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    Thoughts about Jose Baez investigators

    Who/what do you think they are investigating?

    Tony
    Jesse
    Amy
    The house in Oveida.
    Leads in other states
    Other ZG's

    Sometimes it helps to think like the defense. Obviously they would be investigating leads that would provide reasonable doubt or things that are positvie for Casey.


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    I would hope they're doing the pizza experiment; both cooked and uncooked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by absolut View Post
    Who/what do you think they are investigating?

    Tony
    Jesse
    Amy
    The house in Oveida.
    Leads in other states
    Other ZG's

    Sometimes it helps to think like the defense. Obviously they would be investigating leads that would provide reasonable doubt or things that are positvie for Casey.
    they are trying to muddy the future jury...
    btw is Oviedo :-)

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    Reasonable Doubt

    What does an ambitious defense attorney do when his own investigators return, after weeks of utilizing every source available to them, empty handed?

    "Mr. Baez, sir, we have been unable to find any information about the nanny, her identity, her address, her work history, education, etc...., based on the details provided by Ms. Anthony."

    Would/could they surmise that Casey had been duped by an agent of an international baby napping ring?

    Many Sleuther's have been asking the question of why Mr. Baez would allow his client to be bonded out and placed in the hands of Leonard Padilla.

    During Mr. Padilla's interview with Nancy Grace, I believe he made a comment to the effect of, the nanny could have sold Caylee, as a child of Caylee's age and beauty would be very valuable.

    In order to have a convincing premise of nefarious involvement, who better to allege this scenario than a world famous bounty hunter. After questioning Casey and utilizing every one of his investigative sources, could/would he be able to testify to the fact that all his leads pointed in the direction of an abduction by some international ring?

    Law enforcement agencies around the world know of the existence of these rings, but have had limited success in investigating and prosecuting such activities. Mr. Padilla may then be able to profess his belief that this occurred, but was unable to track the perpetrators due to their secretiveness and perhaps some form of governmental corruption. Thus providing Mr. Baez with an alternative explanation of Caylees disappearance and therefore, reasonable doubt.

    This is just my theory on WHY Mr. Baez would place his client with Mr. Padilla.

    Yes, I know that there is likely evidence that will disprove this theory of mine.

    I'm just saying, he has to have some plausible explanation to influence the jury toward a reasonable doubt.

    Please note, It is not my intent to cast any aspersions toward Mr. Padilla, I'm just searching for possible reasons too!!!

    Thanks for listening to my idea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelmaClue View Post
    I would hope they're doing the pizza experiment; both cooked and uncooked.
    LOL did you see that reporter in Orlando that did the pizza experiment early on in the case? I was laughing so hard when they found that it didn't smell AT ALL.

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    I think the word out should also be in

    Mexico

    Puerto Rico

    plus all over the world
    I thought it was?
    but if it isn't...
    I doubt that dragging that big billboard around is going to jog anybody's memories if it has n't so far/




    #789UMCO unidentified found The victim was discovered on September 8, 2004 in the Flat Tops, White River National Forest, Garfield County, Colorado
    Estimated Date of Death: No longer than 5 years prior to discovery he left a note to "LIB"
    PLEASE HELP me find out who this unidentified person is so he can be buried rightfully near his family...


    I DO NOT TOLERATE HARASSMENT...

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    I hope Baez can be a bit objective

    Quote Originally Posted by ClockWatcher View Post
    What does an ambitious defense attorney do when his own investigators return, after weeks of utilizing every source available to them, empty handed?

    "Mr. Baez, sir, we have been unable to find any information about the nanny, her identity, her address, her work history, education, etc...., based on the details provided by Ms. Anthony."

    Would/could they surmise that Casey had been duped by an agent of an international baby napping ring?

    Many Sleuther's have been asking the question of why Mr. Baez would allow his client to be bonded out and placed in the hands of Leonard Padilla.

    During Mr. Padilla's interview with Nancy Grace, I believe he made a comment to the effect of, the nanny could have sold Caylee, as a child of Caylee's age and beauty would be very valuable.

    In order to have a convincing premise of nefarious involvement, who better to allege this scenario than a world famous bounty hunter. After questioning Casey and utilizing every one of his investigative sources, could/would he be able to testify to the fact that all his leads pointed in the direction of an abduction by some international ring?

    Law enforcement agencies around the world know of the existence of these rings, but have had limited success in investigating and prosecuting such activities. Mr. Padilla may then be able to profess his belief that this occurred, but was unable to track the perpetrators due to their secretiveness and perhaps some form of governmental corruption. Thus providing Mr. Baez with an alternative explanation of Caylees disappearance and therefore, reasonable doubt.

    This is just my theory on WHY Mr. Baez would place his client with Mr. Padilla.

    Yes, I know that there is likely evidence that will disprove this theory of mine.

    I'm just saying, he has to have some plausible explanation to influence the jury toward a reasonable doubt.

    Please note, It is not my intent to cast any aspersions toward Mr. Padilla, I'm just searching for possible reasons too!!!

    Thanks for listening to my idea!


    He needs to be objective.
    Not totally believing everything Casey tells him.
    He needs to step back a bit.
    Analyze.

    Question.

    HE can not defend a person who does not trust him can he?




