people just starting to study astrology, do not spend much time looking ahead in your chart.

    Instead list the major events in your past life, then check to see what aspects in your natal chart were being touched by "transits". Then think about how you handled them, and what you learned... this will tell you a lot about yourself, and what resources you have developed. So when similar transits occur again, you will be able to refer back...


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    Quote Originally Posted by housemouse View Post
    I was just watching Fox/Geraldo interviewing Leonard Padilla, who is insisting that Caylee is alive, and it dawned on me.

    Can we find his birthdate to see what might be going on in his chart?

    Ditto the lawyer, Baez?

    Might not add anything, but it is always interesting to look at the cross aspects between their charts, and Casey's.

    I am so delighted to have the three of us researchers here! What other charts might we look at? What about that court hearing? I think it was around July 21st/22nd, but we might have to go to court records to find the time it started and ended...
    Whether Caylee is still alive or not will not be seen in Padilla's chart, nor Baez's .... but I wouldn't be at all surprised to find one or both of them in the middle of a big fat Neptune transit (delusion)!

    I would so like to get my hands on Casey's exact birth information, and Cindy's, too. I believe those two timed charts would spill BUCKETS of info....

    It's too bad LE across the country is basically skeptical about astrology. All they would have to do is supply WS with credible, full birth data on key players & the astrologers could have a go at it. What does LE have to lose? A few minutes of time pulling up a record on a database? What if those few minutes of effort on their part resulted in info/clues that could help them crack a case, sooner rather than later?

    JMO,
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    Quote Originally Posted by MommaD View Post
    ...

    so any good suggestion for a beginner (best bet are the dummies book for me ) lol i have a pc and would like to get software also.. i know you have a mac but maybe soul or nep has a pc and could give me help on this.

    I searched on line but i am type to have to visually see and hold stuff and read package.

    ...

    casey's pre-trial conference date and time 11-5-08 9am
    trial 11-17-08 9 30 am


    hope this helps everyone in the quest to find Caylee and bring the baby home .. God Bless to all..

    Hi MommaD,

    I would recommend Astrology, A Cosmic Science by Isabel Hickey. I would also recommend a website, www.bobmarksastrologer.com. He has very good lessons.

    As far as programs for the PC, start with Astrowin by Allen Edwall, available for free download on www.astrowin.org. It is very good for a free program. Later, should you decide you are hooked on astro & want professional software, I use Solar Fire and am pretty happy with it.

    Thanks for supplying the start times of the pre-trial and the trial. I will try to give those charts a look-over.

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by housemouse View Post
    Maybe we should take a look at the timeline thread, and decide which date or dates we might look at to see how this will end?

    Obviously it is extremely time consuming to check all of them, so how do we decide which might be the most significant or helpful.

    I am wondering about the date the dogs visited the Anthony property? How do we ascertain which planets represents the dogs?
    Hi Housemouse,

    The dogs would be the 6th House of Service, IMO. The planet that rules the 6th House would represent the dogs. If there is a planet (planets) very close to the 6th House cusp, they would also give information, but the Ruler of the 6th House would be their primary significator.

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neptunian View Post
    Hi Housemouse, Soulscape, Lovejac and all,

    ...

    First of all - I went back and reread my messages and want to say this: I used past tense in describing Caylee because the disappearance was more than two months ago. (I am trying my best to cling to hope that she is alive.) There are very powerful forces at play in her life right now. Whenever the slow moving outer planets are contacting personal points in the horoscope, there are major events. She is touched by Uranus (sudden separation), Neptune (mystery) and Pluto (force) at this time. If I knew nothing of Caylee's case and was not emotionally attached to it, I would say that there must have been a terrible accident. I think that faster moving Mars was a trigger for an accident - there is a window of several days wherein Mars was active. (If we can trust what we have heard about when she was last seen.) Without transitting Mars in play, it could be a sudden separation (Uranus). Still with mysterious Neptune.. Transitting Pluto to her natal Venus could be symbolic of a sudden (Uranus) kidnapping (Pluto) of a maiden (Venus). Mars in this natal picture could mean she is cut (Mars) off from her life above ground. Transitting Mars during mid June is the thing that really bothers me.

    Also, the chart behind the last 911 phonecall is chilling. This is when the cry of "Where is Caylee?" came into consciousness. Soulscape, I've never turned a chart like you've shown - the concept is intriguing. Thanks for adding your analysis, I hope you add the rest of it soon. It seems we three have indeed come to many of the same things with the different methods we use.

    This is a sweet, sunny Leo child who is confused and uneasy about the rapid changes going on in her life that she has no control over. A sparkling little soul who should be the center of her family's attention in a way that does not involve this sort of tragedy. So much promise and potential here She has touched me deeply - I'm sure all here feel the same way. And HM, I will keep searching for something favorable!
    Hi Neptunian,

    It does indeed seem the three of us have come to similar conclusions despite using different methods. I was marveling about that myself this afternoon, but sadly, I must add, because of what it points to.

    I still have things to say about the #3 Phone Call to LE chart, and sadly, nothing favorable. I will post as soon as I can, hopefully later this evening, but if not, then tomorrow morning.

