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    Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 25

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    PJ admitted that the children had been drugged

    Kate's strange attitudes

    A strange attitude by Kate, on the day of Madeleine's disappearance was pointed out by Fiona Payne, one of the members of the British group on holiday in P da L.

    FP's witness statement says that Maddie's mother, during the first hours marked by despair and by a feeling close to frustration, several times approached the twins, holding her fingers close to their noses.

    Sean and Amélie were asleep at this time, but Kate seemed to want to confirm that that her youngest children were alive, checking if they were breathing.

    This is very weird. I could TOTALLY understand Kate's concern that the "abductor" might have drugged her twins...Matter of fact, I would even praise her if she would have rushed them to a local hospital to run lab tests to make sure nothing harmful had been injected in them. Isn't it odd that she would check to see if they were still breathing, but not immediately think the abductor might have poisoned them...you know, to keep them quiet or something. How come she was so sure the "abductor" did nothing to harm her other children.

    Not only did she leave her twins alone in the apartment after the "abductor" took one of her children, she didn't have a medical tox screening done to make sure the "abductor" didn't harm them either. She must have been pretty close friends with the "abductor" to trust them so completely. The twins were so knocked out that she felt it nessary to check for their respiration (several times), they never woke in the all the major chaos, but they didn't think once to have them tested for a potentially deadly injectable poison?

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    This is very weird. I could TOTALLY understand Kate's concern that the "abductor" might have drugged her twins...Matter of fact, I would even praise her if she would have rushed them to a local hospital to run lab tests to make sure nothing harmful had been injected in them. Isn't it odd that she would check to see if they were still breathing, but not immediately think the abductor might have poisoned them...you know, to keep them quiet or something. How come she was so sure the "abductor" did nothing to harm her other children.

    Not only did she leave her twins alone in the apartment after the "abductor" took one of her children, she didn't have a medical tox screening done to make sure the "abductor" didn't harm them either. She must have been pretty close friends with the "abductor" to trust them so completely. The twins were so knocked out that she felt it nessary to check for their respiration (several times), they never woke in the all the major chaos, but they didn't think once to have them tested for a potentially deadly injectable poison?
    ..or to worry in case they had been injected using a dirty needle.

    But I think we all know why that was dont we! Gerry mused (we saw it on video) about the twins possibly having been sedated - but didnt get them checked! How anyone can trust the McCanns I have no idea, its so obvious that they cannot be trusted. Seems more than likely that Madeleine died as a result of sedation, all the doctors in on the method, hence all sticking together so solidly.

    But did she wake and have an acciodet or did the sedation make her ill (hence O'Brien and the 'sick child' story - and the clothes change and sheet change stories!)

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    Or to wake them up!!! Isn't that the first thing you would do? Wake them up and ask where is Maddie? I think I would do this, even before I screamed for help from others. At that moment when it began to dawn on me that she was not in the apartment, I would be shaking the other 2 awake and asking where is Maddie? And then I would definitely be taking them both with me if I left the room.

    I don't understand how she could have left them behind. In a panic you don't always do what you think you would do, however in a panic from a missing child would make you want to be doubly sure the other children were there. You would pick them up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    Or to wake them up!!! Isn't that the first thing you would do? Wake them up and ask where is Maddie? I think I would do this, even before I screamed for help from others. At that moment when it began to dawn on me that she was not in the apartment, I would be shaking the other 2 awake and asking where is Maddie? And then I would definitely be taking them both with me if I left the room.

    I don't understand how she could have left them behind. In a panic you don't always do what you think you would do, however in a panic from a missing child would make you want to be doubly sure the other children were there. You would pick them up!

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    Absolutely agree Salem, you would of course waken the other children in an attempt to find out what happened & you certainly would not leave them alone if you thought that one child had been abducted!

    If Madeleine did die from sedation or the repercussions thereof such as an accident, it takes two EXTREMELY callous parents to just dump her little body! Regardless of any personal consequences, I doubt that many parents could be so cruel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    Or to wake them up!!! Isn't that the first thing you would do? Wake them up and ask where is Maddie? I think I would do this, even before I screamed for help from others. At that moment when it began to dawn on me that she was not in the apartment, I would be shaking the other 2 awake and asking where is Maddie? And then I would definitely be taking them both with me if I left the room.

    I don't understand how she could have left them behind. In a panic you don't always do what you think you would do, however in a panic from a missing child would make you want to be doubly sure the other children were there. You would pick them up!

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    Exactly! Not a pass of the fingers under their noses to make sure they are breathing...Good grief. I think it's safe to say that the majority of us would be screaming...What happened to your big sister...???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnaby View Post
    Absolutely agree Salem, you would of course waken the other children in an attempt to find out what happened & you certainly would not leave them alone if you thought that one child had been abducted!

    If Madeleine did die from sedation or the repercussions thereof such as an accident, it takes two EXTREMELY callous parents to just dump her little body! Regardless of any personal consequences, I doubt that many parents could be so cruel!
    Doesn't the fact that rather than wake the twins, she checked their breathing, show how callous she is?

    Doesn't ignoring Maddie's plea to not be left alone show how callous she is?

    Doesn't leaving all 3 of them alone, knowing full well the myriad of accidents they might have, show how callous she is?

    Doesn't leaving the twins in the creche day after day (do you suppose they were scared to be left?) after Maddie's vanishing show how callous she is?

