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    Quote Originally Posted by pirate View Post
    This is the first I've heard of this. Yet another example of Casey's parents allowing Casey to not follow rules. After all, they gave her that car.
    This rumor was squashed. She did have a driver license per the FL DMV website and the docs.

    Oh and she did graduate high school too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    My epileptic son gets a lot of foamy type saliva running out of his mouth because he chews on his tongue something fierce during his tonic-clonics. Imagine eating with your mouth open and the saliva build up to help break down food just runs out of the mouth. I have pulled him out of a foamy pile of saliva before because he was going to drown in it.
    Aha. I'm getting an education. Thanks. I hope your son is doing OK in general.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    This rumor was squashed. She did have a driver license per the FL DMV website and the docs.

    Oh and she did graduate high school too.
    Thanks Jbean. I was wondering why this wasn't discussed more if it were true.

    Now, regarding the seizure story- I wonder if one of the defense tactics will be to have Casey checked out completely- MRI, EEG, and such to see if there are leisions on her brain. A physiological defense would be the only hope for them to get her out of murder charges.


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    I would question whether it was a true seizure or not.

    Some people will confuse other things with seizures- some panic attacks could be confused or possibly a maniac attack if she was bipolar. IMO I think there is a possibility that KC might be bipolar.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pirate View Post
    Thanks Jbean. I was wondering why this wasn't discussed more if it were true.

    Now, regarding the seizure story- I wonder if one of the defense tactics will be to have Casey checked out completely- MRI, EEG, and such to see if there are leisions on her brain. A physiological defense would be the only hope for them to get her out of murder charges.
    I would sincerely encourage this whether it is a part of a defense strategy or not.


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    Didn't her friends from her earlier years say there was a big change in her personality about 2 years ago? I always did wonder about that seizure. Her mother is a nurse and you would think she would insist on a brain scan or eeg.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Manny View Post
    Didn't her friends from her earlier years say there was a big change in her personality about 2 years ago? I always did wonder about that seizure. Her mother is a nurse and you would think she would insist on a brain scan or eeg.
    Typical protocol in ER when a person is brought in for a seizure is some testing, definitely an EEG. More exhaustive studies to rule out tumors and lesions would most likely be up to the patient after release.
    But because of HIPAA we may never know what testing was done, unless it comes out in her defense.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    Typical protocol in ER when a person is brought in for a seizure is some testing, definitely an EEG. More exhaustive studies to rule out tumors and lesions would most likely be up to the patient after release.
    But because of HIPAA we may never know what testing was done, unless it comes out in her defense.
    Thanks JBean.


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    Oh man, I hope I didn't give the defense an angle by mentioning lesions....

    But, it isn't always typical protocol in an ER to have an EEG. Last time I went to the ER for a seizure, the doc tried to tell me they didn't have an EEG tech on-call...which is BS, because I call them all of the time for different docs, and we are the highest level trauma center in Florida besides Jackson Memorial in Miami....they life-flight everyone to us.

    My instructions are : whomever is around me is to call my neurologist on his personal cell phone after a seizure. Those close to me have the number.

    By the time a seizure patient gets there, they don't even bother, usually. Ambulances don't have EEGs, either. What they have done with me is sleep deprivation EEGs. Stay up for 24 hours...usually will trigger abnormal electrical activity.

    A lot of seizure patients will NOT have abnormal readings...it's like a shot in the dark.

    I could be wrong about other hospitals, but ours does not order EEGs automatically for seizures...and we're one of the best!

    BTW - I take valium 5 mg 3x a day for my seizures...some people are ineligible for regular seizure meds. Xanax would never be Rx-ed for seizures...if her seizure was withdrawl induced, she was buying them illegally.

    Doc drew me a chart explaining the difference between xanax, klonopin and valium. Zanax has the quickest peak, and sudden drop. Klonopin follows and then valium. I am not a canidate for traditional seizure meds because of my weight and appetite problems (whole other story!! lol). I also take Marinol (synthetic THC), which helps with seizure control, as well.

