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    Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #21

    Please continue GENERAL discussions here. Look around Nancy has her own forum, there are several threads started on specific topics to try and stay organized.


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    I am sad such a tragedy is bringing us all together.

    I advise everyone to read the RULES of WS, Long and Short Version .


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    What was the time and day when you saw the crooked
    license tag?


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    I agree RC...I absolutely do believe the 3rd SW was for LTF.
    Card access, child care, computers, lockers....just too much @LTF to not check it out and see what ole Brad buddy was really doing there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by raisincharlie
    Wow - thats quite a security set up they have.

    Seems to me you may have just made a case for the "undisclosed location"
    RC:

    Do you mean that if LE couldn't find Nancy's ID that would give them grounds for a warrant to search locked lockers at LTF?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob&Bob View Post
    What was the time and day when you saw the crooked
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    Around 6 to 7 pm....


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    Quote Originally Posted by momto3kids View Post
    I agree RC...I absolutely do believe the 3rd SW was for LTF.
    Card access, child care, computers, lockers....just too much @LTF to not check it out and see what ole Brad buddy was really doing there.
    Yes it does seem like this would be a logical 3rd place to search and they would need a warrant to do so. You have at least 2 factors:

    1. Her LTF card is not in her possession
    2. Her husband said he went to LTF

    Smart to check things out there, esp. if there are a lot of "resources" he could use while there.


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    Skittles thank you so much for the wonderful insight to LTF. I have not joined, but my kids go quite a bit as a guest. It has really helped me to understand some things I had questions about. I do know that the employee's can't get by the desk without having their card swiped. I knew they were stringent with their rules.

    This does show what a great organized fitness club this is.

    I hope BC realizes this also and what he did at LTF will come back to haunt him IMO


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    In looking for a picture of the BMW sedan, I ran across these again. Note picture #11. They were all over the SUV, inside and out. Looks like test kits everywhere.

    http://www.newsobserver.com/news/pho...y/1142714.html

    With regard to the sedan...There is a picture of it in the driveway here http://www.bluelineradio.com/news714.html about half-way down the page. Not only does the plate look straight in that picture, it appears to be trunk lid not the bumper part of the car. He should have noticed that any time he opened the trunk. Hmmm.


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    Another thing BC could have done and it appears he didn't...call SH to go to Johnson Lake and check for NC. SH practically lives across the street from the parking lot.

    Did he call SH? NO

    BC didn't want help he wanted to cover his butt and was backed up against the wall by JA.
    PRICELESS as you say RC!


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    Quote Originally Posted by momto3kids View Post
    I have not joined, but my kids go quite a bit as a guest. It has really helped me to understand some things I had questions about. I do know that the employee's can't get by the desk without having their card swiped. I knew they were stringent with their rules.

    This does show what a great organized fitness club this is.
    Hearing the description of the great facility and all they have there, it makes me wish I lived closer so I could join (it just wouldn't make sense for me). I'm available if anyone for any reason feels they need/want to bring a guest there!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittles View Post
    RC:

    Do you mean that if LE couldn't find Nancy's ID that would give them grounds for a warrant to search locked lockers at LTF?
    Could be a combination of reasons actually. For instance if it came to LE's attention that Brad went there on Saturday and used his own card in a time frame that he said he was looking for Nancy - LE would want to review the computer records and any surveillance video that may exist, they would be wondering why he checked in, if he did. The warrant would be necessary to check the computer records as that data is private information.

    If Nancy's card was missing but it was found the card was swiped at LTF on that Saturday and Brad and several others say she ran with nothing - LE is going to research those records for that reason. If the records show she checked in - and no one has reported seeing her - chances are yes they are going to want to look in lockers to see if she left anything or if someone else did that is unaccounted for by someone.

    To me the undisclosed location is a location LE does not want someone in paticular to know they are searching. To me that suggests it is not a residence for sure and definitely not a residence that would be known to a potential suspect. This pretty much leaves commercial facilities - LTF possibly, a storage unit possibly for examples. LTF would require a warrant because it is a private membership only facility - therefore the members have an expectation of privacy - warrant essential.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SleuthyGal View Post
    Yes it does seem like this would be a logical 3rd place to search and they would need a warrant to do so. You have at least 2 factors:

    1. Her LTF card is not in her possession
    2. Her husband said he went to LTF

    Smart to check things out there, esp. if there are a lot of "resources" he could use while there.
    My only question would be why they would wait until the 25th of July to search LTF? LE knew about his trip there pretty early on from his affidavit, if not sooner.


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    Here's another thing I've often thought about (and mentioned before): here you have a good friend (perhaps a 'best' friend) who goes into FULL ON PANIC MODE when NC fails to show up within a 1-hr window of the time they were to get together.

    Now I don't know JA at all; never heard of her before this case. I have friends who are occasionally late or occasionally get tied up doing something and our plans get shifted as a result. Things don't quite start on time (I'm a punctual person so this sometimes drives me crazy). But WHY would a friend go into PANIC MODE so quickly? UNLESS that friend was already fearful that something might happen to her friend...the friend who is in a very estranged rel'p...said rel'p having gone back into "hate mode," as mentioned by the wife the night before, at the party.

    Friends don't usually go into this full on panic mode within a 3 hr timeframe. Unless said friend is like my 80 year old mother who is the Olympic Champion of Worrying (Guiness Book of World Records-level), something hit her that morning...her intuition was telling her DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER!

    She knew. In her GUT she knew. She probably wasn't even consciously aware of it but a certain knowledge or 'knowing' was given to her on a very unconcious level.

    BTW, I had the same thing happen to me the day I found out my brother had been found dead. And there is no explanation for it that can be explained by our 5 basic senses.






    I did that too SG!!! I totally understand what you're talking about.

    My BIL was in the end stages of brain cancer (GBM), after fighting for 2+ years. I'd moved in with my sister to help care for him. Our mom lived less than a 1/2 mi. from my sister's house and would come over every day around noon and stayed 'til about 6 pm. Sometimes she'd be later if she went shopping, etc. Until one Friday she didn't arrive. By 12:30 I was calling her. I had a terrible feeling. At 1 pm I was in panic mode and my sister thought I was crazy. I jumped in the car and drove to her house and that's when I found her. She'd had a hemorrhagic stroke and died that night.

    Yes, she could have been out at the grocery or any number of places but I knew, I just knew something had happened to her.

    That may be exactly what happened with JA. She was sincerely distraught in that phone call.

    Women's intuition or whatever you want to call it can be a strong signal that something is terribly wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisincharlie View Post
    To me the undisclosed location is a location LE does not want someone in particular to know they are searching. To me that suggests it is not a residence for sure and definitely not a residence that would be known to a potential suspect.
    So if LTF were the subject of that 3rd SW, then BC would NOT have been notified that LTF was being searched?

    Is there a reason he would have been notified about the Cisco SW but not this 3rd location? Because Cisco is also a commercial facility, not owned by Brad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SleuthyGal View Post
    So if LTF were the subject of that 3rd SW, then BC would NOT have been notified that LTF was being searched?

    Is there a reason he would have been notified about the Cisco SW but not this 3rd location? Because Cisco is also a commercial facility, not owned by Brad.
    I have to question that too. There's too many employees at LTF for that not to have hit the grapevine.

    I'm sticking with the SH theory. They possibly wanted his DNA.
    Hinky Dinky Parlez Vous!-Sleuthy Gal


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