    I could probably come up with some more (feel free) but I think I have made my point.

    She is callous with a capital C and Gerry, who stood by and did nothing, guilty by association, with a capital G!!

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    Wasn't there a leaked photo from those recently revealed photos? Didn't we have a link somewhere to it? I can't find it now!

    I've never understood why the twins weren't wakened. At that age, immediately after the fact, they could have told something.

    Kate left the twins to run back to the restaurant.

    She didn't try to awaken the children to ask where Maddie was, to see if they knew anything, even toddler talk.

    As Tony Bennet has pointed out, there seems to be some line of thinking that the twins weren't there at all at first, but were brought from someone else's room, based on I believe, Charlotte Pennington's account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnaby View Post
    If Madeleine did die from sedation or the repercussions thereof such as an accident, it takes two EXTREMELY callous parents to just dump her little body! Regardless of any personal consequences, I doubt that many parents could be so cruel!
    You're so right Barnaby! I am a mother of three and if something like this happens to me, I would be so depressed and angry with myself that I WILL WILLING GO TO PRISON FOR IT!

    I was thinking guys, since we know Maddie was crying on May 1st and probably "ruined" her parent's dinner with her crying, I wonder if they decided to INCREASE THE DOSE of whatever they were giving her to make sure she sleeps throughout the night and the dose ended up being fatal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texana View Post
    Wasn't there a leaked photo from those recently revealed photos? Didn't we have a link somewhere to it? I can't find it now!

    I've never understood why the twins weren't wakened. At that age, immediately after the fact, they could have told something.

    Kate left the twins to run back to the restaurant.

    She didn't try to awaken the children to ask where Maddie was, to see if they knew anything, even toddler talk.

    As Tony Bennet has pointed out, there seems to be some line of thinking that the twins weren't there at all at first, but were brought from someone else's room, based on I believe, Charlotte Pennington's account.
    Texana, I remember well a report last year that stated that ALL the children of the Mc Canns and the other doctors were kept in ONE APARTMENT, sometimes it was the Mc Cann's apartment and they would rotate. This would make MORE sense, since ONE person could go and check ALL the kids at once.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SleuthMom View Post
    Texana, I remember well a report last year that stated that ALL the children of the Mc Canns and the other doctors were kept in ONE APARTMENT, sometimes it was the Mc Cann's apartment and they would rotate. This would make MORE sense, since ONE person could go and check ALL the kids at once.
    "McCann children 'were not alone in apartment'

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2621809.ece

    (I'm not Texana, but I am a Texan.)

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    Good job Morag! Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colomom View Post
    Doesn't the fact that rather than wake the twins, she checked their breathing, show how callous she is?

    Doesn't ignoring Maddie's plea to not be left alone show how callous she is?

    Doesn't leaving all 3 of them alone, knowing full well the myriad of accidents they might have, show how callous she is?

    Doesn't leaving the twins in the creche day after day (do you suppose they were scared to be left?) after Maddie's vanishing show how callous she is?

    I could probably come up with some more (feel free) but I think I have made my point.

    She is callous with a capital C and Gerry, who stood by and did nothing, guilty by association, with a capital G!!
    Oh colomon I could quote so many more instances of their callousness, I won't bore anyone by citing what has been said before but one that stands out for me is Kate saying that she could sleep so well after the first few nights, I am afraid I would never sleep again if I thought that my child was with paedophiles!
    Sadly most people here like myself will have experienced loss, worry & trauma in life & all too well know that nighttime can be the very worst when one is alone with their thoughts in the dark & this callous cow with a missing baby sleeps like a log?? DUH!!

    Quote Originally Posted by SleuthMom View Post
    You're so right Barnaby! I am a mother of three and if something like this happens to me, I would be so depressed and angry with myself that I WILL WILLING GO TO PRISON FOR IT!

    I was thinking guys, since we know Maddie was crying on May 1st and probably "ruined" her parent's dinner with her crying, I wonder if they decided to INCREASE THE DOSE of whatever they were giving her to make sure she sleeps throughout the night and the dose ended up being fatal?
    Too right Sleuthmom, most parents would at least have the decency to put their hands up if only to give their child an appropriate burial!

    I don't think that death was totally due to sedation (dying in her sleep) as I do trust the findings of the dogs & there was blood detected, so either a drug induced accident or a more violent attack!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morag View Post
    "McCann children 'were not alone in apartment'

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2621809.ece

    (I'm not Texana, but I am a Texan.)
    Thanks for this article link, Morag. Not to change the subject, but it was just a few days ago that everyone was talking about the email from the FSS. Here is a snip from this article:

    "A source at the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, which carried out the tests on behalf of the Portuguese authorities, is reported to have said that the results showed police were right to make the couple arguidos, or official suspects."

    So there was someone at the FSS that thought the forensics would be positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    Thanks for this article link, Morag. Not to change the subject, but it was just a few days ago that everyone was talking about the email from the FSS. Here is a snip from this article:

    "A source at the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, which carried out the tests on behalf of the Portuguese authorities, is reported to have said that the results showed police were right to make the couple arguidos, or official suspects."

    So there was someone at the FSS that thought the forensics would be positive.

    Salem
    Thanks, Salem, this is what I've thought all along--that not everyone at the lab agreed--

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