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    PA - Watts Twp., WhtFem 11UFPA, 15-30, AKA "Girl With The Turquoise Jewelry", Jun'79

    Unidentified White Female




    • The victim was discovered on June 20, 1979 in Watts Township, Perry County, Pennsylvania
    • Estimated Date of Death: Summer/Fall 1978

    Vital Statistics




    • Estimated age: 18-30 years old
    • Approximate Height: 5 feet 4 inches
    • Approximate Weight: 115 lbs.
    • Distinguishing Characteristics: Light brown to blonde, medium-length, straight hair. Victim was a petite white female.
    • Clothing: Blue, wool twill knit pants, red thread. White lace blouse. Dark blue, ribbed tank-top. Tan “Mushroom black" label jacket/shirt with zipper on right upper pocket, button down front. White or tan bra, “A” cup. Red and gray, Argyle type socks. White leather buckle-type shoes, inside leather stamped with “G48175 1973”, Size estimated at 8 ¼ inches.
    • Jewelry: Silver, Avon Brand, buckle chain bracelet (right wrist). Sterling silver, Indian type, oblong ring with Turquoise and Onyx stone. Sterling silver, Indian type, Turquoise, oblong Ring, with matching tear-drop earrings and oblong necklace pendant. Sterling silver ring, with black Onyx stone.
    • Fingerprints: Not Available
    • Dentals: Dental Chart available.


    • The teeth were generally in good repair. The following teeth were found to be missing: 2, 3, 16, 17 and 32. The third molar areas were healed, implying removal of third molars, excepting the maxillary right third molar, or failure of development of those teeth. The few restorations that were present in the teeth were small, conservative restorations, skillfully placed. Class 1 Occlusions. Narrow archway. Absence of periodontal disease. Little wear on teeth, implying young adult in early twenties to early thirties.
    • DNA: Not available as of 6/1/08.




    Jewelry & Clothing
    Case History

    The victim was located on Route 322 Eastbound, over an embankment near the Juniata River, approximately 16 miles west of Harrisburg, PA. Cause of death could not be determined.

    DNA profile not available as of 6/1/08.

    Jewelry may be Navajo and Zuni, originating from New Mexico-Arizona region


    Investigators

    If you have any information about this case please contact:

    Pennsylvania State Police
    Trooper Donald L. Chewning
    717-567-3110

    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.


    Agency Case Number: H05-149355

    NCIC Number: U-853394087

    Please refer to these numbers when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.


    Source Information:
    Pennsylvania State Police
    Doenetwork Case File 11UFPA

    LINK:
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/11ufpa.html
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 05-12-2013 at 05:31 PM.

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    PA - UID Female 11UFPA, Watts Township, 1979 to: MA - Simone Ridinger, Sherborn, 1979

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/11ufpa.html
    https://identifyus.org/cases/5166

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1255dfma.html


    I think this person has a good possibility of being Simone Stephanie Ridinger who went missing in September 1977. The Estimated Date of Death is fall 78-spring 79, but from what I've seen they can be off a year.

    She fits the physical, hair color, height, age, weight. And Simone was known to wear lots of jewelery and the doe was found with a bunch of it. Also it lists Simone's necklace as a turquoise stone, which was also found on the doe. What do you guys think? I checked our rule outs and the Namus rule outs, Simone is not one of them.
    Last edited by Salem; 05-21-2010 at 06:19 PM. Reason: Update title

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    I think this looks possible - worth submitting.

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    According to DoeNet, both the UID and SSR are in CODIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    According to DoeNet, both the UID and SSR are in CODIS.
    So does that mean she has been ruled out and is not listed on the rule outs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billylee View Post
    So does that mean she has been ruled out and is not listed on the rule outs?
    It means that if they were a match, CODIS should have identified it. There is a small chance that CODIS returned a false negative, but you won't get the authorities to check it manually unless there is an extremely compelling reason to do so.

    David VanNorman of the San Bernadino County ME office had a back-and-forth with the State of California DNA lab about whether CODIS has false negatives. He wanted the lab to manually check a possible match even though they both were in CODIS. The state lab refused, arguing that it was a non-match by virtue of the fact that CODIS did not hit on it as a match, and they were unaware of any instances of false negatives in CODIS. Van Norman subsequently proved that CODIS does have false negatives. A Ridgecrest CA case didn't trigger a CODIS hit until the family submitted samples from three separate family members.

    CODIS rule-outs by default will not go on any lists, because nobody is ever notified that they did not match. There is only a notification if they do match.

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    IIRC, Simone did not have any fillings either....let me find you some links, BRB.
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    Dentals are available on Simone-her teeth were near perfect according to Detective Hebb who is the primary on her case.

    BUT-here is Simone's NAMUS listing
    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2779/0/

    Her DNA might be in the MA State Police Database rather than CODIS...and her dental charts have not been entered either....

    Carl do you know that it is in CODIS? If not a quick email to Det Hebb can confirm whether or not Simone has been compared to this case...

    eta: Uh duh-doe network is reporting her DNA in CODIS. Det Hebb might want to look anyway-he is a no stone left unturned kind of guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    Dentals are available on Simone-her teeth were near perfect according to Detective Hebb who is the primary on her case.

    BUT-here is Simone's NAMUS listing
    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2779/0/

    Her DNA might be in the MA State Police Database rather than CODIS...and her dental charts have not been entered either....

    Carl do you know that it is in CODIS? If not a quick email to Det Hebb can confirm whether or not Simone has been compared to this case...

    eta: Uh duh-doe network is reporting her DNA in CODIS. Det Hebb might want to look anyway-he is a no stone left unturned kind of guy.
    My understanding is that often, the samples are initially entered in state DNA databases, and then periodically uploaded from the state systems to CODIS. I know that it works that way for California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    My understanding is that often, the samples are initially entered in state DNA databases, and then periodically uploaded from the state systems to CODIS. I know that it works that way for California.
    TY-shhh, but we arent quite that evolved here in MA. We like to keep them in the state police Database and then have the samples compared....so I have heard. Given the determination of Det Hebb, he may have insisted on DNA into CODIS. He used to receive visits from Simone's mother every November at the start of hunting season...she was hoping someone would finally stumble over her bones you see...

    Mom has since passed and Det Hebb told me that he is the only one left to care about this special young woman. (Except for us and the others who keep track of her!!!)
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    Sorry, I had to take off right after I asked the CODIS question, but thanks for the answer. This is such a perfect match for Simone, and since there is a possibility of a CODIS failure, maybe I should send Detective Hebb an email AND the PA medical examiner AND the Namus Contact. If this possible match has been thoroughly examined then, if nothing else, it will result in a rule out on the Namus page, correct? (Still trying to understand how all this works )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billylee View Post
    If this possible match has been thoroughly examined then, if nothing else, it will result in a rule out on the Namus page, correct? (Still trying to understand how all this works )
    Since CODIS cycles through every UID case in the system and compares each one to every MP case in the system, a CODIS rule-out list would be thousands of names long.

    But if LE or the ME does a manual check, then yes, it should be listed in NamUs. However, in practice, most do not bother to list them.

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    Billylee gave me the go ahead...

    I sent the possible match off to Det.Hebb and will post any response he sends....

    Fingers crossed that this leads to Simone...I would love to know what happened to her and I know he is retiring soon and would love to put this case "to bed".
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    Just too compelling not to double check, thanks Believe09!

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    I heard back from Det Hebb

    He is diving in to this possible match. He also shared with me that there is a new forensic odontologist in MA who is re-evaluating Simone's dental records and who will be entering the data into NAMUS.

    If I hear anything more, I will share ASAP.

    Good job Billy...
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