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    Quote Originally Posted by crucibelle View Post
    I am interested in one of the search results that was mentioned in court the other day... among all of KC's searches for chloroform, she also supposedly searched for the term "HYPOVOLEMIA". Is that what Lee had when he was younger? I know he had some type of blood disorder due to Accutane, but I'm not sure what it was. I looked hypovolemia up on wikipedia, and it is some sort of blood disorder. In any case, why in the world would KC be looking this up?
    Interesting-- I looked it up too and this description stood out, especially since some folks attribute the looks of her forehead to temporal wasting/dehydration. Perhaps this is her act as it can be present in shock.

    Quote: It is thus the intravascular component of volume contraction (or loss of blood volume due to things such as hemorrhaging or dehydration), but, as it also is the most essential one, hypovolemia and volume contraction are sometimes used synonymously.

    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypovolemia"]Hypovolemia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


    eta: Idk, she sure drinks water at the defense table. Maybe it was about Caylee's symptoms...


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    Quote Originally Posted by crucibelle View Post
    I am interested in one of the search results that was mentioned in court the other day... among all of KC's searches for chloroform, she also supposedly searched for the term "HYPOVOLEMIA". Is that what Lee had when he was younger? I know he had some type of blood disorder due to Accutane, but I'm not sure what it was. I looked hypovolemia up on wikipedia, and it is some sort of blood disorder. In any case, why in the world would KC be looking this up?
    Hypovolemia is technically the term used for low blood volume. We usually see this term used in the emergency medical field when someone suffers a substantial amount of blood loss due to either trauma (i.e. gunshot, stab wounds, car accidents etc) or by an internal medical problem (ruptured ectopic pregnancy or gastrointestinal bleeding). The person will then go into a state in which we called Hypovolemic shock( dangerously low blood pressure, rapid heart rate) field treatment requires immediately treating the patient with IV fluids (Lactated Ringers or Normal Saline solution) and rapid transport to the hospital.

    Hospital treatment would include stopping the source of the blood loss and replacing the blood.

    Why KC would be looking this up, who knows???


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    Quote Originally Posted by crucibelle View Post
    I am interested in one of the search results that was mentioned in court the other day... among all of KC's searches for chloroform, she also supposedly searched for the term "HYPOVOLEMIA". Is that what Lee had when he was younger? I know he had some type of blood disorder due to Accutane, but I'm not sure what it was. I looked hypovolemia up on wikipedia, and it is some sort of blood disorder. In any case, why in the world would KC be looking this up?

    I don't know about Lee Anthony's Accutane-related issues and how this search term might relate, but...

    Hypovolemia is essentially low blood/plasma volume, which can be fatal if there's too little blood being pumped to vital organs. I understand that another term searched around the same time was "ruptured spleen". Internal bleeding (such as you'd experience with a ruptured spleen) can cause Hypovolemia, which can lead to death. For whatever this info is worth.

    What Casey was trying to weave together in her mind in anyones guess...


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    Here's what Cindy said about the Accutane thing.. in one of her interviews with LE, I believe:

    Q Okay. You also mentioned that when Lee was
    about 15, he had -- he started to have some issues?
    A Yes.
    Q That would be depression?

    A Yes. He had an adverse reaction to Accutane,
    the medicine for acne.
    Q O k a y .

    A And he went into what they call ITP, where
    his platelets went from normal down to 13,000, which
    was extremely dangerous. At any time my son could have
    died through that time. And your normal is supposed to
    be 150,000, and he went down to 13,000 within a month.
    And that was abnormal.

    And he had to be in the hospital and have
    treatment for that and was on restriction for a yearand-
    a-half where he could not drive, participate in
    sports, and, you know, had to take precautions because
    he could bleed out at any time. If he would have been
    hit in the head, he could have died. And my son was
    playing basketball and volleyball at the time that we
    had noted that.

    And when someone tells you you're son could
    die in a car accident or anything because they could
    hemorrhage out, you kind of -- and you hit that with a
    15-year-old, going to be 16, getting ready to get his
    license, kind of hard to take.
    So, obviously "hypovolemia" is something different. Thanks for the info, everyone. I still think it is very odd for KC to be looking that up... the ruptured spleen thing, too.. strange!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Studio_Medic View Post
    Hypovolemia is technically the term used for low blood volume. We usually see this term used in the emergency medical field when someone suffers a substantial amount of blood loss due to either trauma (i.e. gunshot, stab wounds, car accidents etc) or by an internal medical problem (ruptured ectopic pregnancy or gastrointestinal bleeding). The person will then go into a state in which we called Hypovolemic shock( dangerously low blood pressure, rapid heart rate) field treatment requires immediately treating the patient with IV fluids (Lactated Ringers or Normal Saline solution) and rapid transport to the hospital.

    Hospital treatment would include stopping the source of the blood loss and replacing the blood.

