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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzikman View Post
    Casey picked a name and address out of the phone book, went in herself and filled out a card with Zenaida's info, putting in a false phone number.

    In other words, the beginning of her setting up the story of the "nanny".

    If the date were actually April 17, how would casey have gotten Zenaida's info? Known that Z had actually been at Sawgrass?

    If the date were June 17, Casey did it herself.

    Make sense to you yet?
    That doesn't make sense to me.

    The police tracked down the ZG from the Sawgrass. See Page 5 of Arrest Affidavit. She was contacted and was willing to complete a sworn statement. Casey didn't fill out the card with ZG's info. It has been confirmed that A "ZG" had filled out the card.

    But that doesn't mean Casey wasn't there and had seen this. We just don't know if she was there. It is quite possible she had seen the place. The manager and maintenance person said they had never saw Caylee. (Page 4 of Arrest Affidavit) I find it interesting that they didn't confirm or deny seeing Casey (at least in what the detective mentioned in the affidavit).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzikman View Post
    Casey picked a name and address out of the phone book, went in herself and filled out a card with Zenaida's info, putting in a false phone number.

    In other words, the beginning of her setting up the story of the "nanny".

    If the date were actually April 17, how would casey have gotten Zenaida's info? Known that Z had actually been at Sawgrass?

    If the date were June 17, Casey did it herself.

    Make sense to you yet?
    NO!

    Police called the ZG that filled out the card and talked to her. This ZG doesn't know Casey or Caylee.

    If this new date is true all it means is that the theory about Casey having seen the card somehow recently and got the crazy idea to pin a murder on her is more believable than if Casey somehow remembered her name for three months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wedavis View Post
    The part about not being able to contact this particular ZG contradicts the affidavit, which states that LE called the number on the renter card and they talked to this ZG, who denied any knowledge of Caylee, Casey etc.

    Additionally, LE showed Casey this ZG's pic and Casey didn't know her.
    Ahhhh.... but did the police show the manager, or ask the manager when Casey was with them, if they had ever seen Casey before? Maybe Casey was there the day ZG showed up to look at the apt. Why....who knows. But Casey got this info from somewhere, in my opinion. Maybe she was there for some reason...

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    WKMG reported this at 6pm today. I heard it. It's not posted on their web site yet.

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    I would also be interested to see a link...

    but it is very interesting new info, if it is true.
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    I'm sorry, I know this has already been asked, but I don't remember seeing an answer. Do they have video cameras on the premises? Or photocopy photo id's of possible renters? The complex where I live does this...

    I agree that it's possible that she might have gone to the Sawgrass looking with Amy, or even on her own. I'm sure if this is true, Amy has been to LE with this info.

    But the fact that the apartment she pointed out as being "ZG's" is in the building as the "floor model" apartment, is very interesting, in my opinion. I'm anxious to find out if this is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
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    Ahhhh.... but did the police show the manager, or ask the manager when Casey was with them, if they had ever seen Casey before? Maybe Casey was there the day ZG showed up to look at the apt. Why....who knows. But Casey got this info from somewhere, in my opinion. Maybe she was there for some reason...

    Salem

    No Casey was not with them and they didn't ask. I don't think police care how Casey may have "made up" this name.

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    Re-watching this (I DVR'd it), don't know why KMG doesn't have it up on their website yet. So far it's been exclusive to them - and I watch and/or DVR ALL FOUR local station's newscasts, as each of them have come up with new details at times - although I think WESH has done the best overall so far.

    They report asking the Sheriff's office about it - "Is it possible Casey went there posing as Gonzeles?" Sheriff's office replied "That cannot be ruled out." But "will not discuss significance of individual dates."

    Card was Hand-written, the person that filled it out had sloppy handwriting, which is how they mis-construed that date.

    So they have made investigators aware of this discrepancy, I would think they would be following up pretty quickly.

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    This makes me wonder who works there that is friends with Casey or an accomplice in some way? That date could have been changed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by liltigress View Post
    This makes me wonder who works there that is friends with Casey or an accomplice in some way? That date could have been changed?
    No, it would be the exact opposite. The new date would more damning AGAINST Casey.

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    Who owns this property? Sawgrass Apartments is not listed with the Florida Department of State. Who holds the deed to this property? Who is responsible for leasing these apartments? What are the actual names of the people who own/lease Sawgrass? Could this be yet another 'dummy' real estate deal? Any local person could walk into the courthouse and research the deed for this address. I would be much obliged to know who holds the deed. I would love to know the name of the person or corporation which owns/leases this particular piece of property. I cannot find it. Just like everything else in this case, it is shrouded in some inexplicable mystery.

