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    KS - Raylynn & Kyler Gardner, both 3, die in hot car, Topeka, 24 Aug 2008

    Investigators say twin 3-year-olds died after being left inside a car in northeastern Kansas for more than two hours.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409721,00.html

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    Mother reports toddlers missing; deputies find them 2Ĺ hours later
    http://cjonline.com/stories/082508/loc_322553167.shtml
    This is either extreme negligence or murder.

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    I'm not sure why, but my hinky meter is going off, loudly.

    The children were last seen at 1:00 p.m. Mom called authorities at 1:40 p.m. Kids were found at 3:somthing. 77 degrees outside. Deputy said it was "very hot" inside the car.

    Everything sounds as if the mother acted appropriately but something seems off here. If you notice the 3-yr olds missing at 1:00 would you wait 40 minutes to call police? I think you might if others are helping you search? When it is 77 degrees outside, would a child die in a car in a matter of 2 to 2.5 hours? Maybe if the 77 degrees was due to wind and the sun remained steady and hot.

    The car was unlocked. Could a three year old open the door? I think yes! Maybe this is what is bugging me. Most three years can undo their seatbelts and open the car door, if it is not locked. Why didn't these babies get out when it was uncomfortable? It says the little girl died at the scene and the boy was taken to the hospital and pronounced dead there.

    Would the heat overcome them so fast they wouldn't think to open the door and get out?

    Prayers to these babies and those who love them,

    Salem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    I'm not sure why, but my hinky meter is going off, loudly.

    The children were last seen at 1:00 p.m. Mom called authorities at 1:40 p.m. Kids were found at 3:somthing. 77 degrees outside. Deputy said it was "very hot" inside the car.

    Everything sounds as if the mother acted appropriately but something seems off here. If you notice the 3-yr olds missing at 1:00 would you wait 40 minutes to call police? I think you might if others are helping you search? When it is 77 degrees outside, would a child die in a car in a matter of 2 to 2.5 hours? Maybe if the 77 degrees was due to wind and the sun remained steady and hot.

    The car was unlocked. Could a three year old open the door? I think yes! Maybe this is what is bugging me. Most three years can undo their seatbelts and open the car door, if it is not locked. Why didn't these babies get out when it was uncomfortable? It says the little girl died at the scene and the boy was taken to the hospital and pronounced dead there.

    Would the heat overcome them so fast they wouldn't think to open the door and get out?

    Prayers to these babies and those who love them,

    Salem
    Im with Salem, and you know, there are some days I hate coming on here because of stories like this- I would say in my mind, one in the front and one in back spells one DID get out of the car seat, and the door was locked. How do you lose your 3 year olds (both) in the driveway. Hinky on high on this one.

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    I think one natural reaction for a child in this situation is to fall asleep. On the other hand, a baby who went through this was described the other day in the news as having clenched hands, frothing mouth, and appearing to have experienced great distress.

    I know those details are themselves distressing, but for informative value....

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    I'm so sick of this happening you guys....I can't even read these articles anymore! They all seem to say the same things....it just makes me so darn angry!

    WHERE IS CAYLEE???

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    I totally agree with Texasgirl, these stories are getting old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    I'm not sure why, but my hinky meter is going off, loudly.

    The children were last seen at 1:00 p.m. Mom called authorities at 1:40 p.m. Kids were found at 3:somthing. 77 degrees outside. Deputy said it was "very hot" inside the car.

    Everything sounds as if the mother acted appropriately but something seems off here. If you notice the 3-yr olds missing at 1:00 would you wait 40 minutes to call police? I think you might if others are helping you search? When it is 77 degrees outside, would a child die in a car in a matter of 2 to 2.5 hours? Maybe if the 77 degrees was due to wind and the sun remained steady and hot.

    The car was unlocked. Could a three year old open the door? I think yes! Maybe this is what is bugging me. Most three years can undo their seatbelts and open the car door, if it is not locked. Why didn't these babies get out when it was uncomfortable? It says the little girl died at the scene and the boy was taken to the hospital and pronounced dead there.

    Would the heat overcome them so fast they wouldn't think to open the door and get out?

    Prayers to these babies and those who love them,

    Salem

    Maybe they had buckled themselves into their car seats. One time my two year old neice got into the car and buckled herself into her car seat. She couldn't unbuckle the car seat. Thank God, we found her in time. Until that time I had never thought about kids opening the car door and getting inside the car. After that time, I always keep my car doors locked.

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    I think what bothers me the most about these stories, is that there was a time, when something like this was considered a tragic accident, and there were not a lot of cases. But for the last few years, there have been dozens of cases every summer. I know that here in Texas, if you read the newspaper or watch the news, there is NO WAY to miss these stories.

    So I guess what bothers me is that I feel like these kinds of deaths are way beyond the point of being just an accident anymore. How can parents see these stories every day, and not be aware of the danger?
    While I feel horrible for any parent who simply had a lot on their mind, and forgot their child was still in the car, and has now lost their child over this, it's time for parents to start making some changes in how they go about their daily business. I don't care what it takes. MAKE A HABIT out of checking the car every time you get out of it. Do head counts, WHATEVER. This is a mistake that HAS TO stop being made.
    There is always HOPE!!!

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    When my son was 3 he took the keys that my BF had left near the diaper bag, ran out the front door, got into the car and put the correct key in the ignition. My friend was a school administrator and must have had 15 or more keys on the ring. He did this as we followed him out of the house.

    Kids are quick. My heart goes out to this family and the LEO who had spent over 2 hours searching.
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    I'm curious if they'll find that the children were given any sedatives before being in the car.

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    It's being reported that this was not twins. The little girl was born September 2004 and the little boy in August 2005. Irish twins my mom calls them. How incredibly sad. However, I haven't seen the name of the children or the parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tapu View Post
    I think one natural reaction for a child in this situation is to fall asleep. On the other hand, a baby who went through this was described the other day in the news as having clenched hands, frothing mouth, and appearing to have experienced great distress.

    I know those details are themselves distressing, but for informative value....
    I read this article also and I think the information contributes to my distrusting what happened here. If the car was truely unlocked, the children would have opened the door when they became uncomfortable. Three year olds can open doors. They might not necessarily think "I have to get out of here" but they would be uncomfortabe enough to try to move away from the source or change their surroundings.

    Salem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Filly View Post
    It's being reported that this was not twins. The little girl was born September 2004 and the little boy in August 2005. Irish twins my mom calls them. How incredibly sad. However, I haven't seen the name of the children or the parents.
    If the little girl was born Sept 2004, then she is almost four years old. No way she couldn't have gotten out of that car had she wanted too. So.... why wouldn't she want to? That just raises my meter higher .

    I'll be watching for updates on this one.

    Filly - we have 2 of these cases going on. A 5 and 2 year old in Colorado and then these maybe 3-year old twins here in Kansas. Do you have a link for the article that talks about the child's birthday?

    Thanks,

    Salem
    Last edited by Salem; 08-25-2008 at 03:57 PM. Reason: Add Question for Filly

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    http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/505477.html

    FYI, the discovered they were not twins.


    A spokesman for the Shawnee County Sheriff's Department, Sgt. Jay Simecka, said officials initially thought the children were twins, but after checking birth records they discovered that the girl was born Sept. 29, 2004, and her brother Aug. 2, 2005. No other details were immediately available.
    Very sad.

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