    Why KC would be looking this up, who knows???
    What would happen to a patient with a ruptured meningeal (sp?) artery? Need to see if an "accident" might cause a rupture to that artery resulting in hypovolemia.... (ETA: Or at least to see if a search for certain terms might create this sort of a computer forensic path through one's hard drive. Oh dear.)
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    Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP)

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/idi...urpura/DS00844
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    Did I miss it, I did not hear them ask Lee if he searched on the computer for any of those things?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ynotdivein View Post
    What would happen to a patient with a ruptured meningeal (sp?) artery? Need to see if an "accident" might cause a rupture to that artery resulting in hypovolemia.... (ETA: Or at least to see if a search for certain terms might create this sort of a computer forensic path through one's hard drive. Oh dear.)
    Ruptured meningeal arteries are normally seen in NON- TRAUMATIC aneurysms. However, because the meningeal artery is located under the thinnest portion of the skull; it is highly susceptible to trauma (i.e. a blow to the head). This usually will result in a epidural hematoma.

    An epidural hematoma is when a buildup of blood occurs between the dura mater (the tough outer membrane of the brain) and the skull. The most common cause of an epidural hematoma is TRAUMA. Problem is: Epidural hematoma's do not present themselves until hours or days later......Usually the patient will only complain of a headache and most of the time refuse medical treatment. Hypovolemia would not be a presenting sign.

    Ruptured spleen can cause significant blood loss, but does not always result in immediate blood loss. In one case of mine, I had a patient (truck driver) who fell off his truck during his shift. He didn't think anything of it until hours later after completing his route to seek treatment. Well long and behold he had a ruptured spleen and required emergency surgery. So ruptured spleen would not cause immediate death.

    Who really knows "who" was looking up what on the computer. Has it been determined that CA was NOT doing some of these searches? I know she is a nurse and just as a paramedic (we) must complete a certain amount of CEU's (continuing education units) every year. A lot of the time we are required to watch countless hours of videos relating to our field. Plus if IIRC correctly CA was no longer working with patients, but more in a managerial type of setting. So I see where it would be completely logical for her to look up certain search terms in regards to completing her CEU's.

    I know in relation to my line of work, I used to teach classes on trauma and have made numerous Power Point presentations relating to trauma, spinal injuries, abdominal trauma, head injuries, neck injuries etc. I have Googled everything from hangings using numerous household items, gunshot wounds using different caliber guns, burns from chemicals to thermal etc....

    Lord help me if anyone goes missing in my family and the FBI searches my computers........


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabrina2011 View Post
    Did I miss it, I did not hear them ask Lee if he searched on the computer for any of those things?
    I don't think they asked him about those specific things (not yet, anyhow), but they DID ask him if he'd ever done any searches on the Anthony home computer, and he said "yes", but those were done in July -- and done to try to help find Caylee.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Studio_Medic View Post
    Ruptured meningeal arteries are normally seen in NON- TRAUMATIC aneurysms. However, because the meningeal artery is located under the thinnest portion of the skull; it is highly susceptible to trauma (i.e. a blow to the head). This usually will result in a epidural hematoma.

    An epidural hematoma is when a buildup of blood occurs between the dura mater (the tough outer membrane of the brain) and the skull. The most common cause of an epidural hematoma is TRAUMA. Problem is: Epidural hematoma's do not present themselves until hours or days later......Usually the patient will only complain of a headache and most of the time refuse medical treatment. Hypovolemia would not be a presenting sign.

    Ruptured spleen can cause significant blood loss, but does not always result in immediate blood loss. In one case of mine, I had a patient (truck driver) who fell off his truck during his shift. He didn't think anything of it until hours later after completing his route to seek treatment. Well long and behold he had a ruptured spleen and required emergency surgery. So ruptured spleen would not cause immediate death.

    Who really knows "who" was looking up what on the computer. Has it been determined that CA was NOT doing some of these searches? I know she is a nurse and just as a paramedic (we) must complete a certain amount of CEU's (continuing education units) every year. A lot of the time we are required to watch countless hours of videos relating to our field. Plus if IIRC correctly CA was no longer working with patients, but more in a managerial type of setting. So I see where it would be completely logical for her to look up certain search terms in regards to completing her CEU's.

    I know in relation to my line of work, I used to teach classes on trauma and have made numerous Power Point presentations relating to trauma, spinal injuries, abdominal trauma, head injuries, neck injuries etc. I have Googled everything from hangings using numerous household items, gunshot wounds using different caliber guns, burns from chemicals to thermal etc....

    Lord help me if anyone goes missing in my family and the FBI searches my computers........
    BBM. That's what I was wondering about. Many of those searches seem more like things Cindy would search for, she being a nurse and all. However, I think it has been established that she was at work at those times. That makes me wonder if there is any sort of margin for error in those search/history results.. as in, wrong time, or something like that. And no, I'm not talking about error rates! lol! Far be it from me to question an expert, though; it just all seems very bizarre, like most of this case.