    Why did Casey lead police to Sawgrass Apartments? Who owns the place? Which specific leasing agent handled the ZG card? There is some tiny kernel of truth behind every lie thus far. I am so ready for some honest truthful facts! But the most basic simple facts are almost impossible to locate in this case. I keep wondering why there is such a blackout smokescreen about everything, even things which have absolutely nothing to do with the crazy family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truly View Post
    Who owns this property? Sawgrass Apartments is not listed with the Florida Department of State. Who holds the deed to this property? Who is responsible for leasing these apartments? What are the actual names of the people who own/lease Sawgrass? Could this be yet another 'dummy' real estate deal? Any local person could walk into the courthouse and research the deed for this address. I would be much obliged to know who holds the deed. I would love to know the name of the person or corporation which owns/leases this particular piece of property. I cannot find it. Just like everything else in this case, it is shrouded in some inexplicable mystery.

    Why did Casey lead police to Sawgrass Apartments? Who owns the place? Which specific leasing agent handled the ZG card? There is some tiny kernel of truth behind every lie thus far. I am so ready for some honest truthful facts! But the most basic simple facts are almost impossible to locate in this case. I keep wondering why there is such a blackout smokescreen about everything, even things which have absolutely nothing to do with the crazy family.
    Well after going up and down Conway and looking at all the owners and addresses, the closest I can find is Sea Cove Apartments at 2859 S Conway. I'll look some more tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truly View Post
    Who owns this property? Sawgrass Apartments is not listed with the Florida Department of State. Who holds the deed to this property? Who is responsible for leasing these apartments? What are the actual names of the people who own/lease Sawgrass? Could this be yet another 'dummy' real estate deal? Any local person could walk into the courthouse and research the deed for this address. I would be much obliged to know who holds the deed. I would love to know the name of the person or corporation which owns/leases this particular piece of property. I cannot find it. Just like everything else in this case, it is shrouded in some inexplicable mystery.

    Why did Casey lead police to Sawgrass Apartments? Who owns the place? Which specific leasing agent handled the ZG card? There is some tiny kernel of truth behind every lie thus far. I am so ready for some honest truthful facts! But the most basic simple facts are almost impossible to locate in this case. I keep wondering why there is such a blackout smokescreen about everything, even things which have absolutely nothing to do with the crazy family.
    Property Name:SAWGRASS APARTMENTSOwner Name(s):P A C LAND II LTD

    2859 is part of the same complex as 2863. On title records it is called Sea Grove Apts and on property tax roll it is Saw Grass Apts. So they changed the name at some point, but the owner is still the same.

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    What's interesting is that the apt complex had noted that ZG's phone number wasn't valid. Coincidentally, Casey somehow knew to say the supposed call she got from Caylee was from a number no longer in service, if I recall correctly. So that could possibly mean that Casey saw ZG's card at Sawgrass sometime after the 25th, after the notation had been made on ZG's card that her phone number was invalid.

    Was she looking for a scapegoat or was she being nosy and reading the application cards while she talked to or waited for someone? Does anyone at all who works in the office of that apt complex remember ever having seen Casey? Could she have visited wearing a cap and sunglasses and given a false name herself?

    I don't know what types of leads are ones LE thinks are worth chasing and which aren't, but I think it might be worthwhile to track down every person who left a contact card during that period of time to verify that they do indeed exist and had indeed visited the complex.

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    According to WKMG Local 6 a few minutes ago, the Zenaida Gonzalez card at Sawgrass Apts, where she supposedly checked out an apartment, is dated JUNE 17 not APRIL 17 as stated in the police report.

    According to WKMG, who talked to Sawgrass Apt. management, the card was sloppily filled out, which is where the 4/17 date came from. Also, when they tried following up with the potential renter by phone on 6/25, the phone number was invalid.

    Also, the apartment Casey led detectives to - #210 - is directly below the Model unit - #212 - used to show potential renters.

    This is a potentially huge timeline change in my opinion, not favorable to Casey. This video report was not up on Local6.com yet, I DVR'd and just watched.
    Actually #212 is the apartment of the Music producer Williams guy. We discussed this already and he is associated with the Fucian Club. There is a thread on here already about this apartment #212 IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzikman View Post
    Re-watching this (I DVR'd it), don't know why KMG doesn't have it up on their website yet. So far it's been exclusive to them - and I watch and/or DVR ALL FOUR local station's newscasts, as each of them have come up with new details at times - although I think WESH has done the best overall so far.

    They report asking the Sheriff's office about it - "Is it possible Casey went there posing as Gonzeles?" Sheriff's office replied "That cannot be ruled out." But "will not discuss significance of individual dates."

    Card was Hand-written, the person that filled it out had sloppy handwriting, which is how they mis-construed that date.

    So they have made investigators aware of this discrepancy, I would think they would be following up pretty quickly.
    That doesn't change the fact that on page 4 and 5 of the affidavit, they confirm that they did speak with a ZG who filled out the card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsRyber View Post
    That doesn't change the fact that on page 4 and 5 of the affidavit, they confirm that they did speak with a ZG who filled out the card.
    It does NOT state that she filled out the card or had ever been to Sawgrass. Just that they had spoken to the Zenaida identified from the Sawgrass records - and her info could have been pulled from a phonebook.

    They have not released her statement, so we don't actually KNOW that this Zenaida was EVER at Sawgrass.