    Anyway, like JBean said...every seizure patient is different, as is every doc and every ER/Hospital....but Casey most likely would have been taken to ORMC (Orlando Regional Medical Center, or Orange Park Medical Center) and those hospitals are smaller and less likely to have an EEG tech in-house 24/7

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    HIPPA wouldn't protect her if the judge orders her records released....

    But, even being an employee at one of the TOP hospitals in FL, they don't run EEGs unless they can catch a seizure...it is so unlikely, it's unbelievable.


    Edit: Doc told my best friend...I don't remember any of what they said..I dont' even remember being there, really. Best friend is also my co-worker and called the Doc out on the EEG tech. Thank god for best friends who are also co-workers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    Typical protocol in ER when a person is brought in for a seizure is some testing, definitely an EEG. More exhaustive studies to rule out tumors and lesions would most likely be up to the patient after release.
    But because of HIPAA we may never know what testing was done, unless it comes out in her defense.
    Did her family not know about this? I have lost track of who knew what and when they knew it.


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    I have been to the hospital five times for my seizures. Every time they have done a cat scan or MRI. I've had EKG's,chest x-rays and a full blood work up most times. However, they have never done an EEG at the time I was brought in. I have had them done, but I always had to make an appointment for one, and it was always a long wait.


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    Quote Originally Posted by natsound View Post
    Thanks for that information. My question is... is it common to "froth at the mouth" during one isolated seizure? I'm curious, because when JG further elaborated about KC's seizure, he said she was frothing at the mouth. This was after a night of heavy drinking, he said. I was a little skeptical about that.
    It could be it appeared to be "frothing" as some do that in a grand mal seizure. Many just have a lot of saliva, but they tend to somewhat suck it back and forth with their breath in the mouth, thus giving off the "bubbles" appearance.

    My guess is since he said they drank for many hours straight and she was a very heavy drinker, she was having a seizure coming off the alcohol. There could have been some drugs involved also. Seizures are very common if someone is coming off Valium or Xanex or Ambiem. They are actually more dangerous to come off of than alcohol after even short periods of use.

    It also could have been X, cocaine, meth, etc. Any of the uppers will cause seizures if overdosed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    Typical protocol in ER when a person is brought in for a seizure is some testing, definitely an EEG. More exhaustive studies to rule out tumors and lesions would most likely be up to the patient after release.
    But because of HIPAA we may never know what testing was done, unless it comes out in her defense.
    The trauma center in my area does not order EEGs for seizure patients. They usually treat the patient to stop the seizures if they are in Status epilepticus and if not just observe until the seizure stops.

    HIPAA has no effect on court orders. I am sure they got a warrant for the medical information.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TURBOTHINK View Post
    The trauma center in my area does not order EEGs for seizure patients. They usually treat the patient to stop the seizures if they are in Status epilepticus and if not just observe until the seizure stops.

    HIPAA has no effect on court orders. I am sure they got a warrant for the medical information.
    Oh that is interesting, I'll be more careful about talking in such absolutes.
    SE is a whole new ballgame as that is life threatening.
    When I was referring to HIPAA, I meant we wouldn't be reading it in the newspaper , unless the defense were to reveal it. I don't think the prosecution would get the records and then release them to the press, do you?

    I totally agree that the EEG's are a waste of time because unless they are sleep deprived EEG's it is rare to catch.
    We don't take my son to the hospital for his seizures we just wait it out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    Oh that is interesting, I'll be more careful about talking in such absolutes.
    SE is a whole new ballgame as that is life threatening.
    When I was referring to HIPAA, I meant we wouldn't be reading it in the newspaper , unless the defense were to reveal it. I don't think the prosecution would get the records and then release them to the press, do you?

    I totally agree that the EEG's are a waste of time because unless they are sleep deprived EEG's it is rare to catch.
    We don't take my son to the hospital for his seizures we just wait it out.
    Status epilepticus is life threatening, but a regular seizure isn't as you well know. Sometimes they do some IV Valium and maybe some pheno barb, but most times they just wait for them to end unless there are other symptoms or this is a new occurrence. They always run a blood alcohol and a drug screen though, because many times they are drug related in young people.

    I don't think medical records will be released until trial. I don't know if they are covered under FOIA or not. If they are they would have to be asked for specifically.


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