    I am a mother and grandmother. Reading charts like this one wrack me over the coals and break my heart.

    Thanks,
    Soulscape


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    Quote Originally Posted by housemouse View Post
    I hope that Neptunian and Soulscape will offer their opinions on the best beginner books. I suggest staying away from the "pop astrology" bokks that tell you nonsense, like "what's your love sign", and stuff like that.

    I like "Aspects in Astrology" by Sue Tompkins. Sub-title is "A Guide to Understanding Planetary Relationships in the Horoscope".

    I would be happy to email you your chart, and there is no charge, for my software does it in about 2 seconds. But! AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!

    You must have an accurate birth time and location, otherwise you will not be able to get the most personal information. I got mine from the birth records in the city where I was born, and boy, am I glad I didn't take my mother's word for it.

    She said I was born right after dinner. Come to find out that I was born at 10:30 PM, recorded on the "extra" section of my certificate.

    But, I also must tell you that astrology cannot tell you what will happen in your future. This is why the Bible warns us against "fortune-telling".

    What astrology can tell you is the kinds of energy you will feel or be dealing with at certain points in time. These can manifest in such a variety of ways that no astrologer can accurately predict anything specific.

    Also, how you respond to these energies is what makes you a unique individual. Your personal growth over the years, past experiences of a similar nature, the knowledge and wisdom you have gained from these, and the personal choices you make are much more important than the aspects themselves.

    The natal aspects, and the transiting aspects are more like a "language", and you can use this language, once you learn it, to be accepting of all of life's ups and downs.

    I hope this helps. And, once you get your chart, I can send you computer generated text, both for your natal aspects, and for transiting aspects, but you must remember that these are very general, and not specific to you, personally. They also do not integrate all the information in your chart, either, so you must do a bit of work yourself.
    ok understand and am so happy I just feel such a connection to the stars for some reason.. just don't understand why.. I have dreams and sometimes just scares the capooties out of me.. dreamed my son was married and didn't tell anyone and yep he called me 3 days later and told me he had gotten married the day before.. same with them having a baby.. dreamed they were prego and yep he called me 1 day later and told me they were. lots of other dreams too.. this was just to let you have insight..

    excited to get info and get me some books etcc.

    keep up the great work ladies.. kudos big time to you ..


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    house mouse did u see the time and dates of casey's trial i put up?? i saw where you had asked for them on a thread..

    i also have been searching like crazy for lp dob but only have come up so far with the year.. its 1939... also found out his first name is jesse leonard padilla

    will see what I can get on baez also.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MommaD View Post
    house mouse did u see the time and dates of casey's trial i put up?? i saw where you had asked for them on a thread..

    i also have been searching like crazy for lp dob but only have come up so far with the year.. its 1939... also found out his first name is jesse leonard padilla

    will see what I can get on baez also.
    His first name is Jesse? Isn't that a coincidence! You are a good sleuther, MommaD! I did see those dates... I am hoping for a time for that first hearing on the 22nd of July. I have been watching the videos of them, but have to get my husband put to bed now.

    He has Parkinson's and needs my help with the physical stuff. Will be back on later, maybe, if I don't run out of energy!


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    Analysis of Cindy’s #3 Phone Call to LE – Part 2

    Hello All,

    In Part 1, the last thing I stated was:

    The Sun (Caylee) is partile (in the same degree) inconjunct (150 degrees) Neptune --- the modern ruler of the turned 8th House of Death. Uranus is conjunct the turned 8th House of Death. The Fixed Star Scheat (not on chart) is just inside the turned 8th House of Death, at 29:29 Pisces and it is square the Moon/Pluto conjunction (28 – 29 Sagittarius) in the radix chart’s 11th House of Death in the Family.

    The 150 degree inconjunct or quincunx is an angle of irritation and stress, and in horary, often linked to illness, accident and even death, likely because the 6th (sickness/health) & 8th (death) houses are 150 degrees (quincunx) the Ascendant (the body, or the health center).

    Here we’ve got the Sun which is Caylee’s significator in this chart -- AND IN GENERAL symbolizes Life/ being alive -- in a very uncomfortable (quincunx) 150 degree aspect to Neptune, which is a planet that dissolves anything it touches. In other words, her life (Sun) slipping away (Neptune).

    The placement of the Fixed Star Scheat just inside the turned 8th House of Death is troubling. Scheat connotes just what it sounds like …. Notice that at 29:29 Pisces, Scheat is conjunct Casey’s natal 28 Pisces Sun. The image I get is coming home and finding the bird cage door open, the birdie gone and the cat standing there with a feather hanging out of his mouth…pretty incriminating… and don’t forget, both Scheat (and Casey’s natal Sun) square the #3 Phone Call to LE chart’s Moon/Pluto conjunction (28-29 Sagittarius). Astrologically, this is not a pretty picture.

    And it gets worse.