    #789UMCO unidentified found The victim was discovered on September 8, 2004 in the Flat Tops, White River National Forest, Garfield County, Colorado
    Estimated Date of Death: No longer than 5 years prior to discovery he left a note to "LIB"
    PLEASE HELP me find out who this unidentified person is so he can be buried rightfully near his family...


    I DO NOT TOLERATE HARASSMENT...

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    Quote Originally Posted by websurfer View Post
    He needs to be objective.
    Not totally believing everything Casey tells him.
    He needs to step back a bit.
    Analyze.

    Question.

    HE can not defend a person who does not trust him can he?
    The first thing they tell you in law school is "never believe what your client tells you." Immediately after this they tell you "You must represent your client zealously."

    That being said, he knows she is a liar, but his job is to do whatever he can (that is not unethical or illegal) to disprove the evidence that the prosecution has so that there will be reasonable doubt. Should he step back and be objective, he would be compromising his defense, if I am understanding your statement. If she gets convicted because of he has not done his job properly, the conviction can be reversed on appeal (unless it was a harmless error and she would have been convicted anyway).

    The PI's he has working for him...I hope that they are not stomping around in the woods looking for a body. This would likely kill his defense--no body, no way to prove Caylee was murdered. They can prosecute without a body (based on the decomp evidence if it is Caylee's) but a body would kill his defense, because he can claim that she died accidently.

    Likely, they are doing interviews and collecting statements so they can use it in her defense. Which, they should completely be doing if it will help her case.

    Yes he can rep someone that doesn't trust him. She is ultimately in charge of her case. She can fire him and hire a new atty or have the court appoint her an atty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by websurfer View Post
    He needs to be objective.
    Not totally believing everything Casey tells him.
    He needs to step back a bit.
    Analyze.

    Question.

    HE can not defend a person who does not trust him can he?
    Websurfer, I agree with your thoughts. As to your last question.........

    It is Mr. Baez's job to defend his client. He will do his best to defend her civil rights and provide evidence and testamony to uphold what ever explanation he comes up with to refute his clients culpability for the charges against her. He will also do his darnedest to disprove or disallow evidence brought forth by the state.

    It may not really be an issue to him whether his client trusts him. He will do his job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by websurfer View Post

    HE can not defend a person who does not trust him can he?
    Defense lawyers do it all the time. Their job is to provide a competent defense, as in to the best of their ability with the information they have. Guilt or innocence doesn't matter, as long as they do their job correctly. They don't want an appeal of the case based on incompetent defense.


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    Clockwatcher, you are absolutely correct. He is building a defense, a defense against circumstantial evidence, by creating reasonable doubt. Yes, it's all about smoke and mirrors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by distracted View Post
    Clockwatcher, you are absolutely correct. He is building a defense, a defense against circumstantial evidence, by creating reasonable doubt. Yes, it's all about smoke and mirrors.
    Amen to that Distracted!

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    But I simply don't understand how ANY lawyer can explain Casey's party pictures and not reporting her daughter missing for 31 days--and ONLY because her mother called 911...otherwise she would've continued to stay silent. WHAT "legitimate" reason could she have?

    As my tag line says...Actions speak louder than words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoriKeet View Post
    But I simply don't understand how ANY lawyer can explain Casey's party pictures and not reporting her daughter missing for 31 days--and ONLY because her mother called 911...otherwise she would've continued to stay silent. WHAT "legitimate" reason could she have?

    As my tag line says...Actions speak louder than words.
    Because you have a kind and loving heart. You conduct your life in a manner that never needs to explain bad behavior. A defense attorney on the other hand spends every working moment doing "damage control" for his client's behavior's.

    Put on your "Creative excuses for bad behavior Hat" and I'm sure you could come up with a plausible explanation. Only takes one juror to buy into the reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClockWatcher View Post
    Many Sleuther's have been asking the question of why Mr. Baez would allow his client to be bonded out and placed in the hands of Leonard Padilla.
    Yeah, but where IS the babysitter? WHO is this babysitter? Does she exist? Where has she ever lived? Has anyone ever seen her with Caylee? Where did Casey drop Caley off to this babyseller? Why would she lie about it? Why can't she tell the police where she put her baby? If her baby had been taken away why would she wait a month to report it and then stonewall the police?

    During Mr. Padilla's interview with Nancy Grace, I believe he made a comment to the effect of, the nanny could have sold Caylee, as a child of Caylee's age and beauty would be very valuable.

    ...

    Law enforcement agencies around the world know of the existence of these rings, but have had limited success in investigating and prosecuting such activities. Mr. Padilla may then be able to profess his belief that this occurred, but was unable to track the perpetrators due to their secretiveness and perhaps some form of governmental corruption. Thus providing Mr. Baez with an alternative explanation of Caylees disappearance and therefore, reasonable doubt.
    Ok, but then we're back to why wouldn't a mother want to immediately report the missing child to hopefully thwart any such scheme by actively co-operating with the police by telling them where she left the child, and with whom, with stunning accuracy rather than waiting a month, obfuscating with one lie after another, then silence, wasting a second month while the trail goes colder and colder. She could be convicted on that alone if there's no reasonable explanation and, unless hell is about to freeze over, THERE IS NO REASONABLE EXPLANATION for that.

    But, your explanation for Padilla is certainly plausible, particularly if Casey's lawyer is as baffled as the rest of us.

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