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    No video of last nights 6 PM report on the Local 6 site - I wish there were, because it was much more detailed than this.

    Or that there was an easy way for me to transfer my DVR recordings to Youtube. They do not seem to be putting up complete news broadcast coverage, and the local news reports often are much more detailed than what they end up posting on their sites.


    http://www.local6.com/news/17108143/detail.html
    Baby Sitter Remains Mystery

    Deputies are still trying to figure out exactly when Caylee vanished and are not ruling out that her mother, Casey, may have posed as the mystery baby sitter no one can find.
    Casey Anthony maintains the last time she saw her daughter was the day she dropped her off with a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez at the Sawgrass Apartments in Orlando.
    According to the original arrest report from July 15, someone by the name of Zenaida Gonzalez looked at an apartment on April 17, 2008.
    Local 6 has confirmed with apartment managers that the incident didn't happen in April but on June 17.
    The date is important because Caylee was last seen two days before on June 15, Local 6's Lauren Rowe said.
    Sawgrass managers said on June 17, someone came to inquire about an apartment.
    Investigators said the person filled-out a guest card using the name Zenaida Gonzalez and the person who wrote it had sloppy handwriting.
    Someone misread the date when filing out an original arrest record, Local 6 reported.
    Sources told Local 6 that when apartment managers tried to follow up with the woman after June 25, the phone number she gave was no longer valid.
    And the apartment where Anthony said she left Caylee had been vacant for about six months, Local 6 has learned.
    Investigators said they located a woman named Zenaida Gonzales but she said she'd never heard of Caylee or Casey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzikman View Post
    It does NOT state that she filled out the card or had ever been to Sawgrass. Just that they had spoken to the Zenaida identified from the Sawgrass records - and her info could have been pulled from a phonebook.

    They have not released her statement, so we don't actually KNOW that this Zenaida was EVER at Sawgrass.
    This is the same information I have seen Muzikman. If Gonzalez did say she filled out the card I would appreciate a link to that info so we can determineif the source is credible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzikman View Post
    It does NOT state that she filled out the card or had ever been to Sawgrass. Just that they had spoken to the Zenaida identified from the Sawgrass records - and her info could have been pulled from a phonebook.

    They have not released her statement, so we don't actually KNOW that this Zenaida was EVER at Sawgrass.
    This was my understanding of the apartment issue as well, I just don't know where people are getting this information that Zenaida filled out a card and looked at an apartment?

    I think it is more believeable that casey filled out this card herself after either getting this woman's name out of the phone book or unbeknowst to Zenaida she was in the vicinity of casey once (at a park, a restaurant..etc) and casey overheard information about her and decided that this woman would be her alibi.

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    Fox News National reporter on the scene a few minutes ago saying that this discrepancy is being checked into now by the Sheriff's Dept. at the apartment complex.

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    She may have been looking at apartmentd for herself & Caylee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muzikman View Post
    According to WKMG Local 6 a few minutes ago, the Zenaida Gonzalez card at Sawgrass Apts, where she supposedly checked out an apartment, is dated JUNE 17 not APRIL 17 as stated in the police report.

    According to WKMG, who talked to Sawgrass Apt. management, the card was sloppily filled out, which is where the 4/17 date came from. Also, when they tried following up with the potential renter by phone on 6/25, the phone number was invalid.

    Also, the apartment Casey led detectives to - #210 - is directly below the Model unit - #212 - used to show potential renters.

    This is a potentially huge timeline change in my opinion, not favorable to Casey. This video report was not up on Local6.com yet, I DVR'd and just watched.

    Maybe Casey was really looking for apartments ,before whatever happened to Caylee happened?

    She could have heard people talking and ran with the info?And used it when she had to?
    To set things up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzikman View Post
    It does NOT state that she filled out the card or had ever been to Sawgrass. Just that they had spoken to the Zenaida identified from the Sawgrass records - and her info could have been pulled from a phonebook.

    They have not released her statement, so we don't actually KNOW that this Zenaida was EVER at Sawgrass.
    Hmmmm.... so it's still possible that Casey herself posed as ZG and filled out the card... leaving a fake number because she doesn't want ZG to actually get a call back from the rental office.

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    That's what I think also, LI Mom.

    If they can prove this, it would mean that Casey was conspiring to create the whole nanny story ahead of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzikman View Post
    That's what I think also, LI Mom.

    If they can prove this, it would mean that Casey was conspiring to create the whole nanny story ahead of time.
    Exactly!

    Either Casey was there & saw the card already filled out & figured it was as good a lie as any OR she actually planned this all very carefully.

    Either way.... she DID know in advance to say the ZG phone number was NOT a 'good' number.


    Would be SO interesting to know what they keep looking for each time they return to the house.....

    Personally, I think Casey is fried.... it's just a matter of time.

    I also think a whole lot of people in LE would like nothing better than to officially charge her with murder BEFORE Caylee's 'birthday party' on Saturday.

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