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    Quote Originally Posted by crucibelle View Post
    BBM. That's what I was wondering about. Many of those searches seem more like things Cindy would search for, she being a nurse and all. However, I think it has been established that she was at work at those times. That makes me wonder if there is any sort of margin for error in those search/history results.. as in, wrong time, or something like that. And no, I'm not talking about error rates! lol! Far be it from me to question an expert, though; it just all seems very bizarre, like most of this case.
    I would think they would have to take into consideration errors in time, dates etc. I really don't think they can pinpoint it to an exact time. Heck my last phone bill had me making calls at times I was sleeping and no one else had access to my phone. It wasn't that the phone calls weren't made it was just that the phone company showed the wrong times. Same with my bank, just last Thursday I made a deposit with the TELLER inside the bank and was witnessed making the deposit by the bank manager, yet Friday there is absolutely no record of my deposit! It took until Monday afternoon for the bank to locate my money, Why ? All because of a computer error. So now rather than my deposit being made on Thursday morning, it shows it wasn't made until Monday afternoon.

    I believe the same thing could have happened with the computer searches. However, I would believe if CA was looking up those search terms she would have come forward and said something by now.........


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bathbuddys View Post
    I have always wondered what the signifigance of the shovel search on the computer and why did she borrow it if they had 3 at the house?

    I just don't understand why a shovel?
    A simplistic (possible) answer could be to find a picture of one for the collages she was always making in PhotoBucket and MySpace. When I need a picture of something I'm working on, I search for that item then search images that come up or choose websites that come up to find an image that suits me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crucibelle View Post
    I am interested in one of the search results that was mentioned in court the other day... among all of KC's searches for chloroform, she also supposedly searched for the term "HYPOVOLEMIA". Is that what Lee had when he was younger? I know he had some type of blood disorder due to Accutane, but I'm not sure what it was. I looked hypovolemia up on wikipedia, and it is some sort of blood disorder. In any case, why in the world would KC be looking this up?
    Hypo means low, vol probably volume, emia, blood. So it prob means low blood volume. Could be she wanted to know what happens when there is a lot of blood loss.

    (edit - I see this has already been answered, sorry, as to what it is. WHY, well that's another post.)

    http://www.bettermedicine.com/articl...volemia/causes

    What causes hypovolemia?
    Conditions that cause blood or body fluid loss can cause hypovolemia, as can inadequate fluid intake. If persistent or severe, diarrhea and vomiting can deplete body fluids. Fluids can also be lost as a result of large burns or excessive sweating. Use of diuretics can result in fluid loss by increasing urine output. Blood loss may result from external injury or internal bleeding. Certain pregnancy complications can also cause blood loss leading to hypovolemia.

    Causes of hypovolemia
    A number of conditions may cause hypovolemia, many of which are serious conditions. Examples include:

    •Decreased blood clotting ability
    •Diarrhea or vomiting
    •Excessive sweating (which can result from heat exposure)
    •Extremes of age (infants and the elderly may be unable to take fluids)
    •Kidney diseases resulting in increased urination
    •Placenta previa (placental tissue on top of the cervix) or abruption (early detachment of the placenta)
    •Use of diuretics
    Serious or life-threatening causes of hypovolemia
    Many conditions that cause hypovolemia are serious or life-threatening conditions that should be immediately evaluated in an emergency setting. These include:

    •Ectopic pregnancy (life-threatening pregnancy growing outside the uterus)
    •Internal bleeding (often from the gastrointestinal tract, although it can develop elsewhere)
    •Large burns
    •Ruptured aortic aneurysm (bulging and weakened aortic artery wall that can burst and cause severe hemorrhage) or other vascular abnormalities
    •Serious injury or trauma
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    Quote Originally Posted by Studio_Medic View Post
    I would think they would have to take into consideration errors in time, dates etc. I really don't think they can pinpoint it to an exact time. Heck my last phone bill had me making calls at times I was sleeping and no one else had access to my phone. It wasn't that the phone calls weren't made it was just that the phone company showed the wrong times. Same with my bank, just last Thursday I made a deposit with the TELLER inside the bank and was witnessed making the deposit by the bank manager, yet Friday there is absolutely no record of my deposit! It took until Monday afternoon for the bank to locate my money, Why ? All because of a computer error. So now rather than my deposit being made on Thursday morning, it shows it wasn't made until Monday afternoon.

    I believe the same thing could have happened with the computer searches. However, I would believe if CA was looking up those search terms she would have come forward and said something by now.........
    If the time stamps on the files on the Anthony's computer were in question, they could verify the browsing times with their ISP. They would have left tracks on the routers at the cable company or whoever provides their Internet service. I believe they do have the times nailed down by now, though.
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    Searching for "chloroform" 84 times in one day doesn't even make sense. It's like you have a chimpanzee at the keyboard. You'd think the person would find whatever they are looking for after a few searches.

    Well yes, after 21 searches without getting what you want, of course you will need to search another 63 times.


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