    There is a Fixed Star called Alcyone, also known as the Pleiades, located at 00 Gemini. This star symbolizes the seven weeping sisters and gives **something to cry about.**

    Alcyone is exactly on the IC (4th House cusp). This is very important for two reasons: (1) In horary, the 4th House gives The End of the Matter (how things turn out), and (2) in traditional horary, the mother is assigned to the 10th House. Since we turned the chart for Caylee making the 7th House her 1st House, if you count 10 houses with House 7 being #1, House 8 being #2, etc., you will see Caylee’s 10th House of the Mother would be the radix 4th House. So Alcyone’s placement there tells me the end of this matter is something to cry about, and its placement exactly on the cusp of the house symbolizing Caylee’s mother shouts to me that the mother Casey is the reason there is something to cry about. (Please note, Alcyone’s placement does NOT mean the mother killed the child, but it leaves no doubt whatsoever that whatever happened to Caylee was through her mother Casey’s actions or inactions.

    The Part of Death (not shown) is located at 15:40 Scorpio, located in the turned 3rd House of the neighborhood. This suggests she died near her home. Scorpio is a sign of passion and violence (ruled by Mars and co-ruled by Pluto), so it is likely an aggressive act that killed her. The Part of Death is square the Nodes and the Nodes are conjunct the Ascendant/Descendant axis --- strong indication of death. The Part of Death is disposited by Mars, the traditional ruler of Scorpio, located at 8:39 Virgo in the turned 1st House. Notice Mars (anger, violence, aggression, rage, murder) is partile (in the same degree) sextile (60 degrees) Mercury, ruler of the turned 10th House of the Mother and the radix 4th House End of the Matter. This is another chilling testimony that whatever happened to Caylee was the result of the mother Casey’s actions or non-actions.

    In a horary chart, the planet the Moon last passed over shows what happened. Here, the Moon last passed over Mars --- anger, aggression violence, rage, murder --- which is just separating from a conjunction with Saturn (death indicator) and then passed over the Part of Death (death indicator), and now is applying within 28 minutes of Arc to a conjunction with Pluto (death indicator).

    So where is Caylee? According to the teachings of Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson, you will find the person where the significator is located by House and sign. (See Simplified Horary Astrology)

    Caylee is signified by the Sun, located in the turned 12th House/ radix 6th House at 23:54 Cancer. The 6th/ 12th houses are cadent houses. She will be found farther off and may be lost, hidden or secluded, perhaps sent away, in a neighborhood different from that of the querent (Cindy, because she placed the call to LE).

    The Sun (Caylee) is in Cancer: reservoirs, wells, cisterns, fountains, pools, marshes, ditches, moats, canals, water-ways and run-offs, rivers and their banks, lakes, ponds, hydrants and plumbing lines.

    The direction of Cancer is NORTH, and being a water sign, indicates lowlands (below sea level).

    The direction by house and sign is WEST NORTH WEST. The mileage is calculated based on the celestial latitude of the planet that is the significator (the SUN) and the difference in degrees between that planet and the MOON.
    Sun is a 00 Latitude giving 1 mile according to Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson. The difference in degrees between significator SUN and the Moon is 4 degrees 46 minutes. 46 minutes is approximately ¾ of 60 (60 minutes in a degree), so the indication is that Caylee is approximately 4.75 miles away from her home in a WEST NORTH WEST DIRECTION, or its opposite, EAST SOUTH EAST. (If you superimpose the chart over a land map, you will see the SUN (Caylee) in the EAST SOUTH EAST area.) (See Simplified Horary Astrology page 72)

    Ok... I’m gonna stop now because I’m depressing myself. The connections between Caylee’s natal chart and the #3 Phone Call to LE chart only confirm what I see in the stand-alone #3 Phone Call to LE chart.

    I can only pray that LE gets to the bottom of this case soon. I hope to God my analysis is wrong, wrong, wrong. But I don't think it is...

    Taking a break,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulscape View Post
    Hello All,

    Ok... I’m gonna stop now because I’m depressing myself. The connections between Caylee’s natal chart and the #3 Phone Call to LE chart only confirm what I see in the stand-alone #3 Phone Call to LE chart.

    I can only pray that LE gets to the bottom of this case soon. I hope to God my analysis is wrong, wrong, wrong. But I don't think it is...

    Taking a break,
    Thanks,
    Soulscape
    <snipped with the utmost respect>

    Wow Soulscape. So saddened by this. I have tried and tried to believe that sweet Caylee was still on this earth. Still don't know how such a sweet, happy and well-loved child would end up like this. I sooo wish that someone, anyone in LE had an open mind about this science, if only to search what you saw......if only to pick up what is left of that child and give her some dignity. Why and how could Casey. As a mother of 3, I will never understand. I wish I could find Casey's birth time. If only to try to explain this tragedy to my mind becuse my heart will never understand. Thank you so much Soulscape, I can only imagine how hard this was for you. You will be in my prayers tonight along with Caylee. God Bless, Catherine


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    Soulscape........what Lovejac said.


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    Soulscape, HouseMouse and Gang, I am wondering, and forgive the question in advance if it is grossly novice, if your work can predict a future event? Also can you advise how much of your interpretation of your data is intuitive, from experience, etc..
    I am very active on the general thread and there is not a thing I have read there that has not been confirmed on here so I am fascinated. Bumping this thread on there now.


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